In article , "Steve Stone"
writes:

That deemphasis has already occurred. The no-code tech was instituted in
the late 1980s and the code for the higher classes was dropped to only
5wpm
in 2000. There is no need for further deemphasis. Particularly when the
stated reason was attract technically inclined people. That hasn't
happened
so the reason for deemphasis has been proven to be invalid.


Get the foul mouthed red necked yahoos off of HF and I'll consider wasting
my time to learn CW to meet and exceed your criteria.

What mode are those "foul mouthed yahoos" using? It isn't CW.....

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Leo
writes:

I wonder if W1AW pre-records their CW material in audio format, then
broadcasts it as a modulated SSB signal - would that not stretch the
signal bandwidth out considerably?

Yes, but that's not how it's done.

Anyone know if this might be the case?

Here's how it was when I visited in 1993:

The W1AW main transmitters are Harris transceivers and amplifiers, all computer
controlled from a master console in the little building out in front of Hq.
Bulletin and code practice texts are sent over the network from the
headquarters building and the local computer keys all the rigs simultaneously.
(Text-to-Morse conversion is done in the local computer).

Of course a faulty command from the computer, a bad cable or problem in one of
the "professional grade" rigs could wreak all kinds of havoc.

But they don't feed audio into the rigs for Morse or RTTY.

73 de Jim, N2EY

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote


Some might have to take off from work to take the test. Some may have
to drive long distances to take it. I drove 70 miles each way for my
Tech license, and 150 each way for my General, I took the Element 1 in
my home town, and my Extra in a town 50 miles away, because they were on
dates that I could get away.



Life's a bitch and then you die and they give your callsign away.

Sure enough! But.... Lenover21 is right about one thing.

From Lenover21:
Anything said against YOUR PLAN is worthless, illogical,
inconsequential, irresponsible, irrelevant, etc., etc., etc.

Back to me:

If I were a qrp'er, I would surely be peeved under the circumstances.
Heck if I were to be happy with 50 Watts power, I probably wouldn't be
too happy about the situation, having to retest or lose my license.

Perhaps it would be better if everyone were to just tell you that the
plan was the best thing they ever saw?

- Mike KB3EIA -

N2EY wrote:

In article , "Steve Stone"
writes:


That deemphasis has already occurred. The no-code tech was instituted in
the late 1980s and the code for the higher classes was dropped to only

5wpm

in 2000. There is no need for further deemphasis. Particularly when the
stated reason was attract technically inclined people. That hasn't

happened

so the reason for deemphasis has been proven to be invalid.


Get the foul mouthed red necked yahoos off of HF and I'll consider wasting
my time to learn CW to meet and exceed your criteria.


What mode are those "foul mouthed yahoos" using? It isn't CW.....

That I believe, would be foul fisted. 8^)

I'm having trouble grasping the logic that says to effect: "I don't like
the way people talk, so I won't communicate with the people that don't
use voice"

- Mike KB3EIA -

"N2EY" wrote

What mode are those "foul mouthed yahoos" using? It isn't CW.....

Jim obviously isn't a DX'er, or he'd know about the infamous "pileup police"
shenanigans regularly heard around 14.023 +/-. I could send you some .wav
files that aren't even fit to air on rrap.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Mike Coslo" wrote


Perhaps it would be better if everyone were to just tell you that the
plan was the best thing they ever saw?


A lot of people have told me exactly that, but I'm sure there are some who
share your view that I'm out to lunch. Life's a bitch, and then I'll die
and they'll give my call sign away.

73, de Hans "He's not a nice man", K0HB

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

Unfortunately, I believe I have heard
the story of which Jim speaks...or at
least one exactly like it. (snip)


Okay, I'll try one more time. Please read back over what I've said.
Nothing was said by me about a denial of license based on other grounds. We
were talking about license testing and everything I said had to do with
license testing. What does Jim's story have to do with license testing?
Instead, not able to respond to the actual question raised (character
testing within the license tests), Jim has deceitfully, but clearly
successfully, introduced another subject (denial of license) to undermine my
earlier statements about license testing.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Bert Craig" wrote:

I hate to say it, Jim, but this is one
of those intangibles that fall under
the catagory of "if you don't get it,
I can't explain it to you."

Kim's got it, but doesn't like it. I
can respect that. Bill's got it too,
but doesn't appear to want to let
on that he's got it. (Broken record
mode: But the FCC..., but the
FCC..., but the FCC...) Dwight?
No comment.


Excuse me, Bert. Before you continue discussing whether I "get" something
or not, read back over what I've actually said and notice that absolutely
none of it had anything whatsoever to do with the separate issue raised by
Jim. We were talking about license testing. My comments had to do with
license testing. Jim changed the subject to license denial based on other
grounds. I've made no comments on that subject.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"JEP" wrote:

Service means just that. Broadcasters
have to do public service to keep
broadcastings. Why do you think they
do PSA's. No money involved, they
do it free. (snip)


Nonsense. What public service is performed by those in the Citizens Band
Radio Service? Or the Family Radio Service? Or what public service,
especially free public service, is provided by the radio services used by
business, commerce, or industry?


(snip) You also would have to prove
that 75% of the amareurs provide a
public service. Lets see, chasing DX,
rag chewing with Barny down the
road and checking the weather
outside. Yep, thats sure public
service-----NOT!


After reading that, it is obvious you have no intent to honestly discuss
the issue. And, since I have no desire to provide you with an opportunity to
spread misinformation, I will refrain from further comment.

The newsgroups "rec.radio.shortwave" and "rec.radio.cb" were again deleted
from this reply (off-topic in those newsgroups).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message thlink.net...
"JEP" wrote:

Service means just that. Broadcasters
have to do public service to keep
broadcastings. Why do you think they
do PSA's. No money involved, they
do it free. (snip)


Nonsense. What public service is performed by those in the Citizens Band
Radio Service? Or the Family Radio Service? Or what public service,
especially free public service, is provided by the radio services used by
business, commerce, or industry?


(snip) You also would have to prove
that 75% of the amareurs provide a
public service. Lets see, chasing DX,
rag chewing with Barny down the
road and checking the weather
outside. Yep, thats sure public
service-----NOT!


After reading that, it is obvious you have no intent to honestly discuss
the issue. And, since I have no desire to provide you with an opportunity to
spread misinformation, I will refrain from further comment.

The newsgroups "rec.radio.shortwave" and "rec.radio.cb" were again deleted
from this reply (off-topic in those newsgroups).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Well sir, you perhaps need to do a little research so you can discuss
this subject. I do see you are well educated but the comments from you
are not entirely correct. The 3 above mentioned groups PAY for their
priviledge. Check the rules. Broadcasters have to do public service as
do hams when called. My last comment on this subject as you will
believe what you will. Kinda figures. A fairly new TECH class ham with
all the answers. Come back 30 years from now and we will talk then. Of
course you will still have that TECH that came out of a corn flakes
box. Not a real Amateur ticket.