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Dee D. Flint March 12th 04 03:16 AM

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
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Were you two colleagues in third grade???

Perhaps.. I knew a "Dee" in gradeschool, however I doubt we were
classmates.


Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

William March 12th 04 03:48 AM
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Thomas Jefferson, as enlightened and as forward looking as he may
have been, could have hardly envisioned the United States as it exists
today.

True. He would vomit blood at the welfare state that we have become.

WHOA, BillyB! You at once espouse making Amateur Radio a
"once-size-fits-all" radio service, then make reference to a "welfare
state"...?!?!

Nice turn-about there! Get whiplash making that turn...?!?!

You see, TJ liked the government that governed the least. He was part
of the war against arbitrary and unnecessary government tyranny.

You keep trying to avoid the very real truth that Amateur Radio
STILL fills a need, even in these early days of the 21st century.

I accept that. However, what I find amusing is that you and Dee
cannot accept that other forms of communications are fast eclipsing
amateur radio as a means of portable emergency communications.

I have NEVER, in this forum or any other, refused to acknowledged
that other radio, wireline, or other common carrier services provide
any other means of "portable emergency communications".

I challenge you to prove otherwise.

You sure seemed to be doing a good job of it above. Thanks for coming
clean and acknowledging that cellular telephones have played a huge
role in emergency response communications.

What I HAVE stated in this and other forums is that Amateur Radio
CONTINUES to provide a necessary and almost irreplaceable asset.

To the exclusion of all other communications means. At least until
you posted the above.

NO
OTHER RADIO SERVICE provides the flexibility and utility that Amateur
Radio does.

You're simply wrong on that one. Amateur radio does not offer the
flexibility and utility that cellular telephones provide.

I challenge you to prove THAT otherwise, also.

Challenges, challenges, challenges! That's a part of your problem,
Don Quixoterobeson. Always making challenges.

These facts are not from some ARRL source...these assertions come
from a plethora of govenmental, public and private agencies who have
benefitted from the contributions of Amateur Radio and have expressed
the intent to continue to include Amateur Radio in thier plans and
programs.

And cell phones.

How well does a cellphone operate without a functioning cellsite,
Brain?

Don, if you can say my cell site is dead, I can say your ham radio is
dead.

Please DISPROVE ANYTHING I have said about Amateur Radio's
role.

Just did.

I have NEVER said anything even CLOSE to the idea that we're the
only game in town. Quite the contrary.

You omit any discussion that any other radio service or common carrier
can provide emergency comms. That is a form of lying.

I HAVE said we provide a service to those who make the plans
and need the help.

Until the emergency happens, you don't know who your customer might be
or if you can provide a service to him or her.

Unless your emergencies are always predictable, in which case they are
not emergencies.

Phones and comms did go out in some areas here. Ham radio turned out to be
a valuable asset.

Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports
of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the
comm outages?

How about SITREP's from OES/EMA's detailing Amateur Radio
involvement?

You'll have to ask Dee.

I am asking you.

You'll have to ask Dee.

Just becasue the papers don't name each and every resource
employed in an emergency doesn't mean they weren't involved. That's a
LennieRant tactic that any 3rd grader can see through.

And you're entirely up to the task. Congrats?

Did you say that cell phones played no role in providing
communications during the east coast power outage?

Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such
an assertion, Brain...?!?!

Just making a clarification. So you do say that cellular telephones
played a major role in the 9/11 attacks and in the summer power
outages?

Did you say that cell sites don't have emergency backup generators?

Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such
an assertion, Brain...?!?!

Just making a clarification. So you do say that cellular sites are
capable of operating in an emergency?

C'mon, third grader, explain cell phones from of the picture. Tell us
that cell phones played NO role?

WHERE do you GET such assinine insinuations, Brain...?!?!

I have NEVER made ANY SUCH ASSERTION!

Just making a clarification. Just trying to get your non-verbals on
paper.

Amateur Radio's contributions in emergencies does NOT exist
solely "when the comms are down".

C'mon, third grader, show us where I stated that.

From above:

Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports
of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the
comm outages?

The INSINUATION you make here is VERY clear...in YOUR estimation,
the "comms" had to be "down" in order for Amateur Radio to have played
a role in "emergency comms".

"Emergency comms" are NOT only when the wires are down or the
cell site destroyed, Brain.

JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is
always up. That is the picture he paints.

Perhaps if you were actively involved in the programs of some
disaster mitigation agency you might have a better insight as to what
Amateur Radio's OTHER roles are...?!?!

I was a MARS volunteer and BST member. I have no problem with that
concept. But there sure are a lot of DP planners running around with
cellular telephones nowadays.

You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played
a major role in emergency comms.

What "unlicensed service"...?!?! CB? FRS? MURS? Part 15
compliant devices?

Sure. Why not?

Cellphones are a "fee-for-service" provided by the common
carriers under the auspices of THIER licenses.

THIER?

Were you two colleagues in third grade???

Perhaps.. I knew a "Dee" in gradeschool, however I doubt we were
classmates.

On the otherhand we both seem to acknowledge that Amateur Radio
plays a PART in emergency communications, and that PART is
acknowledged and incorporated by almost every major disaster
mitigation organization in the United States, including FEMA, The Red
Cross, The Salvation Army, the Department of Defense, the Department
of State, most state's OES's, etc etc etc.

Unless, of course, you have evidence to the contrary...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones
play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you?

JJ March 12th 04 03:58 AM
Witless William wrote:



JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is
always up. That is the picture he paints.

Please show us where I made those statements.

JJ March 12th 04 04:01 AM
And witless William also wrote:


I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones
play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you?

Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio
will be there if needed.

William March 12th 04 11:52 AM
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...

Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I went to Mickey's Razzle Dazzle in Council Bluffs, IA.

William March 12th 04 11:55 AM
JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote:

JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is
always up. That is the picture he paints.

Please show us where I made those statements.

See your second post , this subject.

JJ March 12th 04 06:07 PM
Witless Willie wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

William wrote:


JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is
always up. That is the picture he paints.

Please show us where I made those statements.


See your second post , this subject.

Your still hallucinating, I have never stated that your's or anyone
else's cell is always down, but I can say that I have never been without
ham radio capability.

Len Over 21 March 12th 04 09:18 PM
In article ,
(William) writes:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I went to Mickey's Razzle Dazzle in Council Bluffs, IA.

Wasn't Mr. Foreign Service Dave assigned to the Amana
Colonies? :-)

LHA / WMD

Dee D. Flint March 13th 04 01:02 AM

"William" wrote in message
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Just making a clarification. So you do say that cellular telephones
played a major role in the 9/11 attacks and in the summer power
outages?


It is a documented fact that the cell phones were all but useless to handle
the emergency communication needs during 9/11. Too many of the towers had
been on top of the World Trade Center buildings. Those calls that did get
through took over 30 minutes to do so, which is a real problem in handling
emergency communications.

In the power outage of August 2003, I personally experienced the erratic
availability of cell phones.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

William March 13th 04 01:11 AM
JJ wrote in message ...
Witless Willie wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

William wrote:


JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is
always up. That is the picture he paints.

Please show us where I made those statements.


See your second post , this subject.

Your still hallucinating, I have never stated that your's or anyone
else's cell is always down, but I can say that I have never been without
ham radio capability.

You lie. You were w/o ham capability prior to becoming licensed.

See below for your other malstatements.
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From: JJ )
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service


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Date: 2004-03-11 20:23:50 PST


And witless William also wrote:


I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones
play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you?

Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio
will be there if needed.
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