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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net... "JEP" wrote: Service means just that. Broadcasters have to do public service to keep broadcastings. Why do you think they do PSA's. No money involved, they do it free. (snip) Nonsense. I just love how you so cavalierly proclaim other's opinions and/or statements as "nonsense." Kim was right on target re. same. What public service is performed by those in the Citizens Band Radio Service? Gee, the Office of Homeland Security disagrees with you, Dwight. Should your statement be labeled as "nonsense" or just plain "ignorant?" The newsgroups "rec.radio.shortwave" and "rec.radio.cb" were again deleted from this reply (off-topic in those newsgroups). Good call. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) 73 de Bert WA2SI |
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote:
I'll play a bit of "Devil's Advocate" here, Dwight... There are some very well respected REACT teams utilizing GMRS which is, unfortunately, "Citizen's Band". (ie: Crest REACT in SoCal) (snip) And the efforts of REACT and its members are commendable. However, any public service performed is informal in nature, not the result of any regulatory stipulation imposed by the FCC or federal government. There is nothing in part 95 that mandates public service like that found in part 97. He is, at the very least, predisposed to trying to disparge the Amateur Service. Facts undermine his attack, however. But he obviously has no desire to listen to, or accept, facts. Therefore, an ongoing exchange simply isn't worthwhile, and may be counterproductive if it provides him with a medium to rant against this radio service. Instead, I'll wait for something worthwhile to respond to, such as an argument that may be taken seriously by others. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote Facts undermine his attack, however. The facts are this: If amateur radio had to justify it's frequency allocations based only on public service communications (Part 97, SubPart E), then we'd be QRT on most of our frequencies by midnight tonight. The amateur radio service, the citizens (band) radio service, the GMRS, the FRS, the broadcast radio service, and etc., all exist and are allocated frequencies so long as PICON says they do. PICON is a lot more than just "public service", and further it is dynamic so any given services "favor" under PICON is subject to spectrum market forces, and is influenced most strongly by the "I" and "N" in PICON. As a hypothetical example, if Tom Ridge decided he needs ("N") some HF spectrum to communicate with air marshalls, 50KHz each of 75, 40, 30, and 20 meters could disappear from 97.301 in the blink of an eye. Thus endeth the lesson. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Brian wrote: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian) writes: "KØHB" wrote in message . earthlink.net... "Len Over 21" wrote Anything said against YOUR PLAN is worthless, illogical, inconsequential, irresponsible, irrelevant, etc., etc., etc. I knew you'd agree with me. 73, de Hans, K0HB I just happen to agree with Hans' plan. Allow the amateur to distinguish him or herself through actions rather than an FCC forced march. While I agree on the generality of that, such is impossible under the present-day Class Distinction Rules of US amateur radio. ALL perceived expertise is judged by the "amateur community" as demonstrated by the fancy-bordered license (suitable for framing) from the federal government. The Amateur Extra is the epitome of excellence. Once achieved, nothing else need be learned. Education ends. You have been told by his Most High Excellency, the Dill Instructor. All learning comes through having tiers and tiers of classes, of distinctions (enforced by law) right along with the social need of call letters written behind the name to signify a "title" all may see (and admire, respect) as if it is a dukedom, barony, or other noble rank. That is VERY IMPORTANT. Do not criticize any statements of the ruling classes of the "community." US amateur radio seems to have ceased being a hobby, an avocational activity done for personal recreation. It has become a LIFESTYLE...a True Belief. cut to stock shot of Rod Serling and signpost up ahead, voice sign-off by Rod...up theme and take black... LHA And poor Mike is getting beat up for saying the W1AW signal was too wide. It has to be me! 8^) I've done enough post testing on this to be pretty sure that it isn't me though. The Waterfall screen in Digipan functions pretty nicely as a poor man's analyzer. The signal was putting "crap" all over the place. I wasn't the only person who noticed the problem. I was not able to duplicate anything like the problem with the RTTY contest, which had many strong signals, and should have been worse if my reciever was overloading. I'm impressed with how nicely the old 745 performs. The problem - whatever it was - was in the W1AW signal. It's extremely hard to believe that W1AW could ever foul up. They are so Perfect! You must have been out of the shack, watching Reality shows too much! LHA |
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Stewart" writes: "Kim W5TIT" wrote: Unfortunately, I believe I have heard the story of which Jim speaks...or at least one exactly like it. (snip) Okay, I'll try one more time. Please read back over what I've said. Nothing was said by me about a denial of license based on other grounds. We were talking about license testing and everything I said had to do with license testing. What does Jim's story have to do with license testing? Instead, not able to respond to the actual question raised (character testing within the license tests), Jim has deceitfully, but clearly successfully, introduced another subject (denial of license) to undermine my earlier statements about license testing. No one in this newsgroup is allowed to maintain a civil debate. It should be a fact of life in this venue that morse code testing is a vital necessity to show the strength of character to the Amateur Community. Has nothing to do with federal regulations. It is all about mindset and flights of fantasy. LHA |
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(somebody anonymous) writes: "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message rthlink.net... "JEP" wrote: (snip) Amateur Radio as a service is gone. It is only self serving now. Not a service but a high priced hobby. After all, it is called the Amateur Radio Service. First, you're obviously confused about the word "service." In FCC terminology, "service" refers to a group of frequencies meant to serve a particular purpose for the users of those frequencies, not anything done by the users of those frequencies. As a result, we have the Amateur Radio Service, Radio Broadcast Services, Cable TV Relay Service, Maritime Service, Personal Radio Services, Citizens Band Radio Service, Fixed Microwave Services, and so on through a long list of other radio services. In other words, the word "service" in Amateur Radio Service does not refer to any "service" we might provide to others. Second, you're completely wrong about "service" being gone within the Amateur Radio community. Based on what I've seen, I'd estimate as much as 75% of the current operators are involved in some form of public service related activity in any given year. Of course, the need for our help is high, meaning even more should become involved, but that hardly suggests the idea of service is gone today. The newsgroups "rec.radio.shortwave" and "rec.radio.cb" were deleted from this reply (off-topic in those newsgroups). Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Service means just that. No. All throughout Title 47 C.F.R., the word "service" is a regulatory term denoting a type and kind of radio activity. Broadcasters have to do public service to keep broadcastings. It's the law. Why do you think they do PSA's. No money involved, they do it free. Yes, in the wee small hours when their air rates are absolutely lowest. Amateur operators operate uder the same subset of rules. Incorrect. Contact the FCC and have them explain the different radio services and which Parts are applicable to their radio service. Copies of all Parts are available free for download from the US Government Printing Office website (through a link at the FCC webpage). If they don't provide a public service when called they have no reason for being. Look up the Radio Control Radio Service in Part 95, Title 47 C.F.R. Absolutely NO "public service" required there...yet the R-Cers lobbied for and got a whole band of frequencies just for them. You also would have to prove that 75% of the amareurs provide a public service. They do by maintaining a national pool of trained radio operators, aka Morsemen. This is a vital, necessary public service to save the world when aliens invade from outer space, disasters incapacitate all the emergency service infrastructure (only CW can work under such conditions), and when time machines are invented to transport all morsemen back to 1917 or 1943 and win foreign wars. LHA |
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(Brian) writes: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message .com... (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... That gives him absolute permission to behave as an asshole off the radio. No problem. Again with the profanities, Lennie? Len, what's going on here? There were no outrages when Hans just called someone an a-hole. It's "noblesse oblige" oriented, Brian. The "upper classes" and royalty get to swear, vomit profanities, demean and denigrate the lower classes because they all passed 20 WPM code tests. It's the blue blood of the ruling amateurs. If you don't admire and love and cherish their noble accomplishments, they turn blue and use blue language. None others may do the same to them. Maybe not blue, it's more like they are inviolate. Stebe gets all red in the face and insists all are green with envy for not being able to "radiate RF at great power" somehow allowed to him alone. He's not yellow, doesn't shirk from trying (vainly) to defend himself when he pales on thinking he's been insulted. Of course, any former E-5 or higher that thinks "asshole" is a terribly profane word must be of the sissy pink coloring. It's a gray area... LHA |
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