Hans,

I might *gently* remind folks that there are no limitations on CW either )

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


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"Joe Collins" wrote in message


....what will happen to the exclusive CW allocations....

Except in the USA, most amateurs do not labor under "sub-bands" based on
mode. As an example Canadian amateur have no such restrictions. It's a
source of continuing wonder to me that the FCC continues to arbitrarily
slice and dice the bands based on mode, license class, power levels, and
similar artificial constructs of their imagination.

73, de Hans, K0HB

PS: There are no "exclusive CW allocations" below 50MHz.



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In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Hmmmm. Are you saying that the "Operate CW" numbers are inflated?

No, I'm saying the survey measures the respondents opinions of their own
levels of activity. What that means in objective terms is something on
which you're free to speculate, although I can't imagine what useful
result would obtain from such speculations.

Jon

Jon, you can't, huh? At a time when the ARRL wanted to save CW
testing, I could imagine the use of upping the numbers. Just my
opinion.

ARRL represents LESS than a quarter of all licensed US radio
amateurs. By their own demographics, ARRL membership is
already slanted towards morsemanship.

For survival as an organization, ARRL must represent its member-
ship and thus there is a positive feedback to sustaining
morsemanship.

While that isn't "proof" quid pro quo, the inference is readily
apparant to anyone the least familiar with amateur radio.

ARRL spin is, of course, that they "represent all amateurs" but in
fact all they "represent" is a minority of all licensed amateurs.

LHA

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Stu Parker wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:16:40 GMT, Carl R. Stevenson
wrote:
[snip]

Go ahead. Pick at nits. We all know what he meant.

But the point is well-taken. If CW is to be removed as a
*requirement* for a ham license, then its special status has
evaporated. Why give it any band-plan perks at all? CW operators can
already operate in the phone bands (most of them don't, but that's a
free choice), so why not accord the phone users the same freedom of
choice?

I'd be in favor of reserving a very small portion of each HF band for
rtty, psk31, etc., but I'd let all modes permitted by an operator's
license be used everywhere else.

In other words, it is legitimate and useful to reevaluate the entire
band-plan structure of the Amateur Radio Service, and it is even
thinkable that what is commonly called the "cw portion" of the bands
should be reallocated.

Well, Carl, here is a well thought out and well presented argument.
Your answer?

What is yours...other than another trolling "question"?

I do agree that Stu's comments are perfectly valid and reasonable
points to consider.

But, I've also seen so #$%^&!! many "points" about keeping the
status quo absolute in here that I cannot expect reasonable people
to be considered.

The pro-coder regulars in here have been sorely wounded by the
WRC-03 decision on S25 and they are vengeful, looking for blood
regardless of manner in which it is spilled. Are you one of those?

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

The pro-coder regulars in here have been sorely wounded by the
WRC-03 decision on S25 and they are vengeful, looking for blood
regardless of manner in which it is spilled. Are you one of those?

Oh?

And whom might they be? Everyone in the "pro-code" camp here,
myself included, has expressed regret over the recent events, but we
are also all of us involved in OTHER modes.

Uhhhhh...those are modes YOU can't use, Lennie...No Tickee No
Transmitee.

Of course there IS Part 15 and Part 95....Built your MURS
repeater yet, Lennie? You sure haven't exactly been burning up the
airwaves with that Part 15 transmitter you said you were going to put
on 20 meters.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

The pro-coder regulars in here have been sorely wounded by the
WRC-03 decision on S25 and they are vengeful, looking for blood
regardless of manner in which it is spilled. Are you one of those?

Oh?

And whom might they be?

Robeson, Heil, Miccolis, Carroll, Kehler, Deignan, at least one SK,
Roll, and assorted others who have their code keys removed from
dead, cold fingers.

Everyone in the "pro-code" camp here,
myself included, has expressed regret over the recent events, but we
are also all of us involved in OTHER modes.

Such as?

You guys have spent SO much time on here that you cannot have
"worked" any ham bands. Since you don't have any verification of
such "working" that cannot be falsified, your word is suspect.

Uhhhhh...those are modes YOU can't use, Lennie...No Tickee No
Transmitee.

Puerile and an ethnic insult to Asians. You still haven't taken your
medications like you've been instructed.


Of course there IS Part 15 and Part 95....Built your MURS
repeater yet, Lennie? You sure haven't exactly been burning up the
airwaves with that Part 15 transmitter you said you were going to put
on 20 meters.

Steamy, you really DO have a great problem with rational thought.
That is not uncommon in those with a psychosis.

I've never intended to "burn up airwaves with Part 15 transmitters."

Why do you spout such LIES?

I've never said anything about "putting any transmitter on 20 meters,"
or any other amateur band. I HAVE been on hand to help other
radio amateurs match their transceivers to their antennas for maximum
power output...but then I know how to do such things both practically
and theoretically and have done such in commercial radio service.

You continue to LIE about my "not having any license."

I have had a commercial operator's license since 1956. I have had
two non-amateur radio station licenses since then.

The subject is NOT any individual's accomplishments. The subject is
the FUTURE of one radio service aftet the morse code test is abolished
for a license exam.

You cannot stay in focus on the subject. You continually attack the
person instead of the subject. Your psychosis is manifesting itself
stronger and stronger every day.

You need competent medical help for you mind. You can't help
yourself in that department...you don't have the qualifications.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

The pro-coder regulars in here have been sorely wounded by the
WRC-03 decision on S25 and they are vengeful, looking for blood
regardless of manner in which it is spilled. Are you one of those?

What is any of this to you, Leonard? You aren't involved in amateur
radio in any way. You aren't a ham. You aren't a regulator. You
aren't a budding neophyte. You're a guy who delights in pointing out
his past accomplishments in military and commercial radio.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

The pro-coder regulars in here have been sorely wounded by the
WRC-03 decision on S25 and they are vengeful, looking for blood
regardless of manner in which it is spilled. Are you one of those?

What is any of this to you, Leonard?

Colonel Klunk, you have NO authority to demand any such answer.

You are not Mike Coslo...to whom my remarks were aimed.

Why do you attempt to answer for another?

Do you have multiple personalities? Or is your psychosis a mild one
of simple hatred for anyone pointing out that you never did any
glorious government radio pioneering in the 1980s.

You aren't involved in amateur radio in any way.

Not required.

You aren't a ham.

The FDA hasn't been around to stamp my beef. Why do you think
you can beef so much without such inspection?

You aren't a regulator.

NEITHER ARE YOU.

Quit trying to play Raddio Kop. Or did you get one of those nice
shields in the mail so that you can flip open your badge wallet and
pretend to be some kind of officer? Were your friends and neighbors
amazed and delighted at your "promotion?"

You aren't a budding neophyte.

I was a "neophyte" in radio a half century ago. That quickly passed.

You're a guy who delights in pointing out
his past accomplishments in military and commercial radio.

Sorry, but you are LYING again. As I keep saying, the US Army quit
using morse code modes for long-haul primary communications on HF
in 1948. I began operating on HF in early 1953 as part of a team of four
to keep a very large Army radio station operating 24 hours a day, seven
days a week.

Both the US Army and US Air Force quit using morse code modes for
long-distance primary communications on HF 55 years ago.

"It ain't braggin' if ya done it." I did it.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

The pro-coder regulars in here have been sorely wounded by the
WRC-03 decision on S25 and they are vengeful, looking for blood
regardless of manner in which it is spilled. Are you one of those?

What is any of this to you, Leonard?

Colonel Klunk, you have NO authority to demand any such answer.

When was a demand issued, Leonora?

You are not Mike Coslo...to whom my remarks were aimed.

Why do you attempt to answer for another?

You must have forgotten how usenet works, kindly old gent. Perhaps
you'll want to engage in an e-mail exchange directly with Mike if it
bothers you when others comment on what you've written in this very
public place.

Do you have multiple personalities? Or is your psychosis a mild one
of simple hatred for anyone pointing out that you never did any
glorious government radio pioneering in the 1980s.

You've called a number of people crazy over the past week or so. You
know what they say about one who believes that a number of others are
insane?

You aren't involved in amateur radio in any way.

Not required.

You aren't a ham.

The FDA hasn't been around to stamp my beef. Why do you think
you can beef so much without such inspection?

from 9/5/96
Anderson: "Will I take a license exam? Probably. I'm a year from
retirement and it's only taken me two decades to achieve 3 WPM...
Will I recommend amateur radio as a hobby to a young person? Only
guardedly and only after explaining everything that I've observed over
the last four decades as a professional in the electronics/
communications industry."

Then there's that "Extra right out of the box". Apparently you aspire
to become a ham as soon as the requirements have been lowered
sufficiently. Perhaps you can obtain that Extra right out of the next
box.

You aren't a regulator.

NEITHER ARE YOU.

No kidding? I am involved in amateur radio. Since you aren't a
regulator and you aren't a ham, your presence here and your fixation
with amateur radio are a tad peculiar.

Quit trying to play Raddio Kop. Or did you get one of those nice
shields in the mail so that you can flip open your badge wallet and
pretend to be some kind of officer? Were your friends and neighbors
amazed and delighted at your "promotion?"

This isn't the "raddio" and I've not present myself as an enforcement
official in amateur radio. Even if I was, it wouldn't matter. You
aren't a part of amateur radio.

You aren't a budding neophyte.

I was a "neophyte" in radio a half century ago. That quickly passed.

You have yet to become a neophyte in amateur radio. You'll become a
beginner after passing a license exam. You'll have the opportunity to
be a neophyte all over again.

You're a guy who delights in pointing out
his past accomplishments in military and commercial radio.

Sorry, but you are LYING again. As I keep saying, the US Army quit
using morse code modes for long-haul primary communications on HF
in 1948. I began operating on HF in early 1953 as part of a team of four
to keep a very large Army radio station operating 24 hours a day, seven
days a week.

Let's look at a few Anderson quotes over a long period of time:

from 2/1/97

Anderson: "Ahem...as one who was _working_ in radio 40 years ago..."

from 9/13/96

Anderson: "Len - tested and passed Commercial 1st Radiotelephone 40
years ago."

from 9/13/96
Anderson: "Geoffrey, between 1953 and 1955 I was a fixed-station
repairman, then supervisor on one team (of 4) at U.S. Army station ADA
in Tokyo. With 27 transmitters (23 on HF bands), 108 TTY circuits, 7
voice circuits over the Pacific, 24 hours a day, I may have worked more
traffic on HF than the average Extra ham will work in a lifetime.
ADA pushed a quarter million TTY messages a month..."

from 12/10/96
Anderson: "In my case, I've already worked 24-hour-a-day "DX" on HF
as a member of the U.S. Army in the 1950s...took and passed a
Commercial Radiotelephone license in 1956...worked as a hands-on
electronics engineer in successful design..."

from 10/8/96
Anderson: "Recall that I've worn the Army uniform and moved
more traffic on the HF transmitters I operated and maintained in one
month than any Extra class amateur has sent in an entire lifetime."

Any of that familiar to you?

"It ain't braggin' if ya done it." I did it.

What is it you did in amateur radio, Len? You're more likely as a
candidate for an amateur radio "Who's He?" than "Who's Who".

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

Do you have multiple personalities? Or is your psychosis a mild one
of simple hatred for anyone pointing out that you never did any
glorious government radio pioneering in the 1980s.

You've called a number of people crazy over the past week or so. You
know what they say about one who believes that a number of others are
insane?

Like "laughing" at 10 or 15 lines of posts? He HAS gone over
the edge. Poor pogue still trying to figure out how he got here and
why hasn't President Nixon got us out of Viet Nam yet.....

That's OK, though...I am sure he's happy, where ever his mind
is...

Steve, K4YZ