Kim W5TIT wrote:




JJ, there is a line in that *commentary* in the newspaper article you
referred to: something about the signs that say Left Lane for Passing Only.
Well, I'll look on my way in to the office in the morning but, as far as I
can remember, there is not one sign in the 32 mile stretch of highway that I
travel that says anything about "Left Lane for Passing Only."

Kim W5TIT

Well, I knew you should have gotten you kids to read it to you, here is
another quote from the article.

*************************************
Until 1997, the messages along Texas' divided highways were passive:

SLOWER TRAFFIC

KEEP RIGHT

Since 1997, those signs are being replaced with a more direct command:

LEFT LANE FOR

PASSING ONLY

The law is not new.

Only the signs are new.
*************************

Notice is says the signs *are being replaced*. It does not say all the
signs have been replaced so just because you don't see it on your little
32 mile stretch of road out of the 76,986 miles of highway in Texas,
dosen't mean there aren't any signs that say "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING
ONLY". I have seen them. There are over 1 million highway signs along
Texas roadways and a lot of them are the signs in question to be
replaced. I am sure they will get to your 32 miles someday.

I also call your attention to the last two lines, the law has always
been the left lane is for passing only, only the signs are being changed
to better express what some have a hard time understanding. So even if
you don't see the signs, the law still applies. I haven't seen a Texas
driver's written test in a long time but I would not be suprised that a
question about this very subject is there and is something you should
know even without a sign to remind you. Maybe on your 32 mile stetch of
road they will need a sign every mile or two to keep you reminded.

You remind me of the blond gal that collasped on the sidewalk. Several
came to her aid and someone noticed she was wearing earphones attatched
to a small cd player. In the process of attempting to help her the
earphones were removed and she suddenly expired. Someone picked up the
earphones to see what she was listening to and heard, "breath
in...breath out...breath in...breath out."

Kim W5TIT wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

JJ wrote:


Dee D. Flint wrote:


"JJ" wrote in message
...


Dwight Stewart wrote:




In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed

limit,


so


laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the
flow


of


traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token,


slower


drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of


traffic


(if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't


defend


the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic


either.


I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On


multiple


lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is
one of


the


most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all


highway


speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that


bunching


up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to
move to


the


right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the


slower


vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes,

even


if


some are speeding.


W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide

if

someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the

left

lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is
obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the
authorities to take care of the speeder.



From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying

to

disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same
speed
as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then
trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over

for

him/her.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower
traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple.


Until 1977 the road signs in Texas read, "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT",
those signs are being replaced with "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY". How
much clearer than that can it be? Even Kim should be able to grasp the
concept of that.
It is all spelled out in the Star Telegram article.



Slower than who or what? Slower than the flow of traffic ahead, or the
traffic behind? Slower than most of the drivers on the road, or slower than
the fewer drivers on the road (who are speeding faster)? A sign that simply
says "slower traffic keep right" is pretty darned ambiguous.

Kim W5TIT


If traffic in the lane you are in is travling faster than you and you
have a lane to the right, you are obliged to move to the right. It isn't
that hard to understand. However for those like you who seem to have a
difficult time with that concept is why they are changing the signs to
read, "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY."

Kim W5TIT wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

JJ wrote:


Kim W5TIT wrote:

This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for

mere

words to turn into action...

Kim W5TIT



So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the
law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude?


I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask
you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school zone?



JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because
you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot.

Like you haven't been. Must be hitting a nerve.

The
fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast as
the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is
about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it somewhere
else...

I ask a valid question and here you fly off the handle and start with
the vulgar suggestions.

Now to answer the question I ask of you and another poster. I don't know
about other states, but in Texas you can go only as fast as any other
vehicle in the zone at or below the posted limit. If another vehicle in
the zone is going 10 mph, then you may go no faster than that vehicle.
In other words, no passing in a school zone. If you are the only vehicle
in the zone, then what ever the limit is is valid unless unusual
conditions dictate otherwise.

"JJ" wrote in message
...

You remind me of the blond gal that collasped on the sidewalk. Several
came to her aid and someone noticed she was wearing earphones attatched
to a small cd player. In the process of attempting to help her the
earphones were removed and she suddenly expired. Someone picked up the
earphones to see what she was listening to and heard, "breath
in...breath out...breath in...breath out."


You can't get any more creative than using a washed up old cliche joke? Oh,
I forgot, you *are* from Texas, so that would be all you're capable of...

Kim W5TIT

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

JJ wrote:


Kim W5TIT wrote:

This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for

mere

words to turn into action...

Kim W5TIT



So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the
law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude?


I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask
you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school
zone?



JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because
you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot.

Like you haven't been. Must be hitting a nerve.

The
fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast
as
the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is
about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it
somewhere
else...

I ask a valid question and here you fly off the handle and start with
the vulgar suggestions.

Now to answer the question I ask of you and another poster. I don't know
about other states, but in Texas you can go only as fast as any other
vehicle in the zone at or below the posted limit. If another vehicle in
the zone is going 10 mph, then you may go no faster than that vehicle.
In other words, no passing in a school zone. If you are the only vehicle
in the zone, then what ever the limit is is valid unless unusual
conditions dictate otherwise.


Whoopee....so what does that have to do with anything that has been being
discussed about multiple lane highway traffic and, specifically, traveling
in the left-lane at above posted speed limits?

What it took you several words to say is this: in Texas (at least) you may
not pass another vehicle in an active school zone. So, genius, how 'bout ya
explain where you were going with this? Oh forget it, I forgot you
can't...never mind.

Kim W5TIT

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Dwight Stewart wrote:



In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed
limit,

so

laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the
flow

of

traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token,

slower

drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of

traffic

(if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't

defend

the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic

either.

I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On

multiple

lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one
of

the

most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all

highway

speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that

bunching

up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move
to

the

right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the

slower

vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even

if

some are speeding.

W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if
someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left
lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is
obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the
authorities to take care of the speeder.



From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying
to
disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same
speed
as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then
trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over
for
him/her.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower
traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple.


I don't see what's so hard to understand about the law. No one is supposed
to exceed the speed limit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

We also have a problem that sometimes mandates driving regularly in the
leftmost lane in some areas.

Ahh, Dee, ya beat me to it.

We have a lot of left side freeway exits.
Sometimes traffic is heavy enough that you'd better get into that left lane
at least 5 miles before you get to the exit or you will never be able to get
over to it.

Same here in EPA. In fact we have both lefthand off-ramps and on-ramps
to major divided highways. Usually you need to get over as soon as the
first advance sign shows up (usually 2 miles out).

btw, there's a way to tell from the advance sign whether it's a left-
or right-hand offramp.....

For example, if you're going west out of Philly on the Schuylkill
Expressway (I-76) and you want to go south on the Blue Route (I-476),
it's a left-hand exit and you are warned 2 miles out.

You better hit the ramp at no more than about 35 because it's sharp
and of rapidly decreasing radius. And it comes up fast.

Someone in the left lane approaching that exit cannot move over
because they won't get back in time.

On top of that, many of the divided highways (like most of I-76 east
of Valley Forge) around here are only 4 lanes (2 each direction) and
if everyone stayed to the right there'd be no end of delays. And there
would be lots of accidents and delays at on-ramps.

So we tend to use all lanes. Slower folks *usually* stay to the right,
but not always, because there may be a reason for them to be on the
left.

One reason our roads are like this is the terrain.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Kim W5TIT wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message
...

Kim W5TIT wrote:


"JJ" wrote in message
...


JJ wrote:



Kim W5TIT wrote:

This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for

mere


words to turn into action...

Kim W5TIT



So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the
law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude?


I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask
you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school

zone?


JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because
you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot.

Like you haven't been. Must be hitting a nerve.


The
fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast

as

the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is
about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it

somewhere

else...

I ask a valid question and here you fly off the handle and start with
the vulgar suggestions.

Now to answer the question I ask of you and another poster. I don't know
about other states, but in Texas you can go only as fast as any other
vehicle in the zone at or below the posted limit. If another vehicle in
the zone is going 10 mph, then you may go no faster than that vehicle.
In other words, no passing in a school zone. If you are the only vehicle
in the zone, then what ever the limit is is valid unless unusual
conditions dictate otherwise.



Whoopee....so what does that have to do with anything that has been being
discussed about multiple lane highway traffic and, specifically, traveling
in the left-lane at above posted speed limits?

What it took you several words to say is this: in Texas (at least) you may
not pass another vehicle in an active school zone. So, genius, how 'bout ya
explain where you were going with this? Oh forget it, I forgot you
can't...never mind.

Kim W5TIT


JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me.

So much for that, and I really had my hopes up.

"JJ" wrote:

(snip) You remind me of the blond gal
that collasped on the sidewalk. Several
came to her aid and someone noticed
she was wearing earphones attatched
to a small cd player. In the process of
attempting to help her the earphones
were removed and she suddenly expired.
Someone picked up the earphones to
see what she was listening to and heard,
"breath in...breath out...breath in...
breath out."


My wife and I both had a good laugh over that, JJ. Not necessarily at
Kim's expense, just blonds in general. Thanks.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote:

Minimum Speed Limit:
I. No person shall drive so slowly
as to impede the normal and
reasonable movement of traffic.
Tran. Code §545.363(a)
II. A person, driving at less than the
normal speed of traffic, shall drive in
the right-hand lane then available for
traffic or as close as practicable to
the right-hand curb or edge of the
roadway. Tran. Code §545.051(b)

Cool. I'll check that website out. However,
the two above put me legal driving in the left
lane--since I am traveling at the speed that
the *majority* of drivers are driving in the
left hand lane, which makes *that* the flow
of traffic--with the people desiring to blast
passed all of us in the wrong; they are going
against the flow (at least in my opinion).


If that interpretation were really true, the slowest vehicle in the left
lane would set the flow of traffic (even if only ten mph) since all the
others behind that vehicle are now going the same speed. Clearly, there is
something wrong with that interpretation, isn't there? In reality, if there
are two or three vehicles behind you who want to go faster, you're impeding
the flow of traffic.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/