The point, in this debate--once again--is that there are people saying
there's no such thing, it'd never work, etc., etc. There are people here
saying not only that there is such a thing but that there are websites with
technical discussions on the 1/4 wave dipole (for all kinds of bands) and
there are people here using them and telling the results. But, the ones who
are using them and have results with them, and who have provided the
websites with technical discussions are getting told--once again--that they
are dumbed down.

Sayin' it don't make it so. And, since that is the mentality that often
develops with any kind of attempt at anything remotely "real" ham radio,
then that is why we "dumbed down" hams don't even regard this newsgroup as a
place to try such conversation.

Kim W5TIT

I agree with TIT, all No-Codes should start using 1/4 Wave dipoles ASAP. I
think that should put a halt to worrying about the No-Coders getting on HF.
Tell you what, this one time, and one time only, I will be a nice guy to
No-Coders, and provide the length of a 1/4 Wave dipole for any Freq they
choose, as long as they promise to use it .