In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Dan/W4NTI" writes:

|
| I researched the question. It seems that Frank Butler the SE Director
has
| run un-opposed for the last several elections. Which explains why I
don't
| remember having voted for a Director recently.
|

There's a reason for that. Frank is, IMNSHO, is among the top 3 best
Director's who ever wore the red badge. He understands ham radio, he
understands that he was elected to be a leader, not a manager, and he
has the courage to look beyond the popularity surveys and support what
is best for Amateur Radio (which isn't always what is most popular with
the vocal minority).

IOW he supports code testing for all ham licenses.

Works for me.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

| I researched the question. It seems that Frank Butler the SE
Director has
| run un-opposed for the last several elections.
|
| That's bad, IMHO.
|

Then you don't know Frank Butler.

No, I don't. And while he's probably a fine fellow, I'm opposed to uncontested
'elections' on general principles.

No disrespect of Mr. Butler intended.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

| I researched the question. It seems that Frank Butler the SE
Director has
| run un-opposed for the last several elections.
|
| That's bad, IMHO.
|

Then you don't know Frank Butler.

No, I don't. And while he's probably a fine fellow, I'm opposed to
uncontested
'elections' on general principles.

No disrespect of Mr. Butler intended.

73 de Jim, N2EY


And it's not the fault of Mr. Butler if no one chooses to run against him.
It says much more about the members of the organization than it does about
Mr. Butler.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

| I researched the question. It seems that Frank Butler the SE
Director has
| run un-opposed for the last several elections.
|
| That's bad, IMHO.
|

Then you don't know Frank Butler.

No, I don't. And while he's probably a fine fellow, I'm opposed to
uncontested
'elections' on general principles.

No disrespect of Mr. Butler intended.

73 de Jim, N2EY


And it's not the fault of Mr. Butler if no one chooses to run against him.
It says much more about the members of the organization than it does about
Mr. Butler.

Exactly!

You said it much better than I did, Dee.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"KØHB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Dan/W4NTI" writes:

|
| I researched the question. It seems that Frank Butler the SE Director
has
| run un-opposed for the last several elections. Which explains why I
don't
| remember having voted for a Director recently.
|

There's a reason for that. Frank is, IMNSHO, is among the top 3 best
Director's who ever wore the red badge. He understands ham radio, he
understands that he was elected to be a leader, not a manager, and he
has the courage to look beyond the popularity surveys and support what
is best for Amateur Radio (which isn't always what is most popular with
the vocal minority).

The SE Division is a lucky bunch.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Hans,

He don't even bother to answer e-mails about what his vote and or opinion
was on the matter.

Dan/W4NTI

(N2EY) wrote in message ...

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:
go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which
didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . .


And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed, there
were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on
Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down
on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last
year for the vote on approving his membership application into The
Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?)
and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from
the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Then as now, they were few - but noisy.

Maybe it was different where you were, Dan.

It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle
by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others.

Circle Game.

Dit-dit!


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which
didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . .


And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed,
there
were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on
Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked
down
on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last
year for the vote on approving his membership application into The
Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?)

You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll?

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from
the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX
contesting.
They're "a bit competitive"....

Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting.
Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he
only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4
years.

No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than
4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he
was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class
yet.
And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL"....

Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting....

Then as now, they were few - but noisy.

Maybe it was different where you were, Dan.

It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle
by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others.

Circle Game.

Dit-dit!

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote

|
| Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX
contesting.
| Like not being able to work split.
|

Not able to work split???????????????? That's nonsense.

Actually it's pretty common (almost universal) that DXpeditions park
their transmitter in the Advance or Extra class part of the band and
listen in the General segment. On 20, for example, DXpeditions usually
park at 14.023 (Extra) and listen up 5 on CW. Similarly on Phone they
almost universally transmit at 14.195 (Advanced) and listen up. Similar
tactics on other bands (transmit on 3795 and listen just up above 3800).
40-meter phone (there isn't even an Extra phone segment there) is almost
100% done working split.

73, de Hans, K0HB

(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from
the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

Why does he have to have a problem? Why cannot a lowly Advanced enjoy DX?

bb

(N2EY) wrote in message ...


There were "class distinctions" before IL, Dan. I heard folks say, way back
then,
that Novices and Techs weren't "real hams".

But for the last 8 years you've tried to tell us that there was no
discrimination in the ARS.

"Where never is heard a discouraging word..."