On 22 Jan 2004 00:02:34 GMT, Alun wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
igy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
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(N2EY) wrote in
om:

I did. As they get 7100-7200, any reason to have 'phone below 7100
goes away completely.

Except for us up North, perhaps - we have 7.050 to 7.100 allocated as
SSB on our 40M band plan. There are a few Canadian nets that operate
there regularily, as well as quite a bit of foreign DX.

Fortunately, our band plans are guidelines prepared by Radio Amateurs
of Canada - not federally mandated.

73, Leo


Only when:-

1 - all the broadcasters have moved, probably circa the year 2100; and

2 - all the countries have 7100-7200, which might almost take as long


As I recall, the treaty language from the past summer requires the
broadcasters to move out. It's not a recommendation and it's not
optional. I think the year is either 2007 or 2009 (I forget and don't
want to take the time to go look it up).

Since the equipment is already available, I would expect the various
countries to move rather quickly on adding the allocation.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



A triumph of optimism over reality

"N2EY" wrote in message
m...
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1

Summary:

3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra

5 wpm code test retained for Extra only

[ STUFF DELETED ]

73 de Jim, N2EY

Even though I support the removal of the CW requirement for any license, I
find this to be an acceptable compromise. The reduction to three license
classes has already happened, although the Novice license as proposed is
actually a new license. Perhaps a different name could be found for it to
reduce confusion with the current Novice license.

Dave, K3WQ

On 21 Jan 2004 23:14:48 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

ROTFL etc.... again!

Not sure where moralizing, assessing levels of taste and
inappropriateness, and passing vengeful judgement on fellow hams fits
in, though. - 9 kinda fits, with its 1940s flavour. It could also be
combined with 10, but that would annoy the CBers and other scum as it
is at least a layer of decency down from that.

Do we perhaps need to consider an Item 11? Hmmmm.....

73, Leo

1. When meeting an Extra in person, always salute and show
respect at all times as required by the Geneva Convention.

2. Always call Extras "sir" or "madam" as the case may be,
always using military courtesy. After all, amateur radio IS a
service..

3. If an Extra wants to use the frequency you are operating on,
apologize and immediately QSY to another frequency. The
bands really belong to him.

4. Allot 10 percent of one's income to the League. This is the
the tithe that binds better than duct tape.

5. Always defer to the Extra's desires. If they like a particular
boatanchor, profess to show an interest in the clunker and
praise them for their choice. If they can afford a top-of-the-
line expensive transceiver, express deep envy for same and
congratulate them on being able to go into hock to get it.

6. Above all, profess a deep and sincere love for morse code, the
most elegant and sophisticated means of communications used
by amateurs today. Always say you are working hard on code to
demonstrate your committment to the ideals of the amateur
community.

7. Remember that the Extra is Always Right in technical matters
and never ever contradict him/her even if they make a moronic
mistake about any radio theory or amateur regulations. Their
rank/status/privilege plus that important certificate (suitable for
framing) from the federal government shows that They Are Right.

8. In the Amateur Service try to remember General Order #1 - You
will walk the bands in a military manner being always on the
alert for "the rare one" and always deferring to an Extra's need to
play on your frequency whenever they wish.

9. Never ever use any jargon or phrases that were not used in
amateur radio prior to 1940. Use morse mode abbreviations
wherever possible in written communications...to show a
dedication and committment to the amateur way and that you
belong with them, heart and soul. Even thinking of using 10
codes will get you excommunicated without forgiveness.

10. Always treat CB users as river bottom scum and call them all
bad names and do not permit them to drink from the same
water fountains as you do. They deserve to ride in the back of
the EM bus...as they have for 46 years.

LHA / WMD

"Alun" wrote

From K0HB:

The governing regulation is §97.527 which allows, but does NOT
require,
VEC's to collect reimbursement for examinations. (In other words,
there
is no requirement that VEC's collect money for ANY examination.)
Collection of reimbursement is AUTHORIZED but it is not MANDATORY.

I don't think that qualifies as proof.

Since it is a citation of the actual federal rules, it is certainly more
convincing than your tenuous assertion that you "read somewhere".....

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Leo" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2004 00:02:34 GMT, Alun wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
igy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
...
(N2EY) wrote in
om:

I did. As they get 7100-7200, any reason to have 'phone below 7100
goes away completely.

Except for us up North, perhaps - we have 7.050 to 7.100 allocated as
SSB on our 40M band plan. There are a few Canadian nets that operate
there regularily, as well as quite a bit of foreign DX.

Fortunately, our band plans are guidelines prepared by Radio Amateurs
of Canada - not federally mandated.

73, Leo


Do you really think you would like all the US amateurs jumping in down
there?? Remember the population difference. We have a tremendous amount of
activity on 40m voice on 7.150 to 7.300 until the broadcasts drive us off.
If we had SSB access to that 7.050 to 7.100 used by other countries, it
would be packed solid and nobody else could get in. Do you want that? Far
better to continue the battle to get the allocation extended to 7.300 for
all amateurs around the world.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Maybe we all should move voice to the bottom of 40m, and create a new
subband for
modes that create bad QRM to the broadcasters who don't vacate? :-)










With a power limit of 50kW to make sure, ROTFL!


Unfortunatley quite true, unless their intended audience lives in your
town. Maybe we should still put our digital modes there, as CW and
such I think may not be bothered much by broadcaster QRM. CW
as it's narrowband and one could use a frequency a couple KHz's
away from the broadcast carriers, and other digital modes I think
may not be bothered by the QRM much.

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

Learn your history. ARRL fought that proposal. That was solely the idea of
the FCC.

The ARRL can do NO wrong, of course.

Evil is the FCC...of course.

FCC has been around since 1934...almost 70 years.

ARRL doesn't grant amateur licenses although they think they "control"
it. FCC grants amateur licenses and is THE authority on U.S. civil
radio regulation.

Vote early and often...

LHA / WMD

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

Do you really think you would like all the US amateurs jumping in down
there?? Remember the population difference. We have a tremendous amount of
activity on 40m voice on 7.150 to 7.300 until the broadcasts drive us off.
If we had SSB access to that 7.050 to 7.100 used by other countries, it
would be packed solid and nobody else could get in. Do you want that? Far
better to continue the battle to get the allocation extended to 7.300 for
all amateurs around the world.

Ahem...the "40m 'battle'" has been going on since WARC-79.

That's a mere 24 1/2 years. :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk...sounds like somebody hasn't been through Basic
Training and learning how to "battle" effectively.

LHA / WMD

In article , Leo
writes:

On 21 Jan 2004 23:14:48 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

ROTFL etc.... again!

Not sure where moralizing, assessing levels of taste and
inappropriateness, and passing vengeful judgement on fellow hams fits
in, though. - 9 kinda fits, with its 1940s flavour. It could also be
combined with 10, but that would annoy the CBers and other scum as it
is at least a layer of decency down from that.

Do we perhaps need to consider an Item 11? Hmmmm.....

A musician might get creative and write something for a
SANCTIMONIUM. That's the horn they like to blow, part of
the Big Brass section of their community orchestra of
amateur blowhards. [ Toot, toot! They are on a Tootsie Roll! ]

I didn't include the all-important Self-Righteousness aspect of
the sanctimonius sect of status quoists. My omission. Good
point to bring it up!

This could turn into a "Never Ending Story!" :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Alun
writes:

I have actually encountered someone who actually thought he must be right
and spoke down to me on the air because he had a 2x1 call and I was a mere
1x3. Never mind that I am an Extra (not to mention a BSEE) but just kept my
no-code call. This must come under 7. Not as common as you might think,
this one.

I have met many people who actually abide by number 6, i.e. they pretend to
like the code, but they make only one CW QSO every 2-3 years. Usually, they
are pro the CW test too. They never use it, but think the tradition is
important. I am not talking about anyone here, AFAIK, but they are out
there.

Ohhh...SOME in here might come under at least 2 items...:-)

LHA / WMD