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January 27th 07, 09:56 PM
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Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...
To Whom It May Concern:
Let us take a little bit better look at this “unwritten policy” here, see if we can make any logical analysis about it—get the “feel” for it, if you will. First, there are quite a bit of threads which make up the rec.radio.amateur.??? “family of threads”: rec.radio.amateur.antenna rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc rec.radio.amateur.dx rec.radio.amateur.equipment rec.radio.amateur.homebrew rec.radio.amateur rec.radio.amateur.misc rec.radio.amateur.packet Do you see one which is close to say “rec.radio.amateur.new-licensees?” Or, “rec.radio.amateur.license .help?” "rec.radio.amateur.recruitment?" No, you will not find a one. Sorry thing … So, let us examine the existing threads, do any seem to be active in new recruitment/licence help? No, you don’t see much of that either. OK. So, examine them again, see may of these threads engaged in dialog about how to recruit and spark interest in potential-new licensees? No, not much of that either … Hmmm, so what do we see? We see a bunch of protective, selfish, self-serving individuals out to protect their “turf!” Now, why don’t we have more “new-blood” here? What, speak up, I can’t seem to hear you? Well, I’ll make one exception, Dee, she has expressed some desire, willing to attempt and willingness towards the above. What we really have is a bunch of these "high-mighty-self-centered-jerks" attempting to get their new club house built and escape there firmly shutting the door behind them, so as to BAR any of the above from occurring. Or, as Cecil would say, SWEET! And you doubt Len? Really? Regards, JS |
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January 28th 07, 09:03 PM
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From: John Smith I on Sat, 27 Jan 2007
13:56:45 -0800 To Whom It May Concern: Ackshully, it don't concern any of the newsgroup's gods of radio. They are above such petty annoyances from low-lifes not worshippers of the Great God of Morse. But, on the sheer face of what you wrote RIGHT ON! Let us take a little bit better look at this "unwritten policy" here, see if we can make any logical analysis about it-get the "feel" for it, if you will. First, there are quite a bit of threads which make up the rec.radio.amateur.??? "family of threads": rec.radio.amateur.antenna rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc rec.radio.amateur.dx rec.radio.amateur.equipment rec.radio.amateur.homebrew rec.radio.amateur rec.radio.amateur.misc rec.radio.amateur.packet Do you see one which is close to say "rec.radio.amateur.new-licensees?" Or, "rec.radio.amateur.license .help?" "rec.radio.amateur.recruitment?" No, you will not find a one. Sorry thing ... The stock answer is "That's the ARRL's Job!" "Just go to the ARRL website and order 'Now You're Talking'!" The "cod-liver oil" prescription for newbies. According to what nearly all olde-tymers in here say, they are VEs and "elmer" (teach) newbies "all the time." Strange, but, according to law, VEs only proctor examinations. Do they also break the law when "teaching" during testing time? Now a FEW may actually undertake a personal note to the "enthused." Oddly enough, the contents, phraseology, and general tone is standard boilerplate from, guess who, ARRL. Believe it or not, I've gotten a couple of those. Just a dozen years ago. That will be followed by a personal story of "being a teen- ager, collecting bus tokens and shoe leather to walk to the nearest FCC Field Office and tremble before the stern, unforgiving eyes of the FCC Agent while, in flop sweat, they gave PhD-dissertation Answers to "the hardest thing they did in their lives." Then walked back barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways. Then, to complete the troika, there is the stern admonission to "learn all you can" or "it's the start of a lifetime of learning" or "complete this and your friends and neighbors will come over and admire your (great) intellectual reward." Variations on the above abound but are the essence of the standard singing to a chorus of their peers. [high-fives all around] In here there is scant mention of radio being "fun" in and of itself. One MUST work DX on HF with CW. Doing less is FAILURE. Then there's the "Work Ethic" on morse code cognition: "One MUST constantly work, work, work to be good, work at it like nothing else in life!" and other assorted locker-room halftime shouting and hollering. "Failure is not an option!" "One MUST MUST MUST know morse!!!" "You aren't a 'good ham' if you don't!" What of those than can't "get" the code? Shun them! They are worthless beings, unfit to inhabit the same earth as the Mighty Macho Morsemen! "Stupid!" "Can't demonstrate their willingness to "work!" What of those (like me) who don't CARE to "do code?" Ah, that has been the MMM's quandry. They do NOT know how to handle such people...especially those who were active in REAL radio long before their first license. Their thoughts have always used themselves as role models, being suitably imprinted as teenagers and striving ever since to be professional amateurs! The closest they've come to "handling" such rebellious heathen is to play-act a mother (or, if Catholic, a Nun) and condescendingly admonish a "child" who has misbehaved! [Miccolis' conscious or unconscious manner] "Naughty, naughty, momma spank!" :-( So, let us examine the existing threads, do any seem to be active in new recruitment/licence help? No, you don't see much of that either. Oh, "that's the job of the ARRL!" Or of religious ministries that send their four-year-olds (who are always genius-precocious and have full adult English comprehension) for "instant" license test completion. [in 1998] Mush-minded macho middle-school misfits will always growl (in pubertic tenor tones) "Wassa matta, ya too DUMB ta pass a test?!?" Those are always unidentifiable anony- mousies hiding behind curious handles such as "Cmdr Buzz Corey" (a long-defunct failed TV character from American black-and-white TV of long-ago days). Those can be shined off, of course, but those are likely to have that adolescent atty-tood into well past middle age. What tickles me are those "personal experiences" during open-to-the-public events like Field Day. By their description civilians "always cluster around hams doing beeping morse, naturally showing an 'interest' in morse code." Ahem, those of the public crowd around the STRANGE, wondering whatinhell it is, and hardly ever give a damn about it later. Amateur morsemen do a LOT of such morse myth manufacturing. OK. So, examine them again, see may of these threads engaged in dialog about how to recruit and spark interest in potential-new licensees? No, not much of that either ... Well, as you've mentioned, Dee has paid lip service to that, but, much earlier, Hans Brakob said much more about his involvement. Hans quit trying to post in here, noise level way too high. Can't say I blame him. He is now on the MODERATOR list. Woe be unto some of the arrogant, posturing, self-centered self-appointed-gods who have crossed him in the past in here... cue Cranky Spanky "But, Len, I've had many a civil discussion with Hans...blah, blah, blah Hmmm, so what do we see? We see a bunch of protective, selfish, self-serving individuals out to protect their "turf!" Territorial Imperative! Yes, built into the human psyche. Ya know, CB on "11 meters" was created in 1958. That's 49 years ago and the HATRED of "mere civilians" occupying their precious little sliver of spectrum (largely unused at the time) knew no bounds. Especially so when there was NO CODE TEST of those (bottom-feeding river-slime civlians) to use it! That bigotry remained to rot their souls and for them to pass it on to later generations to rot the souls of those. POSSESSIVENESS! It was "theirs!" Geez. Now, why don't we have more "new-blood" here? What, speak up, I can't seem to hear you? Well, there was ONE for sure. Val Germann in Missouri. A darling of Dick Carroll, SK, then W0EX. Germann said ALL the right code words, worshipped the same code gods, was praised and honored, etc. Carroll was still living when Germann opted out. According to Brian Burke, Germann is still a Technician class, hasn't shown up in here since he bailed. Here's to "TURF:" May it always be trod. By ANYONE. Regardez silverplate, LA |
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January 28th 07, 09:22 PM
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February 5th 07, 11:12 PM
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From: John Smith I on Sat, 27 Jan 2007
13:56:45 -0800 ---Following was posted about two weeks ago and deserves highlighting--- ================================================== ==================== To Whom It May Concern: Let us take a little bit better look at this "unwritten policy" here, see if we can make any logical analysis about it-get the "feel" for it, if you will. First, there are quite a bit of threads which make up the rec.radio.amateur.??? "family of threads": rec.radio.amateur.antenna rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc rec.radio.amateur.dx rec.radio.amateur.equipment rec.radio.amateur.homebrew rec.radio.amateur rec.radio.amateur.misc rec.radio.amateur.packet Do you see one which is close to say "rec.radio.amateur.new- licensees?" Or, "rec.radio.amateur.license .help?" "rec.radio.amateur.recruitment?" No, you will not find a one. Sorry thing ... So, let us examine the existing threads, do any seem to be active in new recruitment/licence help? No, you don't see much of that either. OK. So, examine them again, see may of these threads engaged in dialog about how to recruit and spark interest in potential-new licensees? No, not much of that either ... Hmmm, so what do we see? We see a bunch of protective, selfish, self-serving individuals out to protect their "turf!" Now, why don't we have more "new-blood" here? What, speak up, I can't seem to hear you? Well, I'll make one exception, Dee, she has expressed some desire, willing to attempt and willingness towards the above. What we really have is a bunch of these "high-mighty-self-centered-jerks" attempting to get their new club house built and escape there firmly shutting the door behind them, so as to BAR any of the above from occurring. ================================================== ============ As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here. With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars," all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old habits of putting themselves on their self-built pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as They." That's the self-serving selfishness John speaks of. The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s. The year 2007 is over seven decades from that. Society and technology has changed remarkably from that old time. Most of these "old regulars" love to heap abuse on me, a person who has been IN "radio" since 1952 but has "failed" to get an amateur radio license. [my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol] Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long before. Doesn't faze me. I'm still undecided on whether or not to take advantage of the NO-CODE-TEST regulations coming up. Of what advantage would it be? For me or anyone not licensed as an amateur? Our society is fully engaged in using "radio" in many (and remarkable) ways, usually without any need for an amateur license. What "need" is it? Belonging to an "exclusive community?" Dozens of ways to do that anywhere in this country. To belong to a "proud heritage" of pioneers? Sorry, but the vast majority of actual radio pioneering was done by the professionals, the entrepreneurs, the academics, the folks in the electronics industry. Perhaps to be able to "sign" an amateur station call sign behind their name? That's a misuse of honors, a copy-catting of pretend significance, of puffing out enlarged egos. Passing any amateur radio test is NOT any sort of academic achievement. If you can't get into the electronics industry or academia, then the Masons, Shriners, Elks or Moose or similar fraternal orders can satisfy "belonging to a 'proud tradition of fraternalism'" and they probably have a nice bar in their local hang-out. If you happen to just LIKE radio-electronics then it is best NOT ever to mention that; olde-tymers don't want to hear "fun" expressed unless it is to THEIR "standards" of having fun. |
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February 6th 07, 07:34 PM
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From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT
wrote: As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here. With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars," all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old habits of putting themselves on their self-built pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as They." ...except that your pronouncement isn't true. Incorrect, faulty, mistaken. Your whole reply is a REAFFIRMATION of what I wrote. :-) There are precious few potential radio amateurs appearing here. Incorrect, faulty, mistaken...except for "precious." The standout in here was Val Germann of Missouri, making "precious" noises about morse code. Germann has yet to upgrade from Tech. "Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds who each got an amateur radio license in 1998. You have haunted this newsgroup for over a decade without bothering to take an amateur radio licensing exam, much less to pass one. A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio. No "license" is needed to either read or post in a newsgroup. You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed for anything. You aren't a new amateur radio op and you aren't likely to become one. I haven't been a "new" radio operator since 1953. I was granted a COMMERCIAL radio operator license 50 years ago...it is still on record although the FCC modified all three Radiotelephone Operator classes into on General class about 1985. Look it up in the FCC ULS if you must. You cannot foretell the future. No human has proven to be prescient. What you blurt out is nothing but a rude and insulting remark. Your posting style is full of insults and rudeness. Incorrect. I am direct, sometimes terse, and do not back down from rude, insulting control-freaks who love not radio but just to shove others around. As you have found, you reap what you sow. The only thing I've sown is some grass seed. That came up nicely. The California Pocket Gophers in this neighbor- hood attempted to eat it from below. They were gassed. The only "sow" encountered in the last decade have been some transgendered porcine types who thought they were gods of radio and attempted pushing many of us NCTA around. That's the self-serving selfishness John speaks of. You aren't a licensed radio amateur. Quite true. I am a LICENSED COMMERCIAL (professional) radio operator. The FCC said I was. Everyone who does not have an amateur radio license is not licensed in the amateur radio service. Of course. Obvious. You are being very redundant. As well as rotund. Going in circles, nowhere. Your posts are certainly self-serving. No. My computer(s) have no AI capability. They won't serve me anything. All they do is act like computers. I've never heard of self-serving selfishness. That was a FIGURE OF SPEECH, Herr Pedant. Everytime I use a figure of speech, you pedant in your pants. The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s. ...while you use the same, tired Stephen Wright jokes over and over. I do not know of this "Stephen Wright." For what it is worth, I am also a paid joke writer selling only ORIGINAL material. Would you like to see my AFTRA card? Your boast of getting that "Extra right out of the box" is itself seven years old. Your first post to this newsgroup took place over ten years ago. Irrelevant. I did not "boast" anything. That is your FABRICATION. My first post in any computer-modem venue took place in the first week of December, 1984. That was 22 years ago (and a fraction). In the period of 7 years, one can conceive a child, teach it all about morse code and English language comprehension sufficient to score correct written answers on an amateur radio test, get their picture published by the ARRL, then enter kindergarten. Have you done this? Has Miccolis done this? Have you EVER treated a human being in a friendly manner without ordering them around? There is "precious" little evidence of that in here...other than with a few like- minded morse-inflated ego types. You failed to mention your behavior here--the behavior which allows you to heap abuse on others without expecting it in return. Incorrect, Mistaken, False. You do not understand true debate and the exchange of opinions. You don't because you've never attempted to do that. What you EXPECT is gratuitous "congratulations" and the mistaken notion of innate "respect" you think is owed you...just because you once passed the highest-rate morse code exam and some extra questions. I am quite used to your type of personality, one of the self-inflated ego-driven variety. I've been immersed in social interaction with your kind all of my adult life. I've survived none the worse for wear...yet you are the bitter fabricator, the sore loser personified over a very recent federal agency decision and ruling. In regard to your failure to achieve an amateur radio license, you declared an interest in amateur radio spanning decades. Incorrect, Mistaken, Faulty. YOU fabricated some specialized "interest" out of my (several) statements expressing an interest in radio-electronics. I've explained of how my interest in radio came about as an adult: A fortuitous assignment to a large HF communications station while in the US Army. None of that involved "amateur radio." You've posted to an amateur radio interest newsgroup for better than a decade. I've written and edited in an amateur radio magazine over a decade before that. I've written letters on the advocacy of eliminating the morse code test. My advocacy in this newsgroup has been to eliminate the code test for an amateur radio license. That was stated out in the open in here during that whole decade. I have several friends who have been licensed radio amateurs for much longer than a decade, much longer than several decades. You've boasted that you would obtain the highest class U.S. amateur radio license "right out of the box" in a statement made seven years ago. I have not "BOASTED." That is your fabrication. I made a statement that I "could" based on the amateur radio written tests of that time. If all you have to attempt discrediting me is some FABRICATIONS, then Have you acted on obtaining that or any amateur radio license? I am not an actor and don't play one on TV. I've only done voice-overs. Would you like to see my AFTRA card? :-) [my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol] Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long before. Doesn't faze me. Your commercial First Phone ticket is not an amateur radio license. I've never said it was anything but a "First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio Operator License" to quote the FCC on my first certificate of that, or the colloquial "First 'Phone." This is not a commercial radio newsgroup. Yet all can see the usual subliminal ads for the ARRL in the Believers' evangelical parroting of their words and phrases. [St. Hiram be praised] A commercial license is "cast aside" by the FCC with regard to the obtaining of an amateur radio license. The FCC has NEVER "cast aside" my First 'Phone nor subsequent GROL. It is still in the FCC URL records and still current. The requirements for an amateur radio license are all explained in Title 47 C.F.R. Part 97.501 and following. The requirements for commercial radio operator licenses are given in regulations of Title 47 C.F.R. Part 13. Do you understand these instructions as they have been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint an attorney to assist you. You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license. I've not said anything to the contrary. The LAW is quite clear enough on the issue of civil US radio. You seem confused as to the differences of LAW and your imaginings. YOU are NOT any law official. You are merely officious. I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len: You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands. I am quite able to "operate an amateur radio station." With or without a license. You failed (once more) to make your point that it would be ILLEGAL to operate AS IF one were a licensed radio amateur if no US amateur radio license had been granted to that operator. Any radio operator license does NOT automatically ENABLE anyone to "operate an amateur radio station." ABILITY of anyone to "operate an amateur radio station" has nothing at all to do with licensing. The license is merely an AUTHORIZATION by the US federal government to operate. Do you understand the definition as it has been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint a dictionary to assist you. As they said in the TV control booth, "Take Black." In this case "Black's Law Dictionary." :-) As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to obtain an amateur radio license. No "BOAST" was ever made. I do not "HAUNT." I may PLAY at being a ghost on Halloween...and have. Boooo! I "express an interest" in ALL radio. So much so that I made electronics and radio a life career early- on, despite having an aptitude for (called "talent") and experience IN commercial illustration ("art" where the artist draws/paints/inks things as they really are). Why do YOU attempt constant "haunting" of anyone who does not agree with your mighty claims and boasts of "radio operation" to/from faraway lands? Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be? Why indeed? Have you understood my previous explanations as I've explained them to you? If not, the court will appoint a psychiatrist to assist and analyze you. You could live in a gated community with country club privileges. I live (in the southern house) back-yard to back-yard with a gated community called "Montelena." 44 homes built on 15 acres of what was undeveloped wilderness. That community has NO "country club" there. You could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night spot. ? Is that one of your "requirements" for amateur radio? Strange. Strange. You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups in which it does not participate. Are you suffering from a plague? See medical assistance as soon as possible! Are you suffering from plaque? Seek dental assistance as soon as possible. "Fighting tooth and nail?" No nails were used in the attempt to change a local zoning board ruling, just the democratic processes of the neighborhood getting together (also meeting at the local church), petitioning, then speaking before the zoning commission in public. Neither were "teeth" involved. See your dentist regularly for better oral hygience. That will help keep your dentures in place when you snarl and grimace so much. Especially when you boil over and shout. That SINGLE LOCAL zoning incident resulted in a change from residential single-family homes to residential multiple family (apartments, condos, etc) homes. The gated community you and Miccolis refer to is the "Montelena" I mentioned above...which has only single-family homes now. Nothing whatsoever in that alleged "tooth and nail" debate involved any "radio" subjects, not even TV cable or satellite down- link, certainly not amateur radio antenna installations. Now, if your parroting Miccolis MANUFACTURED moral-ethical "fault" would stop we might all learn to get along. That was NOT a "radio" issue of any kind. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with "radio," either amateur or commercial. Do you understand those explanations as they have been given you? If not the court will appoint a two-by-four to lay across your head at no cost to you. Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups. Tsk. You don't have a ghost of a chance of understanding anything but "professional amateurism," do you? :-) It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio callsign, Len. NO "worrying" was done. :-) A high degree of persistence in advocacy of eliminating the morse code test from license testing done over a period greater than two decades was done. That was just a POLITICAL matter that was finally settled by FCC 06-178 released on 15 Dec 06. Do you understand those explanations as they've been explained to you? If not the court will appoint someone of sound mind to attempt making you understand. You aren't involved. Yes, I was quite involved. FCC 06-178 resulted on the part of thousands who "involved" themselves in making their lawful comments to the US federal government. The code test for any class amateur radio license in the USA will be GONE very soon. Do you understand FCC Reports and Orders as they've been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint a federal attorney to explain the Consitution of the US and basic civics to you. Your plaintive cries over pretend significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but look at what I've done!" I've never worked Frenchmen out of band. I've never had to "synchronize teleprinters" by means of on-off keying morse code in the 1980s. I've never served in the State Department and bragged about BEING "DX." Your continuing PRETENSE at being a near-equivalent god of radio through amateurism has been duly noted. By all readers of this newsgroup. You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by tinkering with electronics. "Tinkering?" :-) A working career that included duties of responsible project engineer is just "tinkering?!?" :-) That isn't amateur radio, but why let that bother you? "Amateur" is a regulatory definition of one who engages in an activity WITHOUT monetary compensation. That is ALSO the definition of a HOBBY. HOBBY. LICENSED amateur radio is what you should have written. LICENSED, AUTHORIZED by the only civil radio regulatory agency of the United States government. Have you under- stood the definitions as they were explained to you? If not, the court may appoint a bailiff to place you under arrest until medical science has come up with an explanation for your serious mental confusion. Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics. ...and you think ALL of them are monetarily compensated if they do not have federal authorization to transmit RF on certain bands with certain modulation modes according to federal regulations? Not so. See? That is your extreme CONFUSION. You mistakenly label "radio amateurs" as ONLY the "licensed." Your EGO has given way to logic and reason...but, then, everyone has already seen that... Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend significance? My end-of-message IDENTIFICATION is merely an E-MAIL FORWARDING ALIAS. See the header "From" line. My professional association (IEEE, 34 years) provides that forwarding alias free of charge to all IEEE Members. That one-way forwarding alias includes some "spam" filtering as an extra "filter" to remove unwanted advertising e-mail. Such a forwarding alias in little different than that used by the ARRL for amateur radio members, conveying no more significance than any other forwarding alias. Do you understand this e-mail forwarding definition as it has been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint yet another dead horse for you to beat upon. [...and the beat goes on...] LA |
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February 6th 07, 07:39 PM
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From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT
wrote: As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here. With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars," all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old habits of putting themselves on their self-built pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as They." ...except that your pronouncement isn't true. Incorrect, faulty, mistaken. Your whole reply is a REAFFIRMATION of what I wrote. :-) There are precious few potential radio amateurs appearing here. Incorrect, faulty, mistaken...except for "precious." The standout in here was Val Germann of Missouri, making "precious" noises about morse code. Germann has yet to upgrade from Tech. "Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds who each got an amateur radio license in 1998. You have haunted this newsgroup for over a decade without bothering to take an amateur radio licensing exam, much less to pass one. A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio. No "license" is needed to either read or post in a newsgroup. You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed for anything. You aren't a new amateur radio op and you aren't likely to become one. I haven't been a "new" radio operator since 1953. I was granted a COMMERCIAL radio operator license 50 years ago...it is still on record although the FCC modified all three Radiotelephone Operator classes into on General class about 1985. Look it up in the FCC ULS if you must. You cannot foretell the future. No human has proven to be prescient. What you blurt out is nothing but a rude and insulting remark. Your posting style is full of insults and rudeness. Incorrect. I am direct, sometimes terse, and do not back down from rude, insulting control-freaks who love not radio but just to shove others around. As you have found, you reap what you sow. The only thing I've sown is some grass seed. That came up nicely. The California Pocket Gophers in this neighbor- hood attempted to eat it from below. They were gassed. The only "sow" encountered in the last decade have been some transgendered porcine types who thought they were gods of radio and attempted pushing many of us NCTA around. That's the self-serving selfishness John speaks of. You aren't a licensed radio amateur. Quite true. I am a LICENSED COMMERCIAL (professional) radio operator. The FCC said I was. Everyone who does not have an amateur radio license is not licensed in the amateur radio service. Of course. Obvious. You are being very redundant. As well as rotund. Going in circles, nowhere. Your posts are certainly self-serving. No. My computer(s) have no AI capability. They won't serve me anything. All they do is act like computers. I've never heard of self-serving selfishness. That was a FIGURE OF SPEECH, Herr Pedant. Everytime I use a figure of speech, you pedant in your pants. The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s. ...while you use the same, tired Stephen Wright jokes over and over. I do not know of this "Stephen Wright." For what it is worth, I am also a paid joke writer selling only ORIGINAL material. Would you like to see my AFTRA card? Your boast of getting that "Extra right out of the box" is itself seven years old. Your first post to this newsgroup took place over ten years ago. Irrelevant. I did not "boast" anything. That is your FABRICATION. My first post in any computer-modem venue took place in the first week of December, 1984. That was 22 years ago (and a fraction). In the period of 7 years, one can conceive a child, teach it all about morse code and English language comprehension sufficient to score correct written answers on an amateur radio test, get their picture published by the ARRL, then enter kindergarten. Have you done this? Has Miccolis done this? Have you EVER treated a human being in a friendly manner without ordering them around? There is "precious" little evidence of that in here...other than with a few like- minded morse-inflated ego types. You failed to mention your behavior here--the behavior which allows you to heap abuse on others without expecting it in return. Incorrect, Mistaken, False. You do not understand true debate and the exchange of opinions. You don't because you've never attempted to do that. What you EXPECT is gratuitous "congratulations" and the mistaken notion of innate "respect" you think is owed you...just because you once passed the highest-rate morse code exam and some extra questions. I am quite used to your type of personality, one of the self-inflated ego-driven variety. I've been immersed in social interaction with your kind all of my adult life. I've survived none the worse for wear...yet you are the bitter fabricator, the sore loser personified over a very recent federal agency decision and ruling. In regard to your failure to achieve an amateur radio license, you declared an interest in amateur radio spanning decades. Incorrect, Mistaken, Faulty. YOU fabricated some specialized "interest" out of my (several) statements expressing an interest in radio-electronics. I've explained of how my interest in radio came about as an adult: A fortuitous assignment to a large HF communications station while in the US Army. None of that involved "amateur radio." You've posted to an amateur radio interest newsgroup for better than a decade. I've written and edited in an amateur radio magazine over a decade before that. I've written letters on the advocacy of eliminating the morse code test. My advocacy in this newsgroup has been to eliminate the code test for an amateur radio license. That was stated out in the open in here during that whole decade. I have several friends who have been licensed radio amateurs for much longer than a decade, much longer than several decades. You've boasted that you would obtain the highest class U.S. amateur radio license "right out of the box" in a statement made seven years ago. I have not "BOASTED." That is your fabrication. I made a statement that I "could" based on the amateur radio written tests of that time. If all you have to attempt discrediting me is some FABRICATIONS, then Have you acted on obtaining that or any amateur radio license? I am not an actor and don't play one on TV. I've only done voice-overs. Would you like to see my AFTRA card? :-) [my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol] Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long before. Doesn't faze me. Your commercial First Phone ticket is not an amateur radio license. I've never said it was anything but a "First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio Operator License" to quote the FCC on my first certificate of that, or the colloquial "First 'Phone." This is not a commercial radio newsgroup. Yet all can see the usual subliminal ads for the ARRL in the Believers' evangelical parroting of their words and phrases. [St. Hiram be praised] A commercial license is "cast aside" by the FCC with regard to the obtaining of an amateur radio license. The FCC has NEVER "cast aside" my First 'Phone nor subsequent GROL. It is still in the FCC URL records and still current. The requirements for an amateur radio license are all explained in Title 47 C.F.R. Part 97.501 and following. The requirements for commercial radio operator licenses are given in regulations of Title 47 C.F.R. Part 13. Do you understand these instructions as they have been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint an attorney to assist you. You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license. I've not said anything to the contrary. The LAW is quite clear enough on the issue of civil US radio. You seem confused as to the differences of LAW and your imaginings. YOU are NOT any law official. You are merely officious. I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len: You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands. I am quite able to "operate an amateur radio station." With or without a license. You failed (once more) to make your point that it would be ILLEGAL to operate AS IF one were a licensed radio amateur if no US amateur radio license had been granted to that operator. Any radio operator license does NOT automatically ENABLE anyone to "operate an amateur radio station." ABILITY of anyone to "operate an amateur radio station" has nothing at all to do with licensing. The license is merely an AUTHORIZATION by the US federal government to operate. Do you understand the definition as it has been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint a dictionary to assist you. As they said in the TV control booth, "Take Black." In this case "Black's Law Dictionary." :-) As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to obtain an amateur radio license. No "BOAST" was ever made. I do not "HAUNT." I may PLAY at being a ghost on Halloween...and have. Boooo! I "express an interest" in ALL radio. So much so that I made electronics and radio a life career early- on, despite having an aptitude for (called "talent") and experience IN commercial illustration ("art" where the artist draws/paints/inks things as they really are). Why do YOU attempt constant "haunting" of anyone who does not agree with your mighty claims and boasts of "radio operation" to/from faraway lands? Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be? Why indeed? Have you understood my previous explanations as I've explained them to you? If not, the court will appoint a psychiatrist to assist you. You could live in a gated community with country club privileges. I live (in the southern house) back-yard to back-yard with a gated community called "Montelena." 44 homes built on 15 acres of what was undeveloped wilderness. That community has NO "country club" there. You could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night spot. ? Is that one of your "requirements" for amateur radio? Strange. Strange. You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups in which it does not participate. Are you suffering from a plague? See medical assistance as soon as possible! Are you suffering from plaque? Seek dental assistance as soon as possible. "Fighting tooth and nail?" No nails were used in the attempt to change a local zoning board ruling, just the democratic processes of the neighborhood getting together (also meeting at the local church), petitioning, then speaking before the zoning commission in public. Neither were "teeth" involved. See your dentist regularly for better oral hygience. That will help keep your dentures in place when you snarl and grimace so much. Especially when you boil over and shout. That SINGLE LOCAL zoning incident resulted in a change from residential single-family homes to residential multiple family (apartments, condos, etc) homes. The gated community you and Miccolis refer to is the "Montelena" I mentioned above...which has only single-family homes now. Nothing whatsoever in that alleged "tooth and nail" debate involved any "radio" subjects, not even TV cable or satellite down- link, certainly not amateur radio antenna installations. Now, if your parroting Miccolis MANUFACTURED moral-ethical "fault" would stop we might all learn to get along. That was NOT a "radio" issue of any kind. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with "radio," either amateur or commercial. Do you understand those explanations as they have been given you? If not the court will appoint a two-by-four to lay across your head at no cost to you. Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups. Tsk. You don't have a ghost of a chance of understanding anything but "professional amateurism," do you? :-) It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio callsign, Len. NO "worrying" was done. :-) A high degree of persistence in advocacy of eliminating the morse code test from license testing done over a period greater than two decades was done. That was just a POLITICAL matter that was finally settled by FCC 06-178 released on 15 Dec 06. Do you understand those explanations as they've been explained to you? If not the court will appoint someone of sound mind to attempt making you understand. You aren't involved. Yes, I was quite involved. FCC 06-178 resulted on the part of thousands who "involved" themselves in making their lawful comments to the US federal government. The code test for any class amateur radio license in the USA will be GONE very soon. Do you understand FCC Reports and Orders as they've been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint a federal attorney to explain the Consitution of the US and basic civics to you. Your plaintive cries over pretend significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but look at what I've done!" I've never worked Frenchmen out of band. I've never had to "synchronize teleprinters" by means of on-off keying morse code in the 1980s. I've never served in the State Department and bragged about BEING "DX." Your continuing PRETENSE at being a near-equivalent god of radio through amateurism has been duly noted. By all readers of this newsgroup. You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by tinkering with electronics. "Tinkering?" :-) A working career that included duties of responsible project engineer is just "tinkering?!?" :-) That isn't amateur radio, but why let that bother you? "Amateur" is a regulatory definition of one who engages in an activity WITHOUT monetary compensation. That is ALSO the definition of a HOBBY. HOBBY. LICENSED amateur radio is what you should have written. LICENSED, AUTHORIZED by the only civil radio regulatory agency of the United States government. Have you under- stood the definitions as they were explained to you? If not, the court may appoint a bailiff to place you under arrest until medical science has come up with an explanation for your serious mental confusion. Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics. ...and you think ALL of them are monetarily compensated if they do not have federal authorization to transmit RF on certain bands with certain modulation modes according to federal regulations? Not so. See? That is your extreme CONFUSION. You mistakenly label "radio amateurs" as ONLY the "licensed." Your EGO has given way to logic and reason...but, then, everyone has already seen that... Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend significance? My end-of-message IDENTIFICATION is merely an E-MAIL FORWARDING ALIAS. See the header "From" line. My professional association (IEEE, 34 years) provides that forwarding alias free of charge to all IEEE Members. That one-way forwarding alias includes some "spam" filtering as an extra "filter" to remove unwanted advertising e-mail. Such a forwarding alias in little different than that used by the ARRL for amateur radio members, conveying no more significance than any other forwarding alias. Do you understand this e-mail forwarding definition as it has been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint yet another dead horse for you to beat upon. [...and the beat goes on...] LA |
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From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:38:16 GMT
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT wrote: My statement is correct. N2EY has never been other than civilized with you. Which "civilization" are you talking about? :-) Some Amazon River backwoods tribe using curare darts? His demeanor is in direct contrast with yours, especially when you reply to him. Cranky has a psychological problem involving pedantry and religious transgendering. His problem, not mine. Your problem is much deeper. However, it MIGHT be alleviated by your taking some Anger Management counseling. My statement is correct. The overwhelming majority of posters to this newsgroup are licensed radio amateurs. Should I be "overwhelmed?" :-) I'm not. In here I'm not in the presence of gods, only some cranky "superior" wannabes trying to push others around. "Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds who each got an amateur radio license in 1998. The word "precious" may be applied to numerous things. So, you still believe that pre-kindergarten 4-year-olds have sufficient English comprehension to take and pass written test elements for an amateur radio license? :-) Good luck on that one, now. A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio. That's correct. This particular newsgroup deals with amateur radio. So do several other newsgroups. However, NONE of them seem to be concerned with getting anyone licensed in the amateur radio service of the United States. That was the point of "John Smith I" first posting in this thread. So far, all that seems to be "dealt" is a bunch of middle- school-minded macho adolescents busy tossing filth and sexual innuendo around...or some olde-tyme "superiority" fossils busy berating others and/or trying to push others around. On the whole, this newsgroup doesn't seem to be dealing at all well with amateur radio. You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed for anything. I've never made a demand that you obtain an amateur radio license. That's obviously INCORRECT. YOU have wasted much memory space with constant sniping, back-biting, arrogant posturing (mostly on your alleged "superiority"), and constant fabrication of others' "faults" which were no faults, only differences of opinion. In fact, I much prefer that you didn't. You seem to desire that in ALL your newsgroup opponents. Is that the very model of modern morseman amateur? To restrict the PUBLIC airways of anyone but your own cozy little clique of hive-mind hammatures? Yes, it does appear to be so! :-) Precisely. You have yet to become a radio amateur. When and if you ever obtain such a license, you'll be a new amateur radio op. You are CONSTANTLY dwelling on "new ops" as if that were some kind of pejorative. Why? Is it because the FCC will no longer have morse code testing as a necessity to become a licensed radio amateur? Or are those your own personal issues which might be alleviated by Anger Management counseling? Maybe it is some kind of EGO thing, one of your imagining you are always "superior" to those YOU consider "inferior?" Oh, my, it seems like you have MANY personal issues! I don't care about it, Len. It isn't an amateur radio license. In amateur radio, it qualifies you for nothing. INCORRECT. MISTAKE. FAULTY. A commercial radio operator license enables any grantee to operate a transmitter on MORE of the EM spectrum, using MORE modes than are allocated to radio amateurs. That involves radio technologies which have yet to be adapted by the "amateur community." By human-made LAW at the federal level, licensed amateurs are restricted to LAW-specified frequency bands and only certain, specified modes of operation and modulation. Radio amateurs cannot broadcast, cannot get monetary compensation for their radio activies (some rare exceptions such as in Part 97.113 (d)), cannot permit anyone but a licensed control operator to operate their (or other amateur) station transmitters. Note the use of "human- made" as a descriptor. The LAW came into being as a political thing, not some divine edict in which (licensed) radio amateurs are somehow "superior" to all others. What was made by humans can be deleted by humans. FCC 06-178 is as lawful as any other US amateur radio service regulation and it has deleted your cherished code test. I could go on and on about my technical-operational back- ground but you would simply dismiss it in your usual arrogant "superior" manner as if it were "nothing." You just did that above. This only demonstrates your spiteful selfish desire to be some kind of "superior" over others, amply demonstrated in here for years. Now how do you think that looks to those who are really new to radio, any kind of radio? Do you think they will worship you at your feet AS IF you were some god of radio? Do you think it makes them proud just to be in the same newsgroup with you? If you do, then you've got a really bad case of Superiority Complex all mixed up with an even larger Inferiority Complex. A complex confusion. I predict that you will never obtain an amateur radio license during your lifetime. It's irrelevant as to whatever I do. If you keep on treating me as something worse than dirt, then others will think that you will treat them as dirt, or worse. They will get the (demonstratably correct) idea that ALL olde-tyme morsemen are elite snobs looking down on "lesser beings." NOT a good attitude. Your constant prodding, poking, sneering, and general un- wholesome behavior about "newbies" and "neophytes" makes it clear that YOUR motivation is merely to make fun of, to ridicule and demean all your newsgroup opponents. You are trying to "set up" some kind of future commentary. That's so predictable that you might as well make graphics lighted by neon. For example, in my case, three possible courses of your future action: 1. I take no action towards getting an amateur radio license: No change in your attitude, the same manufactured "faults" you've been expressing all along, a constant barrage of snide snarly remarks about "long interest" and "no action." 2. I try testing and fail any element: Accusations of "stupdity," "inability to be as good as four-year-olds," and general cat-calling of a most uncivil nature. A general set of uncomplimentary remarks including charges of an "age" nature. 3. I try and succeed: Modified accusations, now along the lines of snide, snarly, berating comments about "why didn't I do that 'sooner?'" That would be followed by a "lecture" of how I was "supposed to have gotten an amateur license 'first'!" For any of the three possible scenarios I would proceed on my own, for me, NOT on any remarks from a suspected insane individual such as yourself. You're the biggest control freak of all, Len. You want to control regulations in something in which you play no part. My advocacy of eliminating the code test was about GETTING INTO amateur radio. The FCC did eliminate that code test effect 23 Feb 07. Thousands commented to the FCC about eliminating that code test, including myself. There is NO LAW WHATSOEVER that restricted such commentary to ONLY licensed persons in a particular civil radio service. Do YOU spend all your time GETTING INTO amateur radio through taking morse code tests? I don't think so. YOU spend an inordinate amount of time trying to accuse others of pushing YOU around! Oh, my, who could EVER DARE push Heil around?!? Why you would just fabricate some "faults" of theirs and try to get others to believe that! You've told us about the "sow" you've eaten in recent months. INCORRECT. The FDA does not require labeling of ham as to the gender of the animal butchered and packed. A definition of ham: "The butchered meat of swine." You're still at the starting line, Len. IMPOSSIBLE. The only "starting line" in radio happened in either Switzerland of 1895 or Italy of 1896, both done by Guglielmo Marconi. That is historical fact. The only dispute there is Marconi's experiments (few records were kept) in Switzerland in 1895. Popov in Russia demonstrated radio as a communications medium in 1896. "Amateur radio" in the USA was legalized in 1912 with the first US radio regulating agency. That defined "amateur" as opposed to commercial or professional radio. The FCC was created by an Act of Congress in 1934. I was a radio-electronics hobbyist in 1947, became a military-professional in HF radio in 1953, was granted a commercial radio operator license in 1956, was given first radio engineering design responsibility in 1962. Is that your quaint "superior" arrogance in saying I was NOT at ANY "starting line" in the past? Is amateur radio some kind of unique physics phenomenon that is totally unlike all other radio? It isn't. Why do you persist in trying to say that? You must be INSANE. I am not licensed to counsel the INSANE. While I enjoy fruitcake, you are not of good taste. Get your own handlers. All the civil radio services will continue as they have been doing regardless of what you spout in here. ["signature" omitted due to upset of the great Heil in others belonging to a professional association he cannot be a part of] |
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