"JJ" wrote:

(snip) The law plainly states that if you are
in the left lane and not passing other traffic
you should be in the right lane. (snip)


It clearly doesn't say that, JJ. Instead, it says, "An operator of a
vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other
vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive in
the right-hand lane available for vehicles." In other words, the only time
one must absolutely be in the right lane of a multiple-lane highway is when
moving more slowly than other vehicles. This clearly supports the idea that
one must move to the right to let others pass, but it doesn't support your
premise that on must always drive in the right lane.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"JJ" wrote:

Suggest you read 545.051 of the law in
my previous post.



I've read it, JJ. Instead, I suggest you read it again because you've
misinterpreted what it says. Section 545.051(a) refers to driving on the
opposite side of the highway - the side for traffic traveling in the
opposite direction.

Yes it does, but we are talking about a multiple lane road which item
(b) deals with.

Section 545.051(b) refers to driving in the right lane
if moving slower than other traffic. But, again, absolutely nothing says
the left lane is only for passing - nothing says a person can't drive in the
left lane on a multiple-lane highway when not interfering with the flow of
traffic.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


If there are no other vehicles in the left lane then no, you do not have
to move to the right lane. But what started this argument is kimmygirl
saying that just because someone comes up behind her wanting to go
faster than she is dosen't mean she has to yield by moving to the right.

Here are her exact words from her posting of 12/2/03.

"It's fine for them to go 20 mph above the speed limit. It's fine if
they want to go 30-40 mph above the speed limit. But, they won't find
me moving out of their way; they'll have to go around because I am not
moving into a lane where I have to slow down, or even get "stuck" there
for a while, if there happens to be more than one vehicle that wants to
go past."

So her take is she has a perfect right to set in the left lane because
she dosen't have to yield to faster traffic. As long as she is passing
traffic to the right OK, but when she has passed the traffic to the
right she is obligated by the law to move to the right and yield to the
faster traffic, even if she thinks they are speeding. If she is going as
fast or slower than the traffic to the right then she is not passing
and, as the law plainly states, she should move to the right lane to
yield to any faster traffic. In plain words the law says, drive to the
right and pass to the left and if you are in the left lane, yield to
faster traffic by moving to the right. Very simple.

"JJ" wrote:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
Section 545.051(b) refers to driving
in the right lane if moving slower than
other traffic. But, again, absolutely
nothing says the left lane is only for
passing - nothing says a person can't
drive in the left lane on a multiple-lane
highway when not interfering with the
flow of traffic.

If there are no other vehicles in the
left lane then no, you do not have
to move to the right lane. But what
started this argument is kimmygirl
saying that... (snip)


That may be what started this discussion, but I was responding to your
comments posted 12/23/03 (6:08 PM), in which you said....

"Sounds pretty simple, the left lane
is for passing, you should always
keep to the right except for passing."

As noted above, nothing in Section 545.051 supports that position. A
person can drive in the left lane, even without passing, as long as there is
no interference with the flow of traffic.

Notice that the words "left" and "right" were corrected in the 12/23/03
quote to reflect your stated intent (you had reversed those two words in the
original message, but corrected that in a follow-up message).

Merry Christmas, JJ. After posting this, I'm going to sit back and drink
some hot chocolate while listening to some good Christmas music. After that,
perhaps I'll go back to bed for a few hours (that bed was mighty warm and
comfortable).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article , JJ
writes:

If there are no other vehicles in the left lane then no, you do not have
to move to the right lane. But what started this argument is kimmygirl
saying that just because someone comes up behind her wanting to go
faster than she is dosen't mean she has to yield by moving to the right.

Exactly!

Here are her exact words from her posting of 12/2/03.

"It's fine for them to go 20 mph above the speed limit. It's fine if
they want to go 30-40 mph above the speed limit. But, they won't find
me moving out of their way; they'll have to go around because I am not
moving into a lane where I have to slow down, or even get "stuck" there
for a while, if there happens to be more than one vehicle that wants to
go past."

So her take is she has a perfect right to set in the left lane because
she dosen't have to yield to faster traffic. As long as she is passing
traffic to the right OK, but when she has passed the traffic to the
right she is obligated by the law to move to the right and yield to the
faster traffic, even if she thinks they are speeding.

*IF* there is someone behind who wants to go faster.

If she is going as
fast or slower than the traffic to the right then she is not passing
and, as the law plainly states, she should move to the right lane to
yield to any faster traffic. In plain words the law says, drive to the
right and pass to the left and if you are in the left lane, yield to
faster traffic by moving to the right. Very simple.

Not exactly, but close. How about this:

"When there are multiple lanes for the same direction, slower traffic must keep
to the right unless an exception as listed below applies. 'Slower traffic'
refers to any vehicle that is impeding the flow of traffic behind it.

Exceptions:

- When a vehicle has to be in a certain lane(s) to exit, enter or turn.
- When a vehicle has to avoid certain lane(s) that require an exit or turn.
- When dividers, signs, road markings or other traffic control devices prohibit
changing lanes.
- In any emergency situation"

The above isn't from any traffic code, it's just my interpretation. But do you
see any holes in it?

Reading all these posts has convinced me that intentionally blocking the left
lane on a multilane divided highway just to avoid letting others pass (and
having to slow down oneself) is a violation of the Texas laws as written - even
if both the passer is speeding.

In fact, in the case Kim describes, I would not be surprised if the LEOs pulled
over both cars and wrote multiple violations for speeding, impeding the flow of
traffic and following too closely. And that's the short list.

So my advice remains: Move over and let the "idiot" go past.

--

Dwight has the right idea. Turkey's in the oven, fresh cup of tea is waiting
for me. Perfect running weather this morning, I was out for 40 minutes.

Merry Christmas to all

73 de Jim, N2EY

JJ wrote:
Dee D. Flint wrote:


You are being deliberately obtuse. Kim repeatedly stated that she was
going
the same speed as the other cars in the lane that she was in not the
lanes
to her right. She was going with the normal flow of traffic in the
lane she
was in. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that she was
not
blocking traffic in the left lane as she was going at the speed of the
traffic in that lane.


If other traffic behind her is attempting to go faster than she is, she
*is* blocking traffic unless she is passing traffic in the right lane.

That ONE car tries to force her to move over does not

constitute impeding the flow of traffic as the blockhead that is
trying to
get her to move over will have to attempt the same maneuver with all the
other cars in the lane.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Stop trying to make something complicated out of a simple Texas law. If
kim or anyone else is in the left lane, they are obligated to move to
the right for any faster traffic. The law plainly states that if you are
in the left lane and not passing other traffic you should be in the
right lane. As long as she is passing the other traffic in the right
lane, then being in the left lane is where she should be, but as soon as
she passes the traffic in the right lane she should move over to the
right to let faster traffic pass. What is so hard for you and kim to
understand about that?


psst..... think about failure to yield....

- Mike KB3EIA -

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:


Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive
in
left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for
the
benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also.
Seems I'm winning, though...

Not so fast tits.


OK, Dick-less...


Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not
someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary)
interpretation, but law.

Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the
article.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your note.

Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will
think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you
pegged - jj)


Well, JJ, maybe your columnist thinks he knows everything, but I think he's
wrong on his assessment of the law, here.
And, while I'm at it...since you're so obsessed with my tits, perhaps you
can't think clearly enough...

You have it your way, I'll have it mine. And, if I ever get a ticket for
driving the way I do and will continue to do...I'll let ya know...

Kim W5TIT

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Kim W5TIT wrote:


Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive

in

left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for

the

benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also.
Seems I'm winning, though...

Not so fast tits.


Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not
someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary)
interpretation, but law.

Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the

article.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your note.

Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will
think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you
pegged - jj)

I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 --

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html

+(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the
normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing
conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or
as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway,
unless the operator is:

+(1) passing another vehicle; or
+(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.

This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal
speed of other vehicles."

In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall"
move over.

Write again or anytime

--Bud



Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal
speed
of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct.
That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the
traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be
unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is
not
doing anything illegal.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

It should be obvious to the most casual of observers that if you are in
the left lane and other traffic is attempting to go faster than you are,
even if you are driving the normal speed, speeding, or whatever, you are
obliged to move to the right lane to let the faster traffic pass. That
is stated pretty plainly. Even if you are going the same speed of the
vehicles in the right lane, you cannot block faster traffic in the left
lane. The law states that the operator of a moving vehicle "*shall*
drive in the *right* hand lane unless the operator is: (1)passing
another vehicle." Pretty plain, if you are in the left lane and going
the same speed as vehicles in the right, then you are not passing, so
you are obliged to move to the right.
I bet that if kimmygirl is in the left lane and approaches a slower
vehicle in that lane she certainly expects them to move over so she can
speed on her merry way.


You really *are* ignoring pertinent facts to this discussion. I've said
more than a couple/few times that if I come up behind someone who is going a
slower speed than me, I simply maintain the distance between us at a slower
speed. I leave in plenty of time to arrive at places I need to be; so I
don't need to act like an idiot behind someone else...

Maybe you drive the way I am describing...huh? Is that why you are having
such a problem? You're useless...never mind...

Kim W5TIT

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

"JJ" wrote in message

It should be obvious to the most casual of observers that if you are in
the left lane and other traffic is attempting to go faster than you are,
even if you are driving the normal speed, speeding, or whatever, you are
obliged to move to the right lane to let the faster traffic pass. That
is stated pretty plainly. Even if you are going the same speed of the
vehicles in the right lane, you cannot block faster traffic in the left
lane. The law states that the operator of a moving vehicle "*shall*
drive in the *right* hand lane unless the operator is: (1)passing
another vehicle." Pretty plain, if you are in the left lane and going
the same speed as vehicles in the right, then you are not passing, so
you are obliged to move to the right.
I bet that if kimmygirl is in the left lane and approaches a slower
vehicle in that lane she certainly expects them to move over so she can
speed on her merry way.


You are being deliberately obtuse. Kim repeatedly stated that she was
going
the same speed as the other cars in the lane that she was in not the lanes
to her right. She was going with the normal flow of traffic in the lane
she
was in. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that she was not
blocking traffic in the left lane as she was going at the speed of the
traffic in that lane. That ONE car tries to force her to move over does
not
constitute impeding the flow of traffic as the blockhead that is trying to
get her to move over will have to attempt the same maneuver with all the
other cars in the lane.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Oh, they do!! They do. And, you describe it correctly, Dee. I am with the
flow of traffic in the speeders lane--those of us who are already (usually)
well above the speed limit. Then, some bozo will come up from behind,
barreling faster than we are, and want every single one of us to move as
he/she proceeds forward. As I have observed most other drivers also feel
the same way I do--becuase few if any move. The faster speeder usually ends
up moving to the right when they get a break, zooms up and squeezes into a
space the length of a Volkswagon, with a dooly four-door pickup truck!!!

The really funny part is, when they get closer to town? We all catch up,
usually toot and wave as we drive past because they've now gotten themselves
stuck over in the right hand lane... I know, it's not nice to gloat... but
it sure is satisfying!

Kim W5TIT

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...

"JJ" wrote:

(snip) The law plainly states that if you are
in the left lane and not passing other traffic
you should be in the right lane. (snip)


It clearly doesn't say that, JJ. Instead, it says, "An operator of a
vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other
vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive
in
the right-hand lane available for vehicles." In other words, the only time
one must absolutely be in the right lane of a multiple-lane highway is
when
moving more slowly than other vehicles. This clearly supports the idea
that
one must move to the right to let others pass, but it doesn't support your
premise that on must always drive in the right lane.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Your cornfusing (misspelled deliberately) him with facts, Dwight. :)

Kim W5TIT

Kim W5TIT wrote:

And, while I'm at it...since you're so obsessed with my tits, perhaps you
can't think clearly enough...

Lets see now, you pick that call sign and you think I am obsessed with
your breasts? Looks like you are more obsessed with them than anyone else.