"Bob Brock" wrote in message
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On 05 Sep 2003 03:41:16 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Then what do you think that they test for?

Oh I know what they Test for, and it is not knowledge,it is nothing then
Memozizing some Q&As that have no meaning to the test taker. The writtens
are
nothing more than jumping thru hoops

In other words, since they provide the question pool, you don't think
that people have to learn the answers in order to correctly answer the
questions? How do you think that they figure out how to fill in the
correct answer then?


Both the pool AND answers are published.

Let's take a typical question:

What is the length of a dipole for 14.240Mhz?

Now since the questions AND answers are published, the prospective test
taker can simply memorize the numerical answer instead of having to learn
the appropriate equation and how to use that equation. Using the memorize
the numerical answer approach, the new ham has passed the test but is unable
to calculate the dipole that he/she may actually want to build for operating

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

Both the pool AND answers are published.

And how do we convince FCC to change that?

Let's take a typical question:

What is the length of a dipole for 14.240Mhz?

I assume you mean "half wave"...

What kind of half wave dipole? Made of wire or tubing? Of uniform thickness or
tapering? In free space or near other objects?

The answer depends on a bunch of things!

Now since the questions AND answers are published, the prospective test
taker can simply memorize the numerical answer instead of having to learn
the appropriate equation and how to use that equation. Using the memorize
the numerical answer approach, the new ham has passed the test but is unable
to calculate the dipole that he/she may actually want to build for operating

Exactly!

Now suppose we rewrite the question to:

"What is the formula for computing the length of a half-wave dipole for 14.240
MHz, if the dipole is made of #10 wire and is in free space?"

The person being tested then memorizes the formula from the choices in the pool
but doesn't necessarily know how to use it. Same problem.

For another example, knowing that E = IR and P = EI doesn't guarantee that
someone will have the sense to realize that they should not try to use 50 feet
of #18 zip cord to connect a 100 watt transceiver to its 13.8 volt power
supply.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

Both the pool AND answers are published.

And how do we convince FCC to change that?

Let's take a typical question:

What is the length of a dipole for 14.240Mhz?

I assume you mean "half wave"...

What kind of half wave dipole? Made of wire or tubing? Of uniform
thickness or
tapering? In free space or near other objects?

The answer depends on a bunch of things!

That is of course true but at least knowing the basic formula gives the new
ham a place to start even though there are additional factors that should be
considered.


Now since the questions AND answers are published, the prospective test
taker can simply memorize the numerical answer instead of having to learn
the appropriate equation and how to use that equation. Using the
memorize
the numerical answer approach, the new ham has passed the test but is
unable
to calculate the dipole that he/she may actually want to build for
operating

Exactly!

Now suppose we rewrite the question to:

"What is the formula for computing the length of a half-wave dipole for
14.240
MHz, if the dipole is made of #10 wire and is in free space?"

The person being tested then memorizes the formula from the choices in the
pool
but doesn't necessarily know how to use it. Same problem.

As above, at least the new ham has a place to start. With the "just
memorize the specific answer" approach, he/she has no place to begin.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Bob Brock" wrote in message
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On 05 Sep 2003 03:41:16 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Then what do you think that they test for?

Oh I know what they Test for, and it is not knowledge,it is nothing
then
Memozizing some Q&As that have no meaning to the test taker. The
writtens
are
nothing more than jumping thru hoops

In other words, since they provide the question pool, you don't think
that people have to learn the answers in order to correctly answer the
questions? How do you think that they figure out how to fill in the
correct answer then?


Both the pool AND answers are published.

Let's take a typical question:

What is the length of a dipole for 14.240Mhz?


Of what wavelength???? That is an important factor in the equation.



--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Bob Brock" wrote in message
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On 05 Sep 2003 03:41:16 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Then what do you think that they test for?

Oh I know what they Test for, and it is not knowledge,it is nothing
then
Memozizing some Q&As that have no meaning to the test taker. The
writtens
are
nothing more than jumping thru hoops

In other words, since they provide the question pool, you don't think
that people have to learn the answers in order to correctly answer the
questions? How do you think that they figure out how to fill in the
correct answer then?


Both the pool AND answers are published.

Let's take a typical question:

What is the length of a dipole for 14.240Mhz?


Of what wavelength???? That is an important factor in the equation.



--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
--. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-.
.. --. .... - . .-. ...








Congratulations you have just proven you have NO CONCEPT of what was asked.

Does 468 divided by Frequency in Mhz mean anything to you?

Dan/W4NTI