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In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: Basically I think the ARRL Board knows that the free upgrades means that their proposal probably will not be adopted in this form. The FCC has never gone along with free upgrades before and there is no evidence that they would do so now. However, I believe they tossed it in as another idea for the FCC to consider in developing whatever the FCC decides to do, if they decide to do anything at all. That's probably correct, Dee. And that's what bothers me! As you say, FCC has never done free upgrades, and the last time the issue came up (98-143), the ARRL proposal was for existing Novices (!) and Tech Pluses to get free upgrade to General. Of course, FCC said "no way", and has had no problem whatever keeping the closed-to-new-issues classes in their database. So why propose something FCC obviously isn't going to do? Just wastes everybody's time. More important, it diverts attention from the other issues. oh wait, I think I just answered my own question...;-) 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"Alun" wrote I don't think that qualifies as proof. Here is a direct quote from the "Amateur Radio Newsline" broadcast of Sept 12th, 1993, where the hissy-fit of W5YI is described. Since K7UGA left the Senate in 1986, long before this incident, it's unlikely that he responded with legislation which required free Novice exams. Sunuvagun! de Hans, K0HB " VEC UPSET ABOUT FREE NOVICE TESTS The ARRL says that it will not charge applicants for Novice tests. This even though the W5YI VEC has filed a complaint with the FCC alleging that the League's VEC operation is in violation of the rules because it refuses to charge applicants for these tests. But Fred Maia W5YI who operates the VEC bearing his callsign claims that its a matter of uniformity. That all VEC's who use what is called the annual method of figuring reimbursement are required to charge an examination fee for every test it gives, including Novice exams. The ARRL says that it plans to continue its policy of administering Novice tests free of charge because it believes that this policy is consistent with an FCC tradition established back in the 1950's. This, as a way of making it easy for youngsters to get entry level licenses. The League's President, George Wilson, W4OYI says that the whole thing is nothing more than one of the ironies that keeps ham radio politics interesting. Wilson notes that VEC's have always had the latitude to set their own fees. He adds -- and we quote -- "Frankly, we see no compelling Federal interest in whether or not a class of nine year olds ought to be charged for taking an entry level ham radio exam." But Maia and his W5YI VEC operation see it very differently. In his September 1st issue of his W5YI Report newsletter Maia says that the potential financial benefit to the League resulting from its policy is to serious to be ignored. He says that free examinations when all other VEC's charge, attract applicants who are the potential purchasers of examination preparation materials. Maia believes that the purchasing decisions of these people may be unduly influenced by their choice of VEC's. Did this flap ever make it to the U.S. Dept. of Justice trust busters or the SEC? Gotta just love Maia. He's more fun than Wayne Green. w3rv |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message news:ZkZPb.33223$P% Leo, my point is that it would not stay clear very long. It would fill up in a heart beat with domestic nets and QSOs thereby causing hardship and hard feelings among the those outside the US. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE True indeed.....some time back the bottom of 20 m phone was 14.200. I remember the 'opening day' of moving down to 14.175...thats right, 175....you should have heard the South Americans bitching. Dan/W4NTI |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article om, "Dee D. Flint" writes: Basically I think the ARRL Board knows that the free upgrades means that their proposal probably will not be adopted in this form. The FCC has never gone along with free upgrades before and there is no evidence that they would do so now. However, I believe they tossed it in as another idea for the FCC to consider in developing whatever the FCC decides to do, if they decide to do anything at all. That's probably correct, Dee. And that's what bothers me! As you say, FCC has never done free upgrades, and the last time the issue came up (98-143), the ARRL proposal was for existing Novices (!) and Tech Pluses to get free upgrade to General. Of course, FCC said "no way", and has had no problem whatever keeping the closed-to-new-issues classes in their database. So why propose something FCC obviously isn't going to do? Just wastes everybody's time. More important, it diverts attention from the other issues. oh wait, I think I just answered my own question...;-) 73 de Jim, N2EY That theory works but for one major problem. Were talking about the 'gang of fifteen' here. What makes you think they have enough sense? Dan/W4NTI |
Did this flap ever make it to the U.S. Dept. of Justice trust busters or the SEC? Gotta just love Maia. He's more fun than Wayne Green. w3rv Maia, Wayne Green and Dick Bash should be drawn and quartered on the Nevada sands. Dan/W4NTI |
Len Over 21 wrote: Paul, I appreciate your "guidance" in newsgroupism, but let's clear the board and outline a few things - ... (such as puritanism and syncophancy of.... The what? commentary, taking pot-shots against the syncophants Against whom? Looks like you need some help with that clearing and outlining. 6. Obvious Pro-Code Test Advocates do NOT play "Devil's Advocate." Those are hide-bound olde-tyme-thinking PCTAs who are not only sanctimonious self-righteous self-important self-propelled "experts" but are all seriously devoid of a sense of humor. You know, Leonard, all of those adjectives could easily be used to describe you. Dave K8MN |
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"Alun" wrote in message ... I beleive the R2 bandplan allows phone down to 7045, same as R1. In R3 it's 7030! R2 hams operatong phone 'on 7050 and lower' are abiding by the ITU bandplan unless they go below 7045. Keep in mind that outside the US, those are just band plans. According to postings I read elsewhere, they are ignored with some regularity. It becomes even more common to ignore them during some contests. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I beleive the R2 bandplan allows phone down to 7045, same as R1. In R3 it's 7030! R2 hams operatong phone 'on 7050 and lower' are abiding by the ITU bandplan unless they go below 7045. Keep in mind that outside the US, those are just band plans. According to postings I read elsewhere, they are ignored with some regularity. It becomes even more common to ignore them during some contests. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I can't speak for hams in every country in the world, but being originally from the UK I would say that most there would be horrified at the idea of operating phone below 7040, for example. The cutoff used to be 7040 before they set aside 7035-7045 for RTTY. That is one aspect of it being voluntary, you will find people who continue to use a frequency after the bandplan is changed. In a similar way, phone is supposed to be above 14.112 on 20, but it used to be 14.100. The RTTY sections were carved out of the top of CW and the bottom of phone. Phone below 7.040 or below 14.100 is not something I hear when I tune around. It's easy for US hams to form an impression that there are lots of DX hams operating phone on CW frequencies, but there really aren't. It's just that few realise how far down phone extends in the IARU bandplans. Contests are another matter, but that cuts both ways, i.e. you will also find CW on phone frequencies during CW contests. 73 de Alun, N3KIP (Ex-G8VUK, G0VUK) |
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