just don't EVER speak your mind when it comes to
morse code testing, unless it's to the effect that you
LOVE it and couldn't live without it.

You have to put on the jackboots of the CW police
and march in goosestep with the CW nazis, or
you'll get bashed a good one with a morse code
key.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in news:vmnaife87u3a24
@corp.supernews.com:

just don't EVER speak your mind when it comes to
morse code testing, unless it's to the effect that you
LOVE it and couldn't live without it.

You have to put on the jackboots of the CW police
and march in goosestep with the CW nazis, or
you'll get bashed a good one with a morse code
key.

Clint
KB5ZHT


Hey! Stand up and salute when you say that...

Then shine my boots!


KB7ADL

In article , "Clint"
rattlehead@computronDOTnet writes:


just don't EVER speak your mind when it comes to
morse code testing, unless it's to the effect that you
LOVE it and couldn't live without it.

You have to put on the jackboots of the CW police
and march in goosestep with the CW nazis, or
you'll get bashed a good one with a morse code
key.

Clint
KB5ZHT

OK, Clint. That'll be 20 lashes with a J-38 with a 30" connecting cable.
Take your shirt off and start hugging that pole over there...but put on this
foam-padded jacket first -- I don't wanna hurt my key!

73 de Larry, K3LT

Does this mean the PCTA are more like Colonel Clink, or
Sargeant Schultz?

Clint

--

--

A quote from Paul Cook, a typical "understanding
and tolerant" liberal...

"People like you really have no place in a civilized society although that
same society does try to accommodate you. You're basically an idiot who
takes advantage of what a society has to offer each and every single day
yet
you refuse to acknowledge its cost or its benefits to you. "


Facts are to socialists what crosses are to vampires

--
"Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" wrote in message
et...
"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in news:vmnaife87u3a24
@corp.supernews.com:

just don't EVER speak your mind when it comes to
morse code testing, unless it's to the effect that you
LOVE it and couldn't live without it.

You have to put on the jackboots of the CW police
and march in goosestep with the CW nazis, or
you'll get bashed a good one with a morse code
key.

Clint
KB5ZHT


Hey! Stand up and salute when you say that...

Then shine my boots!


KB7ADL

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...
just don't EVER speak your mind when it comes to
morse code testing, unless it's to the effect that you
LOVE it and couldn't live without it.

You have to put on the jackboots of the CW police
and march in goosestep with the CW nazis, or
you'll get bashed a good one with a morse code
key.

Clint
KB5ZHT



Perhaps if you know nothings, with zero experience in Morse Code had a
clue, it would help.

Dan/W4NTI

OH, you're logic (or lack thereof) is SO easy to beat!
But i'll do it anyway, even though there isn't a challenge in
it.... i'll do it by anology.



Oh bull....you are so advocating something.

yes, i'm advocating changes to the LAW, not directly
to people... a change that is more of a freeing up,
a liberation if you will, than an imposing of ideas
or an order onto people.

I'm advocating the "stopping" of something,
not the "imposing" of an idea onto people.

If you had a law passed that said "everybody must
wear a blue shirt in order to get a job", then, that
is IMPOSING something on somebody, perhaps
against thier will. If you successfully do it, than
you HAVE imposed something upon PEOPLE.

if I, then, advocate removing that law, saying "I
think that a person shouldn't HAVE to wear a
blue shirt, as it's not necissary to do a job.. you
can wear any color shirt you like", how is
that IMPOSING anything on a person?

OH, I get it.. you say that by advocating freedom
of choice, i'm burdening people!

"we shouldn't make people put up with all these
freedoms of decision! we should MAKE them
do what WE think they should do!"

just what does that, or WHO does that, sound
like?

And if your to dumb to know
what it is......your advocating the ellimination of Morse Code from the
Amateur Service. Care to try that again?


and ONCE again, you have revealed the SPIN that the PCTA is
trying to put on people such as myself. People like myself simply
advocate the removal of TESTING. Why do you fellows REFUSE
to ackowledge that? you don't like the idea that we are advocating
freeing up unnecessary legislation and regulation, so you try
to SPIN it into us saying "we want morse code OFF the ham bands!"
and it's not true.

I think you want to frighten people into believing that, because the truth
finds a much better flavor with most people..... but, you won't succeed,
because each and every time you try to spin the issue you will be countered
by others such as I.

REPEAT: I, and most other NCTA's out there, advocate ONLY the
removal of morse code TESTING; not it's ELIMINATION from the
ham band.

See? you're argument fails because you're trying to argue the wrong point.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...
OH, you're logic (or lack thereof) is SO easy to beat!
But i'll do it anyway, even though there isn't a challenge in
it.... i'll do it by anology.



Oh bull....you are so advocating something.

yes, i'm advocating changes to the LAW, not directly
to people... a change that is more of a freeing up,
a liberation if you will, than an imposing of ideas
or an order onto people.

I'm advocating the "stopping" of something,
not the "imposing" of an idea onto people.

If you had a law passed that said "everybody must
wear a blue shirt in order to get a job", then, that
is IMPOSING something on somebody, perhaps
against thier will. If you successfully do it, than
you HAVE imposed something upon PEOPLE.

if I, then, advocate removing that law, saying "I
think that a person shouldn't HAVE to wear a
blue shirt, as it's not necissary to do a job.. you
can wear any color shirt you like", how is
that IMPOSING anything on a person?

OH, I get it.. you say that by advocating freedom
of choice, i'm burdening people!


When a standard must maintained, whether it be a ham license, or a pilots
license, then a test is required. Otherwise the quality goes down.

CW is a tradition in the ARS. It is a valuble mode of communications.
However, it requires a certain amount of dedication and desire to maintain
your ability to work the mode.

In otherwords advocating freedom of choice has nothing to do with getting a
ham license. People SHOULD NOT be able to force a change on the licensing
authorities, based mainly on being too lazy to try to meet the standard.

Why should those of us that have the dedication have to be forced to have
our privlidges reduced by those among us that are too lazy to bother to meet
the standards we did? Should be rejoice at this? I don't think so.



"we shouldn't make people put up with all these
freedoms of decision! we should MAKE them
do what WE think they should do!"

just what does that, or WHO does that, sound
like?

And if your to dumb to know
what it is......your advocating the ellimination of Morse Code from the
Amateur Service. Care to try that again?


and ONCE again, you have revealed the SPIN that the PCTA is
trying to put on people such as myself. People like myself simply
advocate the removal of TESTING. Why do you fellows REFUSE
to ackowledge that? you don't like the idea that we are advocating
freeing up unnecessary legislation and regulation, so you try
to SPIN it into us saying "we want morse code OFF the ham bands!"
and it's not true.


We know that is what you SAY. The reality of the situation is based on the
simple knowledge that human beings will take the easy way. Once CW testing
is elliminated, CW use will eventually dissapear. Folks simply will not
bother to learn it.

I honestly don't think that 5 words per minute is asking too much to gain
access to a large part of the spectrum. I can see your bitch about 20 and
maybe even 13. But for GAWDS sake....5wpm....ANYONE can do that.
Especially with the multiple guess test. Give it a rest. Pay your dues.
Even if it is only half price...or less.


I think you want to frighten people into believing that, because the truth
finds a much better flavor with most people..... but, you won't succeed,
because each and every time you try to spin the issue you will be
countered
by others such as I.

Im not spinning a thing. Im telling the truth and you cain't stand it.


REPEAT: I, and most other NCTA's out there, advocate ONLY the
removal of morse code TESTING; not it's ELIMINATION from the
ham band.

See my comments above...think about it.

Dan/W4NTI


See? you're argument fails because you're trying to argue the wrong point.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...



Perhaps if you know nothings, with zero experience in Morse Code had a
clue, it would help.

Dan/W4NTI



you really have some thick reality filters there, don't you? or, really,
it's not
even reality FILTERS, you have reality MODIFIERS.

I have posted several times in here that I've passed morse code testing,
and my first QSL cards were using the CW mode on 15 meters... and
I still ocassionally use CW.

I just don't believe people should be FORCED to learn it if they don't
want to.

Just who is being more imposing here, somebody who says "you shouldn't
have to do what you don't want to", or "you should do what you are
told and SHUT UP" ??????

I'm matching wits here with an unarmed man.

Clint
KB5ZHT



Attempt you insults all you want to Clint. I still say you know nothing and
have no experience in the mode.

If you don't run over 18wpm consistantly, and are able to sit down and copy
in your head. And have done so for years. Then may statement is true.
You have no concept.

And with you smart assed attitude you never will.

Dan/W4NTI

When a standard must maintained, whether it be a ham license, or a pilots
license, then a test is required. Otherwise the quality goes down.


only if the maintained standard is directly relavent to the operation of
what is
being spoken of.

Adherence to the rules, paying attention to "gentleman's agreements", and
following all the rules and regulations are not mutually inclusive with that
of morse code skill.

If THAT was the fact, the overwhelming number of violaters on the 40 and
75m bands (who were legally licensed, with 13 and 20 wmp code testing)
would NOT have done what they did; it sounded like channel 19
cb for many years before hollingsworth helped to clean it up (more proof
that code testing is NOT a "yahoo filter")


CW is a tradition in the ARS.

as is FM, ssb, AM, etc.....

It is a valuble mode of communications.]

as is FM, ssb, AM, etc...

However, it requires a certain amount of dedication and desire to maintain
your ability to work the mode.

as is FM, ssb, AM, etc...


In otherwords advocating freedom of choice has nothing to do with getting
a
ham license.

I was saying that in response to the accusation that I was forceing an idea
on
somebody; I was doing just the opposite... advocating a greater range
of freedom of choice.

People SHOULD NOT be able to force a change on the licensing
authorities, based mainly on being too lazy to try to meet the standard.

it's a representative republic; the very cornerstone of democracy is that
the people are able to effect change when they feel it necessary for
whatever reason THEY feel. The idea that it's because they're "too lazy
to try to meet the standard" is simply your spin & rhetoric.


Why should those of us that have the dedication have to be forced to have
our privlidges reduced by those among us that are too lazy to bother to
meet
the standards we did?

I wasn't aware that the NCTA crowd was advocating reducing your frequency
priviledges. Or, is that more spin? As far as I know, you and other
licensees
were going to retain all the priviledges they had before the testing reform.

By the way, thak you for including the latter part of the comment, PROVING
I was right... that it all boils down to nothing MORE than "I did it, so
waaaaa
waaaa waaaaa, everybody should have to be forced to do it!!!!!"


Should be rejoice at this? I don't think so.

if it were true, no. But it's not. Your priviledges will not change; you
will be able
to transmit on all the frequencies that you could before the reform.



We know that is what you SAY. The reality of the situation is based on
the
simple knowledge that human beings will take the easy way. Once CW
testing
is elliminated, CW use will eventually dissapear. Folks simply will not
bother to learn it.

OH! so you admit the OTHER half of the AWEFUL truth! it comes down to
you want to FORCE people to do something they don't want to do necessarily
of thier own free will! well, the thing that made america so powerful, such
that
in 200 years +, we have surpassed nations in economic power that have been
on the planet for THOUSANDS of years, was that the free market forces were
allowed to decide what course the market would take... and low and behold,
the united states economic output is one third that of the total of the
ENTIRE
world..... that is, a nation with only 4.5% of the population has an
economic
value of 33% (about 11 trillion out of 34 trillion dollars) that of ALL
nations
combined....

....if people worked morse code ONLY because they were forced to, then
I doubt they would use it at all... that is to say, these same people would
only pass the code test and then not use CW if they really didn't have thier
hearts into it. If that was the ONLY thing keeping CW alive, it would
have died a long time ago. But the bands are full of CW operators that
are using it of thier own free will.

If the free market determines that it no longer wants it, than keeping it
around is tantamount to nothing more than subsidizing a mode of
communications. You will certainly NOT make any more fans or
lovers of the code by MAKING them do it.


I honestly don't think that 5 words per minute is asking too much to gain
access to a large part of the spectrum. I can see your bitch about 20 and
maybe even 13. But for GAWDS sake....5wpm....ANYONE can do that.
Especially with the multiple guess test. Give it a rest. Pay your dues.
Even if it is only half price...or less.

nah, better to work toward removing it, which is inevitable eventually.

Clint
KB5ZHT

Attempt you insults all you want to Clint. I still say you know nothing
and
have no experience in the mode.

i'm glad your ESP classes and crystal ball are working for you. I had no
idea you KNEW so much about me without ever having met me or talked
to me on the air.


If you don't run over 18wpm consistantly, and are able to sit down and
copy
in your head. And have done so for years. Then may statement is true.
You have no concept.

And with you smart assed attitude you never will.

Dan/W4NTI


well, perhaps it's my choice as a ham radio operator and a citizen of this
democratic society NOT to do be proficient at a code speed over 13,
or 18, or 40, or whatever.

Clint
KB5ZHT