Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...

You're *assuming* that everyone who has an opinion on amateur radio
policy issues is interested in amateur radio having the best possible
future. And in most cases that's true - but not when Mr. Anderson is
involved. His behavior here, and his comments to FCC, indicate that
he's *not* interested in what's best for amateur radio. He's just
interested in stirring up division, discord and hostility between
amateurs, diverting them from other issues, and denying amateur
traditions and contributions to society and the radio art.

Inventive Licensing comes to mind as the big divider.

You're probably right. Everyone who holds an amateur ticket likely had
some incentive. Len had none.

Dave K8MN

Of course I'm right! ;^)

Len, like any Americans who've shown an interest in the ARS, have a
disincentive. It is the Morse requirement for HF access.

Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/20/03 9:05 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

You're probably right. Everyone who holds an amateur ticket likely had
some incentive. Len had none.

Dave K8MN

Of course I'm right! ;^)

Len, like any Americans who've shown an interest in the ARS, have a
disincentive. It is the Morse requirement for HF access.

Lennie's "disincentive" had/has NOTHING to do with Morse Code, Brain...It
has to do with having absolutely NO understanding of what Amateur Radio is all
about, what it's purpose and capabilities are, and what it means to be a "part"
of something.

He's ALL about being an antagonist.

The "disincentive" was not an "ARS" or "ARRL" issue...it was a matter of
the United States complying with treaties it was signatory to.

Lennie is a loser. He will never be more than a sideline observer to
Amateur Radio, and he was hardly more than that in his "professional" career.
This I have from people who knew him personally. His "contributions" to
certain Naval projects were more significant when he stayed out of other
people's way and let the REAL engineers do their job unimpeded.

Lennie alledges a "professional" career spanning four decades...Well, An
Amateur Radio license granting access to over 97% of all allocations WITHOUT
Morse Code was available for a fourth of that. So where was Lennie?

Lennie makes issue about how Amateurs allegedly don't "move on" in
technology. Current technology places almost all advances far above the HF
spectrum. The Technician Class license has granted those privileges since
1991. So where was Lennie?

One can only surmise that this "argument" about Morse for HF access is
simply yet another LennieRant for "I don't wanna do it", and nothing else. If
he were a TRUE leader in electrical engineering and technology, he'd be out in
front showing "us" how it's done...But WHERE is he...?!?!

On the sidelines...No plan...No experience...No interest in contibuting to
the program.

Just an observer...never a player.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/20/03 9:05 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

You're probably right. Everyone who holds an amateur ticket likely had
some incentive. Len had none.

Dave K8MN

Of course I'm right! ;^)

Len, like any Americans who've shown an interest in the ARS, have a
disincentive. It is the Morse requirement for HF access.

Lennie's "disincentive" had/has NOTHING to do with Morse Code, Brain...It
has to do with having absolutely NO understanding of what Amateur Radio is all
about, what it's purpose and capabilities are, and what it means to be a "part"
of something.

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.

Brian

Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/21/03 2:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.

Why?

Morse Code is only required for access to less than 3% of all Amateur
allocations, none of which is above 30MHz.

Lennie keeps asserting that the future of Amateur Radio is in the new
technologies, none of which is occuring below 30Mhz.

Lennie ALSO keeps insisting Amateur Radio is "stuck" in the 1930's
somewhere, yet evidence in every media indicates he's grossly mistaken. Also,
the fact that the majority of Amateur Radio activity takes place above 30Mhz
further exposes Lennie's rants for the silliness and antagonistic fodder they
are.

Ask Lennie? I could, but that would just amke the heap of unanswered
questions that much higher.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/21/03 2:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.

Why?

Morse Code is only required for access to less than 3% of all Amateur
allocations, none of which is above 30MHz.

I hope you meant, "most of which...," unless we just got some lowfer
freqs.

Lennie keeps asserting that the future of Amateur Radio is in the new
technologies, none of which is occuring below 30Mhz.

Why not? What have you been doing with that Extra license? I hope
that you haven't been squandering a national resource.

Lennie ALSO keeps insisting Amateur Radio is "stuck" in the 1930's
somewhere, yet evidence in every media indicates he's grossly mistaken.

See the Annual Classic Radio Issue, plus the February, March, April,
May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December
issues.

Also,
the fact that the majority of Amateur Radio activity takes place above 30Mhz
further exposes Lennie's rants for the silliness and antagonistic fodder they
are.

Citation, please.

Ask Lennie? I could, but that would just amke the heap of unanswered
questions that much higher.

Humble yourself.

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/21/03 2:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.

Why?

Morse Code is only required for access to less than 3% of all Amateur
allocations, none of which is above 30MHz.

I hope you meant, "most of which...," unless we just got some lowfer
freqs.

Lennie keeps asserting that the future of Amateur Radio is in the new
technologies, none of which is occuring below 30Mhz.

Why not? What have you been doing with that Extra license? I hope
that you haven't been squandering a national resource.

He's been collecting issues of QST and memorizing every ad.

That way he's going to be a "guru" and "know all about it."


Lennie ALSO keeps insisting Amateur Radio is "stuck" in the 1930's
somewhere, yet evidence in every media indicates he's grossly mistaken.

See the Annual Classic Radio Issue, plus the February, March, April,
May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December
issues.

He might have gotten only to the March issue.

When he got to March he started counting cadence and hasn't
been seen for a while...


Also,
the fact that the majority of Amateur Radio activity takes place above
30Mhz
further exposes Lennie's rants for the silliness and antagonistic fodder
they
are.

Citation, please.

At best all he can do is a parking ticket. :-)


Ask Lennie? I could, but that would just amke the heap of unanswered
questions that much higher.

Humble yourself.

Do not ask the impossible. :-)

LHA

Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/23/03 12:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That way he's going to be a "guru" and "know all about it."

Whatever I know about Amateur Radio is more than you can ever hope to know,
Your Scumminess...

Over 30 years of PRACTICAL experience.

Ask Lennie? I could, but that would just amke the heap of unanswered
questions that much higher.

Humble yourself.

Do not ask the impossible.

Lennie has clearly indicated that he does NOT have the experience in
Amateur Radio to make an informed opinion. His technical knowledge is dubious,
no doubt the off-spring of a well-honed cut-and-paste skill.

My only "humbling" before Lennie would be to not further embarass him with
his own foolishness.

Steve, K4YZ

Brian wrote:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.


You'll pardon our confusion. You've been acting as Len's representative
for a few posts now in speaking of his motivations or lack thereof. I
wasn't aware that you'd turned the controls over to him.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.


You'll pardon our confusion.

Our confusion? Do you have a Frenchman in your pocket?

You've been acting as Len's representative
for a few posts now in speaking of his motivations or lack thereof. I
wasn't aware that you'd turned the controls over to him.

Dave K8MN

I haven't.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.


You'll pardon our confusion.

Our confusion? Do you have a Frenchman in your pocket?

*Our* confusion--Steve's and mine. Steve wrote (and you snipped):

"Lennie's "disincentive" had/has NOTHING to do with Morse Code,
Brain...It has to do with having absolutely NO understanding of what
Amateur Radio is all about, what it's purpose and capabilities are, and
what it means to be a 'part' of something."

You've been acting as Len's representative
for a few posts now in speaking of his motivations or lack thereof. I
wasn't aware that you'd turned the controls over to him.

I haven't.

Someone should tell you that he's busy writing his own views on the
subject...in a way.

Dave K8MN