JJ wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

Phil Kane wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:08:41 -0700, JJ wrote:


Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page
62...quote:

KEEP TO THE RIGHT

NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances:




[snip]


Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always
keep to the left except for passing.




Huh ?? Comprehension problem? Try "the other left".....

The question wasn't about driving on the left-hand side of the road,
it was about driving on the right-hand side of the center of a road
where traffic flows in both directions, or at the left-hand side of
a one-way road with two or more lanes.



Does anyone know what on earth the original question was in this
thread?


It was something about michael jackson I think. Does he even drive?

Ohhhh don't go there!!! ;^) I just wonder how it evolved into an
expression of passive agressive road rage?


- Mike KB3EIA -

- Mike KB3EIA -

Kim W5TIT wrote:


Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive in
left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for the
benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also.
Seems I'm winning, though...

Not so fast tits.

Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not
someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary)
interpretation, but law.

Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the article.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your note.

Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will
think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you
pegged - jj)

I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 --

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html

+(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the
normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing
conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or
as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway,
unless the operator is:

+(1) passing another vehicle; or
+(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.

This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal
speed of other vehicles."

In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall"
move over.

Write again or anytime

--Bud

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:


Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive
in
left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for
the
benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also.
Seems I'm winning, though...

Not so fast tits.

Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not
someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary)
interpretation, but law.

Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the
article.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your note.

Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will
think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you
pegged - jj)

I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 --

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html

+(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the
normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing
conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or
as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway,
unless the operator is:

+(1) passing another vehicle; or
+(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.

This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal
speed of other vehicles."

In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall"
move over.

Write again or anytime

--Bud


Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal speed
of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct.
That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the
traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be
unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is not
doing anything illegal.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Kim W5TIT wrote:


Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive

in

left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for

the

benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also.
Seems I'm winning, though...

Not so fast tits.


Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not
someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary)
interpretation, but law.

Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the

article.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your note.

Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will
think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you
pegged - jj)

I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 --

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html

+(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the
normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing
conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or
as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway,
unless the operator is:

+(1) passing another vehicle; or
+(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.

This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal
speed of other vehicles."

In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall"
move over.

Write again or anytime

--Bud



Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal speed
of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct.
That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the
traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be
unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is not
doing anything illegal.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

It should be obvious to the most casual of observers that if you are in
the left lane and other traffic is attempting to go faster than you are,
even if you are driving the normal speed, speeding, or whatever, you are
obliged to move to the right lane to let the faster traffic pass. That
is stated pretty plainly. Even if you are going the same speed of the
vehicles in the right lane, you cannot block faster traffic in the left
lane. The law states that the operator of a moving vehicle "*shall*
drive in the *right* hand lane unless the operator is: (1)passing
another vehicle." Pretty plain, if you are in the left lane and going
the same speed as vehicles in the right, then you are not passing, so
you are obliged to move to the right.
I bet that if kimmygirl is in the left lane and approaches a slower
vehicle in that lane she certainly expects them to move over so she can
speed on her merry way.

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"JJ" wrote:

Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of
The Texas Driver's Handbook, page
62...quote:

KEEP TO THE RIGHT

NEVER drive on the left half of the
road in the following instances:

1. When pavement markings prohibit
driving on the left (a "No Passing
Zone").

2. When there are two or more traffic
lanes in one direction. (In other words,
don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words)



Give up on it, JJ. I saw that section too, but it refers to driving on the
opposite side of the highway (note the "left half of the road" above), not
driving in the left lane of a multiple-lane highway (in the left lane of
multiple-lane highway, you wouldn't be on the left half of the overall
road). There simply doesn't appear to be a "left lane only for passing" law
in Texas.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Suggest you read 545.051 of the law in my previous post.

"JJ" wrote:

Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of
The Texas Driver's Handbook, page
62...quote:

KEEP TO THE RIGHT

NEVER drive on the left half of the
road in the following instances:

1. When pavement markings prohibit
driving on the left (a "No Passing
Zone").

2. When there are two or more traffic
lanes in one direction. (In other words,
don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words)


Give up on it, JJ. I saw that section too, but it refers to driving on the
opposite side of the highway (note the "left half of the road" above), not
driving in the left lane of a multiple-lane highway (in the left lane of
multiple-lane highway, you wouldn't be on the left half of the overall
road). There simply doesn't appear to be a "left lane only for passing" law
in Texas.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

JJ, sounds like you found something
that contradicts what Dwight found,
and vice versa. (snip)


Not really. Read my reply to his message. He simply misinterpreted what
was being said.


The point is, there is nothing that my
husband or I have been able to find
in the TAC (Texas Administrative
Code)--which would be the *LAW*.
The manual and words like "should,"
etc., are not laws--they are
suggestions. (snip)


The drivers handbook was written by a government agency to provide
guidence and simplify the laws within Texas. If something is in that
handbook as a "must," you can be fairly certain there is a law somewhere to
back it up.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Kim W5TIT wrote:


Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive

in

left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for

the

benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also.
Seems I'm winning, though...

Not so fast tits.


Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not
someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary)
interpretation, but law.

Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the

article.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your note.

Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will
think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you
pegged - jj)

I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 --

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html

+(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the
normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing
conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or
as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway,
unless the operator is:

+(1) passing another vehicle; or
+(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.

This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal
speed of other vehicles."

In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall"
move over.

Write again or anytime

--Bud



Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal
speed
of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct.
That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the
traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be
unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is
not
doing anything illegal.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

It should be obvious to the most casual of observers that if you are in
the left lane and other traffic is attempting to go faster than you are,
even if you are driving the normal speed, speeding, or whatever, you are
obliged to move to the right lane to let the faster traffic pass. That
is stated pretty plainly. Even if you are going the same speed of the
vehicles in the right lane, you cannot block faster traffic in the left
lane. The law states that the operator of a moving vehicle "*shall*
drive in the *right* hand lane unless the operator is: (1)passing
another vehicle." Pretty plain, if you are in the left lane and going
the same speed as vehicles in the right, then you are not passing, so
you are obliged to move to the right.
I bet that if kimmygirl is in the left lane and approaches a slower
vehicle in that lane she certainly expects them to move over so she can
speed on her merry way.


You are being deliberately obtuse. Kim repeatedly stated that she was going
the same speed as the other cars in the lane that she was in not the lanes
to her right. She was going with the normal flow of traffic in the lane she
was in. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that she was not
blocking traffic in the left lane as she was going at the speed of the
traffic in that lane. That ONE car tries to force her to move over does not
constitute impeding the flow of traffic as the blockhead that is trying to
get her to move over will have to attempt the same maneuver with all the
other cars in the lane.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee D. Flint wrote:


You are being deliberately obtuse. Kim repeatedly stated that she was going
the same speed as the other cars in the lane that she was in not the lanes
to her right. She was going with the normal flow of traffic in the lane she
was in. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that she was not
blocking traffic in the left lane as she was going at the speed of the
traffic in that lane.

If other traffic behind her is attempting to go faster than she is, she
*is* blocking traffic unless she is passing traffic in the right lane.

That ONE car tries to force her to move over does not
constitute impeding the flow of traffic as the blockhead that is trying to
get her to move over will have to attempt the same maneuver with all the
other cars in the lane.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Stop trying to make something complicated out of a simple Texas law. If
kim or anyone else is in the left lane, they are obligated to move to
the right for any faster traffic. The law plainly states that if you are
in the left lane and not passing other traffic you should be in the
right lane. As long as she is passing the other traffic in the right
lane, then being in the left lane is where she should be, but as soon as
she passes the traffic in the right lane she should move over to the
right to let faster traffic pass. What is so hard for you and kim to
understand about that?

"JJ" wrote:

Suggest you read 545.051 of the law in
my previous post.


I've read it, JJ. Instead, I suggest you read it again because you've
misinterpreted what it says. Section 545.051(a) refers to driving on the
opposite side of the highway - the side for traffic traveling in the
opposite direction. Section 545.051(b) refers to driving in the right lane
if moving slower than other traffic. But, again, absolutely nothing says
the left lane is only for passing - nothing says a person can't drive in the
left lane on a multiple-lane highway when not interfering with the flow of
traffic.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/