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"N2EY" wrote in message m... http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 Summary: 3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra Ok, so far so good. 5 wpm code test retained for Extra only I personally would like to see existing Tech, Tech+, and Novice licensees upgraded to the new Novice ticket. (Tech+ privies.) Existing Advanceds get free upgrade to Extra Sounds reasonable. , Techs and Tech Pluses get free upgrade to General Nope. 'Phone image subbands for 80/40/15 widened slightly Depends on one's interpretation of "slightly," I suppose. Old Novice subbands replaced by additional CW/data and 'phone subbands on 80/40/15. Novices also get privs on 6, 2, 222, and 440 Ok. Novice power level set below that requiring RF exposure evaluation Also reasonable. Novice test to be 25 questions on "basics" Surely, they jest?! , General to be derived from Tech and General, Extra pretty much as-is. Ok. 73 de Jim, N2EY Thanks for the synopsis, Jim. This scenario certainly beats a blank. 73 de Bert WA2SI A blank like last time? Bert, WHY OH WHY couldn't the ARRL have come up with this a decade ago??? The FCC was not only receptive, but even a little pushy about restructuring back then. Instead the ARRL chose to sit on their collective thumbs. |
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writes: (N2EY) wrote in news:c2356669.0401191008.a3c8376 : http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 Summary: 3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra The _only_ merit to that is that testing was free for Novices, so it would reintroduce a free licence class. Not part of the proposal as I read it. The new Novice would replace the existing Technician class as the entry level exam. It would have less power and fewer VHF/UHF privileges, but more HF privileges. Provided the new class that happened to be called Novice had Tech Plus privileges and they had to pass the current Element 2 I would have no trouble with that Why? Current Element 2 is very VHF/UHF centric, and so are current Tech Plus privs. The goal seems to be to strike more of a balance between above and below 30 MHz privileges. 5 wpm code test retained for Extra only Predictably, I do have a problem with that. Me too. Should be at least 13 and preferably 20 wpm. Sending and receiving. Morse skill testing for voice privileges is illogical and should be dumped. It's no more illogical than testing theory in order to be allowed to use manufactured equipment. Moreover, it can be now, since it has not been required by the ITU for the last six months. FCC will most probably just drop it completely. Existing Advanceds get free upgrade to Extra, OK Why OK? Why not simply carry the Advanceds as a separate class, as has been done for the past 3 years and 9 months? Techs and Tech Pluses get free upgrade to General Not OK in this scenario, given my comments above Agreed - but why is it OK for Advanceds to get a free upgrade to Extra, but not OK for Techs and Tech Pluses to get free upgrade to General? What is the fundamental difference that makes one freebie OK but not the other? 'Phone image subbands for 80/40/15 widened slightly Good. Bad. Some phone below 7100? No? Why not? That space is needed for CW and digital modes. Old Novice subbands replaced by additional CW/data and 'phone subbands on 80/40/15. Novices also get privs on 6, 2, 222, and 440 See above Please clarify. Novice power level set below that requiring RF exposure evaluation OK Agreed. Novice test to be 25 questions on "basics", Not OK Why not? Current Element 2 is only 35 questions! And it has a lot more ground to cover, including all amateur VHF/UHF bands and modes, power up to "meat cooking" levels (love that WK3C phrase) and much more. By reducing the entry-level privs, 25 questions should be enough. General to be derived from Tech and General, Extra pretty much as-is. What do you actually think of this proposal yourself, Jim? You don't say here. See above. A few good ideas and a few bad ideas. Obviously the work of a committee looking to give everyone something they want, but not giving anyone everything they want. What will FCC do? First off, they may just go for the "new Novice", in an effort to attract more new hams. Second, they will probably just dump Element 1. Third, they will probably not hand out free upgrades because it costs them little or nothing to keep the closed-off classes. And that's probably about it. 73 de Jim, N2EY 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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(N2EY) writes: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 Summary: 3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra 5 wpm code test retained for Extra only Existing Advanceds get free upgrade to Extra, Techs and Tech Pluses get free upgrade to General 'Phone image subbands for 80/40/15 widened slightly Old Novice subbands replaced by additional CW/data and 'phone subbands on 80/40/15. Novices also get privs on 6, 2, 222, and 440 Novice power level set below that requiring RF exposure evaluation Novice test to be 25 questions on "basics", General to be derived from Tech and General, Extra pretty much as-is. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: This new ARRL Proposal is pretty much what I would expect to come out of Newington these days. And that doesn't mean that I won't support it. However, I don't see the FCC as being favorably disposed toward adding a new license class to the ARS licensing structure. A better idea would have been to simply incorporate the "New Novice" HF phone privileges with the current Technician-class license, keeping General and Extra as they are in the new proposal. I don't see why the Extra-class code test requirement needs to be set at the current 5 WPM level. A 12-wpm code test would be a better idea, and anyone interested enough in achieving Extra could go from nothing to that level in a matter of weeks. However, since Extra is already dumbed-down to 5 WPM, I guess there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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(N2EY) wrote in news:c2356669.0401191008.a3c8376 @posting.google.com: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 Summary: 3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra The _only_ merit to that is that testing was free for Novices, so it would reintroduce a free licence class. Provided the new class that happened to be called Novice had Tech Plus privileges and they had to pass the current Element 2 I would have no trouble with that 5 wpm code test retained for Extra only Predictably, I do have a problem with that. Morse skill testing for voice privileges is illogical and should be dumped. Moreover, it can be now, since it has not been required by the ITU for the last six months. Existing Advanceds get free upgrade to Extra, OK Techs and Tech Pluses get free upgrade to General Not OK in this scenario, given my comments above 'Phone image subbands for 80/40/15 widened slightly Good. Some phone below 7100? No? Why not? Old Novice subbands replaced by additional CW/data and 'phone subbands on 80/40/15. Novices also get privs on 6, 2, 222, and 440 See above Novice power level set below that requiring RF exposure evaluation OK Novice test to be 25 questions on "basics", Not OK General to be derived from Tech and General, Extra pretty much as-is. 73 de Jim, N2EY What do you actually think of this proposal yourself, Jim? You don't say here. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Alun, when we had 7 license classes, The Amateur Formerly Known As Rev. Jim told me that the ARS needed more license classes, not fewer. |
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"Bill Sohl" wrote Pretty similar to Hans's proposal on classes. Bill, you must be on drugs, or you have a severe disability regarding comprehension of the English language. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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(Larry Roll K3LT) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 Summary: 3 classes of license: Novice, General, Extra 5 wpm code test retained for Extra only Existing Advanceds get free upgrade to Extra, Techs and Tech Pluses get free upgrade to General 'Phone image subbands for 80/40/15 widened slightly Old Novice subbands replaced by additional CW/data and 'phone subbands on 80/40/15. Novices also get privs on 6, 2, 222, and 440 Novice power level set below that requiring RF exposure evaluation Novice test to be 25 questions on "basics", General to be derived from Tech and General, Extra pretty much as-is. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: This new ARRL Proposal is pretty much what I would expect to come out of Newington these days. Except it didn't come out of Newington - it's the result of the BoD's vote. And the BoD are from all over the country, elected by the members. And that doesn't mean that I won't support it. I support parts of it. However, I don't see the FCC as being favorably disposed toward adding a new license class to the ARS licensing structure. Just a name change. They'd reopen Novice to new issues and close off Tech to new issues so there would still be only three levels avaialble for new issues. A better idea would have been to simply incorporate the "New Novice" HF phone privileges with the current Technician-class license, keeping General and Extra as they are in the new proposal. Maybe they'll do just that. I don't see why the Extra-class code test requirement needs to be set at the current 5 WPM level. It's a bone throne to those who support code testing. And if you look at the comments to the various proposals submitted to FCC, those folks are in the majority. A 12-wpm code test would be a better idea, and anyone interested enough in achieving Extra could go from nothing to that level in a matter of weeks. Of course. However, since Extra is already dumbed-down to 5 WPM, I guess there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Worth a try, though. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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