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roups.com: "Winston" wrote in message ... I was an Advanced in 1963. I guess, by proxy, I will be able to say I was an Extra for 40 years. I became an Extra in 1979. What will I become now. Think of it as having walked in a very large circle for the past 40 Years. : ) : ) : ) Do you think that if everyone would just buy five copies of QST every month the League would give up attempting to license every deadbeat dad and upgrading every licensee that can recite QST? Win/W0LZ Probably an accurate observation Win. All that the ARRL has ever been interested in for the past 40+ years is more subscriptions to their ad filled fishwrap. No suprise really as the ARRL's 501-C3 Charter lists them as a non-profit "scientific" publishing company. Looks like the Ivy League also has **finally** realized that the Incentive License disaster of the 1960's pretty much trashed ham radio. Now their franticly trying to back-peddle the boat before it finally goes over Niagra Falls. Not much you can do, seeing that 99.5% of young persons are more interested in Ipod, Blogging, Chatrooms and other Net related projects instead of this old antiquated hobby of their granddaddy called "ham radio". (It used to be that ham radio was unique in that it was the only alternative to making a long distance telephone call to speak with someone far away. Today anyone can do the same with a $10-per-month ISP and a PC. The NOVELTY of long distance communications for the common person has worn off - this is the root-cause of the issue - ham radio is become obsolete. ) I didn't realise that people wrapped fish in publications over here. Fish wrapped in newspaper used to be really common back home in G land, and I dare say you might still find it if you looked hard enough. 73 de Alun, N3KIP (Ex-G8VUK) |
"Alun" wrote in message ... (N2EY) wrote in om: I did. As they get 7100-7200, any reason to have 'phone below 7100 goes away completely. Only when:- 1 - all the broadcasters have moved, probably circa the year 2100; and 2 - all the countries have 7100-7200, which might almost take as long As I recall, the treaty language from the past summer requires the broadcasters to move out. It's not a recommendation and it's not optional. I think the year is either 2007 or 2009 (I forget and don't want to take the time to go look it up). Since the equipment is already available, I would expect the various countries to move rather quickly on adding the allocation. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Bert Craig wrote: Existing Advanceds get free upgrade to Extra Oh great, I get to be an Extra by default. I had rather keep my Advanced, advanced even sounds more advanced than Extra does. To the average lay person, I bet they'd agree that of the five license classes, they think Advanced would likly be the highest. I've never thought the EXTRA name conveyed the true sense of the license being the highest overall. YMMV Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Alun" wrote It might be more productive if someone could produce some evidence one way or the other! I can do better than evidence, I can provide proof.... The governing regulation is §97.527 which allows, but does NOT require, VEC's to collect reimbursement for examinations. (In other words, there is no requirement that VEC's collect money for ANY examination.) Collection of reimbursement is AUTHORIZED but it is not MANDATORY. Back in the early-mid 90's the ARRL VEC decided not to collect fees for Novice examinations. This ****ed off the W5YI VEC who actually petitioned the FCC to REQUIRE the collection of fees. FCC declined to grant his petition. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: Actually I wonder if the ARRL petition isn't a crafty ruse. It will look good to people who want what it proposes but has high odds of being rejected by the FCC since the FCC has a long history of shooting down automatic upgrades. They get the "attaboy" for "trying" and can then lay it at the FCC's door when it fails even though they may want it to fail. SHAME! Thinking improper and vulgar thoughts about the ARRL! Say 100 Hail Hirams as penance and sin no more. LHA / WMD |
In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: Why single out the ARRL? Almost every organization and our national political scene is the same way. A few active people get out and vote. A few active people get out and do the work. These are the people who always have and always will shape policy. Yet those who are unwilling to vote or do the work continually whine about how they are not represented. It is the same thing throughout our society. The ARRL is not unique. Gasp! You mean that the ARRL does NOT represent amateur radio in the USA? How can that be? Doesn't everyone write their Director/Section Manager who will faithfully and honestly bring their views to the Big Board? Strange. LESS than a quarter of all licensed U.S. radio amateurs belone to the League. You mean that ARRL represents those three-fourths who aren't members?!? Does the ARRL represent any of those interested in becoming a radio amteur? LHA / WMD |
"KØHB" wrote in news:mGDPb.22507$zj7.7765
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Alun" wrote It might be more productive if someone could produce some evidence one way or the other! I can do better than evidence, I can provide proof.... The governing regulation is §97.527 which allows, but does NOT require, VEC's to collect reimbursement for examinations. (In other words, there is no requirement that VEC's collect money for ANY examination.) Collection of reimbursement is AUTHORIZED but it is not MANDATORY. Back in the early-mid 90's the ARRL VEC decided not to collect fees for Novice examinations. This ****ed off the W5YI VEC who actually petitioned the FCC to REQUIRE the collection of fees. FCC declined to grant his petition. 73, de Hans, K0HB I don't think that qualifies as proof. Oh well, never mind. |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... (N2EY) wrote in om: I did. As they get 7100-7200, any reason to have 'phone below 7100 goes away completely. Only when:- 1 - all the broadcasters have moved, probably circa the year 2100; and 2 - all the countries have 7100-7200, which might almost take as long As I recall, the treaty language from the past summer requires the broadcasters to move out. It's not a recommendation and it's not optional. I think the year is either 2007 or 2009 (I forget and don't want to take the time to go look it up). Since the equipment is already available, I would expect the various countries to move rather quickly on adding the allocation. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE A triumph of optimism over reality |
(Len Over 21) wrote in
: In article , (N2EY) writes: Alun wrote in message ... (N2EY) wrote in om: Alun wrote in message . .. (N2EY) wrote in : In article , Alun writes: (N2EY) wrote in news:c2356669.0401191008.a3c8376 : http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 Summary: 3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra The _only_ merit to that is that testing was free for Novices, so it would reintroduce a free licence class. Not part of the proposal as I read it. As I understand it, the law providing free testing for Novices remains on the books. Hence, it really does matter what the entry level licence is called. If it is re-named 'Novice', then the test is free. No, it's not part of the proposal, and having since read the whole thing on the ARRL web site, it appears that the league haven't thought about this particular wrinkle, as they say that the name is still open and it could be called something else. Unless K0HB is mistaken, no such rule exists in Part 97. And since no new Novices have been issued in almost 4 years, it's a bit of a moot point. But it might be a nice thing for VECs to do... The new Novice would replace the existing Technician class as the entry level exam. It would have less power and fewer VHF/UHF privileges, but more HF privileges. Provided the new class that happened to be called Novice had Tech Plus privileges and they had to pass the current Element 2 I would have no trouble with that Why? I thought the old Novice was too easy Why? The old 20-25 question Novice I took in 1967 at the age of 13 was adequate to keep me out of trouble, even though my first station was homebrewed from junk parts. And that Novice license started me on the path to Advanced in about a year, Extra in about 3 years and BSEE in a little over 8 years.... And there were many many Novices like me. If an entry level license keeps the newbies out of trouble and inspires them to learn and do more, isn't that just about perfect? Well? Think about it - what exactly *should* an entry-level license do? Here's a few suggestions on what they "should" do - 1. When meeting an Extra in person, always salute and show respect at all times as required by the Geneva Convention. 2. Always call Extras "sir" or "madam" as the case may be, always using military courtesy. After all, amateur radio IS a service.. 3. If an Extra wants to use the frequency you are operating on, apologize and immediately QSY to another frequency. The bands really belong to him. 4. Allot 10 percent of one's income to the League. This is the the tithe that binds better than duct tape. 5. Always defer to the Extra's desires. If they like a particular boatanchor, profess to show an interest in the clunker and praise them for their choice. If they can afford a top-of-the- line expensive transceiver, express deep envy for same and congratulate them on being able to go into hock to get it. 6. Above all, profess a deep and sincere love for morse code, the most elegant and sophisticated means of communications used by amateurs today. Always say you are working hard on code to demonstrate your committment to the ideals of the amateur community. 7. Remember that the Extra is Always Right in technical matters and never ever contradict him/her even if they make a moronic mistake about any radio theory or amateur regulations. Their rank/status/privilege plus that important certificate (suitable for framing) from the federal government shows that They Are Right. 8. In the Amateur Service try to remember General Order #1 - You will walk the bands in a military manner being always on the alert for "the rare one" and always deferring to an Extra's need to play on your frequency whenever they wish. 9. Never ever use any jargon or phrases that were not used in amateur radio prior to 1940. Use morse mode abbreviations wherever possible in written communications...to show a dedication and committment to the amateur way and that you belong with them, heart and soul. Even thinking of using 10 codes will get you excommunicated without forgiveness. 10. Always treat CB users as river bottom scum and call them all bad names and do not permit them to drink from the same water fountains as you do. They deserve to ride in the back of the EM bus...as they have for 46 years. LHA / WMD Hilarious! I have actually encountered someone who actually thought he must be right and spoke down to me on the air because he had a 2x1 call and I was a mere 1x3. Never mind that I am an Extra (not to mention a BSEE) but just kept my no-code call. This must come under 7. Not as common as you might think, this one. I have met many people who actually abide by number 6, i.e. they pretend to like the code, but they make only one CW QSO every 2-3 years. Usually, they are pro the CW test too. They never use it, but think the tradition is important. I am not talking about anyone here, AFAIK, but they are out there. Numbers 1-3 sound fair to me, though, ROTFL! |
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