From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500

wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
wrote:
From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:


...for a guy who supposedly made it all the way to a Masters degree,
he seems to have a great deal of trouble thinking 'outside the box'.

He hasn't been able to open it yet.

I believe that you're right!

With some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they
never do remove the pretty wrappings. shrug


Leo, I'm debating on whether or not to submit Cranky
as an "unforgettable character I've met" article to
Readers Digest.

I'm afraid that your article would be returned without the $100 cheque
- he's actually quite forgettable....

I agree. :-)

Thought you might!

On second thought, Asimov's Science Fiction might be
interested... :-)


Nah, Cranky no be wrong. Ever. "CB" radio (as all know
it today) on 11m was authorized in the USA in 1958. It
was in all the electronics trade papers and Regulations of
our FCC. In 1958 little Cranky was just beginning to read,
but might have reached 13 WPM level in morse code...

A stellar accomplishment, by any measure, that!

A Nova!

Ah, but later in life came the Bossy Nova!

...and the beat goes on...


The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt
useable by the target audience. Sure, there were transceivers
available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks,
and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out,
there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And
King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) .

Well he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE
"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated
oscillator cum super-regen detector. Forgot who made
it but it was really cheap in everything inside. I had
gotten one free from another who wanted to set up a
link down in Inglewood, CA. It would reach, at best,
a mile and a half. That was in the later 1950s and
the UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had
already started to crystalize enough to snap off easily.
Still had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but
the steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just
tossed it a year later. :-(

But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's
Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without
exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed
in 1945.

Not quite. Our FCC was struggling mightily with all
sorts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes
back then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in
gorgeous black and white. FM broadcast was about to
move to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various
public safety agencies wanted to get to "low band"
(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about
160 MHz). It would seem that the original US Citizens
Band on UHF was a sort-of afterthought. Manufacturers
started to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube-
only era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur
"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the
rest was history. Radio-wise, the fit hit the shan
after 1958 with all sorts of different radio services
wanting this and that plus the electronics industry
had to step in to stop the color TV "war" between
CBS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been
suitable). Our FCC was barely keeping up with the
changes everywhere. Again, "CB" was an afterthought
radio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge
in off-shore design and production that would flood
N. America by a decade later.


What an idiot! This guy is proof that you shouldn't sign your organ
donor card without reading it very carefully - looks like they came
for his brain a few years early!

Now, now... :-)


Heil on the break-in: "You aren't funny, Leonard!"

I'd suggest taking his word as Gospel on that subject - Dave is an
expert on the subject of "not funny".

Jawholl! heels click together, monocle snaps in place

But, on the plus side, he can sign his organ donor card any time.

Pity the recipient...

I do find it unusual that the US Diplomatic Corpse did not require
that particular characteristic from their employees! You'd think that
that would be a prerequisite.....

NOT in Foggy Bottom (part of DC).

The soubriquet of "Ugly American" was bestowed honestly
by those in foreign lands. :-(

I'm one US citizen who hasn't been happy with State
for a couple decades. Of course the koff Presidents
steer our State Department so that may explain much.
On the other hand, the first new US Embassy in Moscow
was a bugging disaster and we had to scrap it. KGB
must have had a ball stuffing bugs in that building.
Where were the State inspectors? Busy buying up
souvenirs at the GUM?


Bon chance, mon ami, salute,

La guerre, la guerre....tojours la guerre! snappy salute

Oui. Always the WORD WAR 3 bitter fight waged by
morsemen...

Well, after feeding Fideaux with Alpeaux I might have a
pizza with peppereaunix...? As I eat that I'll read
biographies of Guglielmeaux Marconeaunix and Phileaux
Farnsworth.

Leonardeaux

au revoir pour maintenant, mon ami - voyez-vous bientôt !

73, Leoaux (?)

I'll see if I can get a "Martin Brandeaux'" lexicon to
help you with names. :-)

Aw reservoir,
LA

On Feb 9, 2:17�am, "
wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500

wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
wrote:
From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:

* *With some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they
* *never do remove the pretty wrappings. *shrug

You mean like the box your license is in?

The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt
useable by the target audience. *Sure, there were transceivers
available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks,
and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out,
there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And
King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) .

* *Well he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE
* *"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated
* *oscillator cum super-regen detector. *Forgot who made
* *it but it was really cheap in everything inside. *

Do you mean the Vocaline unit?

There were others.

Google "Al Gross".

I had
* *gotten one free from another who wanted to set up a
* *link down in Inglewood, CA. *It would reach, at best,
* *a mile and a half. *That was in the later 1950s and
* *the UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had
* *already started to crystalize enough to snap off easily.
* *Still had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but
* *the steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just
* *tossed it a year later. *:-(

But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's
Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without
exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed
in 1945.

So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that.

* *Not quite. *Our FCC was struggling mightily with all
* *sorts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes
* *back then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in
* *gorgeous black and white. *FM broadcast was about to
* *move to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various
* *public safety agencies wanted to get to "low band"
* *(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about
* *160 MHz). *It would seem that the original US Citizens
* *Band on UHF was a sort-of afterthought. *Manufacturers
* *started to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube-
* *only era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur
* *"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the
* *rest was history. *Radio-wise, the fit hit the shan
* *after 1958 with all sorts of different radio services
* *wanting this and that plus the electronics industry
* *had to step in to stop the color TV "war" between
* *CBS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been
* *suitable). *Our FCC was barely keeping up with the
* *changes everywhere. *Again, "CB" was an afterthought
* *radio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge
* *in off-shore design and production that would flood
* *N. America by a decade later.

So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958.

Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error.

---

btw, Len old chap:

The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the
number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You
were wrong on that too, some days back.

Thanks a heap.

wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:17�am, "
wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500

wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
wrote:
From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:
� �With some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they
� �never do remove the pretty wrappings. �shrug

You mean like the box your license is in?

Len has some experience with unopened boxes. It's been seven years now.

The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt
useable by the target audience. �Sure, there were transceivers
available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks,
and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out,
there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And
King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) .
� �Well he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE
� �"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated
� �oscillator cum super-regen detector. �Forgot who made
� �it but it was really cheap in everything inside. �

Do you mean the Vocaline unit?

There were others.

Google "Al Gross".

I had
� �gotten one free from another who wanted to set up a
� �link down in Inglewood, CA. �It would reach, at best,
� �a mile and a half. �That was in the later 1950s and
� �the UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had
� �already started to crystalize enough to snap off easily.
� �Still had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but
� �the steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just
� �tossed it a year later. �:-(

But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's
Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without
exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed
in 1945.

So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that.

� �Not quite. �Our FCC was struggling mightily with all
� �sorts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes
� �back then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in
� �gorgeous black and white. �FM broadcast was about to
� �move to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various
� �public safety agencies wanted to get to "low band"
� �(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about
� �160 MHz). �It would seem that the original US Citizens
� �Band on UHF was a sort-of afterthought. �Manufacturers
� �started to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube-
� �only era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur
� �"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the
� �rest was history. �Radio-wise, the fit hit the shan
� �after 1958 with all sorts of different radio services
� �wanting this and that plus the electronics industry
� �had to step in to stop the color TV "war" between
� �CBS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been
� �suitable). �Our FCC was barely keeping up with the
� �changes everywhere. �Again, "CB" was an afterthought
� �radio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge
� �in off-shore design and production that would flood
� �N. America by a decade later.

So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958.

Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error.

Len tells us that the UHF CB frequencies were an afterthought. Yet the
Commission later chose frequencies which could not have been much worse
for local communications in offering the 27 MHz channels. CB operators
almost immediately began violating the regs governing their licenses.

---

btw, Len old chap:

The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the
number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You
were wrong on that too, some days back.

Thanks a heap.

Len makes a great many factual errors.

Dave K8MN

On Feb 8, 7:49?pm, Leo wrote:
there were handheld units available for
these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have
required King Kong's hand to hold them!


http://www.retrocom.com/algross2.htm

On Feb 8, 1:52 pm, "Dean M" wrote:
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:45:02 -0500, "KH6HZ" wrote:

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nope more like woger and yourself not anybody

funny that you like to might fun of the diabled even when it has
nothing to do with the thread

but then you are a censor wannabe

As opposed to you.. a censorship practitioner!!???

I do not practice censorship at all
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

BRAVO SIERRA MARK You stated yourself, until you edited it away that you
only allow those posts that you agree with By definition that's censorship

Is this what they taught you in military officer training school??

You are definitely the quintessential mental deficient

sewer file for you

reply all you want

I pity the Copper Country club you belong to

phhewww

What Copper Country Club? That's never been brought up here. Looks
like more Robesin stalking to me.

On Feb 8, 2:16 pm, wrote:
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:45:02 -0500, "KH6HZ" wrote:

wrote:

nope more like woger and yourself not anybody

funny that you like to might fun of the diabled even when it has
nothing to do with the thread

but then you are a censor wannabe

As opposed to you.. a censorship practitioner!!???

I do not practice censorship at all
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

BRAVO SIERRA MARK You stated yourself, until you edited it away that you
only allow those posts that you agree with By definition that's censorship

2nd though on this post

Funny how you object to my requiring the comments on blog to be
ontopic

I don't recall you objecting to the proposed NG doing the same thing

Actually, he likes the idea.

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On Feb 8, 2:16 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:52:18 -0000, "Dean M" wrote:

wrote in message
news On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:18:00 -0000, "Dean M" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:45:02 -0500, "KH6HZ" wrote:

wrote:

nope more like woger and yourself not anybody

funny that you like to might fun of the diabled even when it has
nothing to do with the thread

but then you are a censor wannabe

As opposed to you.. a censorship practitioner!!???

I do not practice censorship at all
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

BRAVO SIERRA MARK You stated yourself, until you edited it away that
you
only allow those posts that you agree with By definition that's
censorship

2nd though on this post

Funny how you object to my requiring the comments on blog to be
ontopic

I don't recall you objecting to the proposed NG doing the same thing

Actually, he likes the idea.

Actually, like your very existence, I could care less

it's the hypocrisy that you and the mentally challenged Marcus exhibit

It's OK for you and your good buddy to say one thing yet exhibit behavior
totally opposite

oh yes, be sure to report me

On 9 Feb 2007 03:56:19 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 9, 2:17?am, "
wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500

wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
wrote:
From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:

ith some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they
.ever do remove the pretty wrappings. shrug

You mean like the box your license is in?

The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt
useable by the target audience. ure, there were transceivers
available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks,
and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out,
there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And
King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) .

ell he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE
"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated
/scillator cum super-regen detector. orgot who made
)t but it was really cheap in everything inside.

Do you mean the Vocaline unit?

There were others.

....of equally unpopular units. Gross may have been a pioneer, agreed
- but the CB service he built units for never got off the ground.


Google "Al Gross".

I had
'otten one free from another who wanted to set up a
,ink down in Inglewood, CA. t would reach, at best,
! mile and a half. hat was in the later 1950s and
4he UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had
!lready started to crystalize enough to snap off easily.
till had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but
4he steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just
4ossed it a year later. :-(

But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's
Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without
exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed
in 1945.

So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that.

Brilliantly, you are agreeing with my paraphrase of your own
assertion! Nice reading comprehension....


ot quite. ur FCC was struggling mightily with all
3orts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes
"ack then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in
'orgeous black and white. M broadcast was about to
-ove to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various
0ublic safety agencies wanted to get to "low band"
(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about
160 MHz). t would seem that the original US Citizens

and on UHF was a sort-of afterthought.
anufacturers
3tarted to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube-
/nly era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur
"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the
2est was history. adio-wise, the fit hit the shan
!fter 1958 with all sorts of different radio services
7anting this and that plus the electronics industry
(ad to step in to stop the color TV "war" between

BS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been
3uitable). ur FCC was barely keeping up with the
#hanges everywhere.
gain, "CB" was an afterthought
2adio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge
)n off-shore design and production that would flood
. America by a decade later.

So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958.

They created an impractical CB service which would later be replaced
with a far more practical one in '58.


Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error.

LOL!


---

btw, Len old chap:

The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the
number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You
were wrong on that too, some days back.

A fact, perhaps....at last!

(whew - that took a while!)


Thanks a heap.

No signoff?

73, Leo

On Feb 10, 2:25�pm, Leo wrote:
On 9 Feb 2007 03:56:19 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 9, 2:17?am, "
wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500

wrote:
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
wrote:
From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:

* ith some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they
*.ever do remove the pretty wrappings. shrug

You mean like the box your license is in?

The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt
useable by the target audience. *ure, there were transceivers
available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks,
and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out,
there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And
King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) .

* ell he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE
*"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated
*/scillator cum super-regen detector. *orgot who made
*)t but it was really cheap in everything inside.

Do you mean the Vocaline unit?

There were others.

...of equally unpopular units. *Gross may have been a pioneer, agreed
- but the CB service he built units for never got off the ground.

According to various sources, he sold over 100,000 units for UHF CB.

That's not as popular as 11 meter cb, but it was considerable.

By comparison, in 1950 there were only about 100,000 US hams.

Al Gross was W8PAL, btw.

Google "Al Gross".

Here's what some others have to say about him:

MIT:

http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/gross.html


IEEE:

http://www.comsoc.org/socstr/org/ope...lgrossmem.html

Others:

http://hamgallery.com/Tribute/W8PAL/

http://www.retrocom.com/Al%20Gross.htm

UHF CB HT

http://www.retrocom.com/algross2.htm


I had
*'otten one free from another who wanted to set up a
*,ink down in Inglewood, CA. * t would reach, at best,
*! mile and a half. *hat was in the later 1950s and
*4he UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had
*!lready started to crystalize enough to snap off easily.
* till had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but
*4he steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just
*4ossed it a year later. :-(

The Vocaline unit was not made by Al Gross's company.

If my sources are correct, in those days it was also legal to build
one's own UHF cb unit, or to convert surplus, if the person had the
required commercial license. Conversion of inexpensive units like the
BC-645 or AN/APS-13 to UHF cb was possible, for those with the
knowledge and skill to do so.

But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's
Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without
exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed
in 1945.

1948 is the date the rules were in effect.

So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that.

Brilliantly, you are agreeing with my paraphrase of your own
assertion! *Nice reading comprehension.... *

Yes, Len was wrong about UHF CB.

* ot quite. *ur FCC was struggling mightily with all
*3orts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes
*"ack then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in
*'orgeous black and white. *M broadcast was about to
*-ove to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various
*0ublic safety agencies wanted to get to "low band"
*(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about
*160 MHz). * * t would seem that the original US Citizens

and on UHF was a sort-of afterthought.anufacturers
*3tarted to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube-
*/nly era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur
*"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the
*2est was history. *adio-wise, the fit hit the shan
*!fter 1958 with all sorts of different radio services
*7anting this and that plus the electronics industry
*(ad to step in to stop the color TV "war" between

BS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been *3uitable). *ur FCC was barely keeping up with the
*#hanges everywhere.

gain, "CB" was an afterthought

*2adio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge
*)n off-shore design and production that would flood
* . America by a decade later.

So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958.

They created an impractical CB service which would later be replaced
with a far more practical one in '58.

100,000 units sold by a single company isn't practical?


Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error.

LOL!

Whether or not UHF CB was "practical" in Len's or "Leo's" opinion is
besides the point, too. The fact is that CB was created by FCC in
1948, not 1958, and it *was* used. It just wasn't as popular as 27 MHz
cb would eventually turn out to be.

---

btw, Len old chap:

The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the
number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You
were wrong on that too, some days back.

A fact, perhaps....at last!

Check out the numbers. Technicians amount to less than half the total.
Even if one considers Technicians and Technician Pluses combined, the
total is less than half.

Jim, N2EY

On 8 Feb 2007 18:01:57 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 8, 8:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 8 Feb 2007 17:35:24 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 8, 5:35?pm, Leo wrote:
As far out as the Moon, I'll bet - say, how far is that, anyway?

About 250,000 miles. Varies because the orbit is not a perfect circle.

have conflicting figures here from
some 'engineer' in this group, who
will remain useless.....

Who is that, Leo?

That was you.

No, it wasn't. You are mistaken, Leo.

I'm sorry, Jim - you are incorrect ..... once again!


I have posted the approximate distance from the earth to the moon here
a few times. 250,000 miles, each time.

A bit too approximate, OM - it varies considerably as the distance
changes during the orbit cycle:

Mean distance: 238,712 miles
At apogee: 252,586 miles
At perigee: 221,331 miles

That's a 11% error rate at perigee, and approaching a 5% error rate
at mean distance. Not too far off at apogee, though - perhaps we can
get someone to hold it still for you?

You're definitely well within amateur-level expectations, but not
likely to cut it at the MSEE level, though.....

But you were much closer than you were with your Mars calculations!
One of them went over a 100% error rate.

(just in case you forgot again, you can find that one with Google if
you search the groups for the following subject line: " European
Mars probe to use 80meters to look for Martian water?" - August 7,
2004, to be precise).

You're welcome!


Ptoooey - did you forget?

Ptoooey?

Ptoooey.

No signoff again? Bad form!

73, Leo

(why be 'approximate' when exact is so easy?)