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Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
"Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. |
"Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? It is a service because that is how it is defined and authorized under FCC rules Part 97. All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Let Them choose! There is nothing to choose. It is a service. In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that ham radio is a service still allows individuals to be hams on nothing more than a personal hobby basis. Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned resource. Under US law and under the laws of most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA) gets to specify the rules for amateur radio. No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! Sorry, there is NO opportunity for you or anyone else to vote as you wish. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. No you can't. There are rules on the golf coures you must follow or you will not be allowed to play. You can't play golf on the Whitehous lawn, in the middle of the street, on someone elses' private property, in a public park, or any number of other places. Almost everything you do has rules attatched. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! I guess you are one of the idiots who advocate that the the government should not have any say in how the airwaves can be used. That the airwaves should be free for anyone to use anyway they please at anytime. If that were so, I wonder how you would feel if your family was killed in a plane crash because the pilot could not communicate with air traffic control because some freedom loving moron such as yourself was transmitting on the ATC frequencies. The FCC defines Amateur Radio as a service, and the hams like it that way, now go spout you drivle somewhere else. |
In article J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous, Anonymous
writes: Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! Troll-O-Meter: 0 1 3 5 7 9 +10 +20 |||||| 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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Remainder of another LennieRant under an anonymous "signature" snipped. Nothing new. Same rhetoric. Steve, K4YZ |
"Barry OGrady" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on with their job and go back to playing two way radios. -Barry And I sure that FEMA, the Red Cross, and other groups who consider ham operators vital would agree with you. NOT!! Trolls just never go away. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Sohl" writes: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? It is a service because that is how it is defined and authorized under FCC rules Part 97. All throughout Title 47 C.F.R. the word "service" is a regulatory term denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated. All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Let Them choose! There is nothing to choose. It is a service. In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that ham radio is a service still allows individuals to be hams on nothing more than a personal hobby basis. Citizens Band Radio SERVICE. Remote Control Radio SERVICE. Private Land Mobile Radio SERVICE. Broadcasting SERVICE. Aeronautical Mobile SERVICE. Just five examples of types and kinds of radio activity in Title 47 C.F.R., all using the word "service." All those "services" are for civil (non-government) radio. No military or government-like services are meant nor intended. Just a regulatory term. The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned resource. Under US law and under the laws of most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA) gets to specify the rules for amateur radio. All throughout Title 47 C.F.R., the word "service" is a regulatory term used to denote a type or kind of radio activity being regulated for U.S. non-government radio. Of the five examples given, only broadcasting is required to perform specified services of a specified percentage of transmission time to program content and material to the general community within its service area. Note that "service area" is a term phrase to denote the geographic coverage of broadcast signals above a specified certain field strength. The specific word "service" in that phrase does not refer to a "community service" nor "military service" nor "service to the country" nor even "service for eight" as in dinnerware. Those trying to imply that the word "service" in Amateur Radio Service is some sort of "service to the community" is merely self- enoblement by radio amateurs which has no relevance to reality. Amateur radio as practiced. Amateur radio - as practiced - is almost entirely a personal recreational activity involving radio, done without pecuniary interest. A hobby. Anything more than that is a fantasy existing within radio amateur's imagination...and in the self-serving propaganda of the ARRL to reinforce such imaginary thoughts in order to convince radio amateurs of belonging to the League. If anything the Amateur Radio Service is closer to "service for one" as in dinnerware. An amateur radio licensee cannot transfer that license. It belongs only to the stated licensee. The license does not state, convey, or imply that the licensee must perform any community service to anyone other than emergency communications under certain conditions stated in Parts 2 and 97 of Title 47 C.F.R. No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! Sorry, there is NO opportunity for you or anyone else to vote as you wish. Actually, there IS such an opportunity and it is built into the Constitution of the United States and some Amendments. For a large change try Articles V and VII plus Amendment IX. :-) Otherwise - except in this little zoo called a newsgroup - we can all "vote" as we wish just like a bunch of amateurs are "serving" the nation through their "service" of being in a hobby. LHA / WMD |
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Barry OGrady ) writes:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on with their job and go back to playing two way radios. Even if you weren't confused, you'd be confused. Amateur radio is not a service because of any public service done by licensed hams. It's a service because it is licensed by the government. It's the same useage of "service" as seen in the GMRS, "General Mobile Radio Service". When I was a kid and first licensed, it was still the "Amateur Experimental Service" here in Canada. Nothing at all to do with public service. Michael VE2BVW |
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Barry OGrady wrote:
It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on with their job and go back to playing two way radios. Really? Maybe you should talk to the emergency officals in NYC about hams and 9/11. |
Dave,
I *like* your idea. Makes more sense than code vs no-code arguements. Do so many hours per year or you loose the ticket. After so many years of having the ticket, you get a free pass once you are 65 years of age ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "Dave" wrote in message ... being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/04 |
Len Over 21 wrote:
Let's journey back in time to 17 January 1994 and the Northridge Earthquake. ALL the primary electrical power to about 10 million was shut off by a single falling MHV tower at a little after 0430.. Rest of lenny's senile drivel deleted: So based on this one incident you declare that hams have no use in emergency communications. Lenny, you are dumber than a bag of hammers. Journey back to the quake of 1985, when there was no, none, nada, phone service into or out of SF for a period of time, and only sparodic service locally and see what service the hams were providing not only for local emergency agencies but also handling traffic into and out of the area via HF. Now go take your meds and and hassle the little old ladies in your rest home. |
In article , JJ
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: Let's journey back in time to 17 January 1994 and the Northridge Earthquake. ALL the primary electrical power to about 10 million was shut off by a single falling MHV tower at a little after 0430.. Rest of lenny's senile drivel deleted: Poor baby...don't like actual facts, ey? :-) So based on this one incident you declare that hams have no use in emergency communications. No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the mythmakers and amateur propagandists. The Northridge Earthquake was a mere 10 years and 2 months ago. It affected about 10 million people from the TOTAL absence of primary electrical power. Lenny, you are dumber than a bag of hammers. Poor baby, using a mixed alliteration. That would prove you are an illiterate alliterator. :-) Journey back to the quake of 1985, when there was no, none, nada, phone service into or out of SF for a period of time, and only sparodic service locally and see what service the hams were providing not only for local emergency agencies but also handling traffic into and out of the area via HF. Of course they were...in your mind. The Loma Prieta quake was 19 years ago. More severe in Richter Scale numbers than Northridge, like the Northridge quake it affected only certain portions of the Bay Area. It was NOT a total collapse of the infrastructure by any means. While parts of the Bay Area were without electrical power, the Area was still connected to the Pacific Intertie. Unlike Loma Prieta, the entire Los Angeles area was cut off from the Intertie at a bit past 0430 hours. The Greater Los Angeles area went BLACK. No lights, nothing, nada, nyet, nicht except were the emergency generators could supply local lighting. The Loma Prieta quake started during daylight. If the infrastructure was so "immobilized" by Loma Prieta, then explain all the television coverage from the ground as well as the air. Saw quite a bit of damage in rather widely-scattered areas down here. Not only that, I called to the area using POTS and got through normally a few hours after it started. While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down." During the Northridge quake, I got a call from a relative in Florida during the afternoon, once again proving one can call in from the outside even if the switching centers are swamped to calls WITHIN an affected area. Throughout both earthquakes the public safety and utility and construction-wrecking companies were in constant communications with each other and the various local governments. Their only overload was dealing with the WORK of rescue and clean-up. They had no real problem of communications. Now go take your meds and and hassle the little old ladies in your rest home. I take my 0.5% Timulol Maleate regularly in the morning and after supper. As prescribed. I don't live in "the med" nor in any "rest home." You dwell in anonymity, without the courage to identify yourself. Are you hiding that alleged callsign because you have NO amateur radio license? Certainly appears that way to everyone. You are an UNKNOWN as well as cowardly troll, too ignorant of the world and fearful of that world finding out your true incompetence. But, your imagination must think you are a Great Hero, a Noble Communicator Serving Your Nation for having a radio hobby. :-) Now, go back to dreaming of your glory of selfless dedication to your community. You don't have it but you can't admit it... LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the mythmakers and amateur propagandists. While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down." For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or OUT of the area. Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted: It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail, much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams in emergencies, doesn't it lennie? And you can't be a part of it because you have no license and can't pass the test to get one. The Office of Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans. Now go back to the rec room of your rest home and see what the other residents are doing, maybe you can get into a game of strip checkers or something to take you mind off of your inability to get a ham license. |
In article , JJ
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the mythmakers and amateur propagandists. While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down." For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or OUT of the area. Your sentence is incorrect. Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted: It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail, much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams in emergencies, doesn't it lennie? Not at all. That hasn't been proven to the general statement you make. You desperately WANT your statement to be true but it isn't. Therefore you act tuff and try to bluff others. First of all, you don't give any amateur radio license callsign, therefore all must assume you are BOGUS. A fake. Charlatan. Poseur. A nobody trying to be a somebody. No body at all. And you can't be a part of it because you have no license and can't pass the test to get one. Irrelevant to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service." I have a commercial license. Had it since 1956. An amateur radio license - which you DO NOT VERIFY AS YOUR OWN - takes less knowledge to pass than the old First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial). You seem to forget that the Question Pool is open to inspection to the public. The Office of Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans. Oh, my! OFFICIAL recognition? :-) Has Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. been changed since that agency was created AFTER 11 September? :-) Is U.S. amateur radio primarily an emergency communications service under Homeland Security? No? Why not? All you noblemen seem to think you all deserve medals for having fun in a HOBBY. Now go back to the rec room of your rest home and see what the other residents are doing, maybe you can get into a game of strip checkers or something to take you mind off of your inability to get a ham license. "JJ," quit trying to tawk tuff. Your fake testosterone is showing. You keep HIDING your identity. Afraid to show who you really are? You don't really have any sort of license, do you? Yet you PRETEND to have one with all the tuff tawk and nastygrams in messages. Pretense and pseudo patriotism is all you have shown so far. You are ANONYMOUS. A NOBODY. A ZERO. An Unidentified Spitting Object (USO) entertaining only yourself in "the service." Get on the mailing list for "Ham Radio For Dummies" to be published soon. Study it. Learn from it. You could be somebody instead of the nobody you are in here. LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , JJ writes: Len Over 21 wrote: No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the mythmakers and amateur propagandists. While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down." For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or OUT of the area. Your sentence is incorrect. Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted: It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail, much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams in emergencies, doesn't it lennie? Not at all. That hasn't been proven to the general statement you make. You desperately WANT your statement to be true but it isn't. Therefore you act tuff and try to bluff others. You so desperately WANT to convince others that ham radio serves no purpose other than a hobby, therefor you act tough and try to bluff others. First of all, you don't give any amateur radio license callsign, therefore all must assume you are BOGUS. A fake. Charlatan. Poseur. A nobody trying to be a somebody. No body at all. Don't worry lennyboy, I do have an Advanced class, lack of display of my callsign is of no revelance to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service". You don't hold a ham license therefore you are irrelevant to any discusson on ham radio. How do I know you are really who you say you are? I think you are a fake, just someone with a bogus id, not who you say you are at all. And you can't be a part of it because you have no license and can't pass the test to get one. Irrelevant to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service." I have a commercial license. Had it since 1956. An amateur radio license - which you DO NOT VERIFY AS YOUR OWN - takes less knowledge to pass than the old First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial). You seem to forget that the Question Pool is open to inspection to the public. A commercial license that isn't worth the paper it is printed on now. I held a Second Class, got it in 1961, since expired, so what does that prove? I also hold an amateur radio operators license...you don't. The Office of Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans. Oh, my! OFFICIAL recognition? :-) Has Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. been changed since that agency was created AFTER 11 September? :-) Is U.S. amateur radio primarily an emergency communications service under Homeland Security? If other means are not available it will be. No? Why not? All you noblemen seem to think you all deserve medals for having fun in a HOBBY. Yea, ham radio operators have received lots recognition for their service in emergency communication, from local officials all the way to the Whitehouse. I don't ever remember seeing anyone standing in line for a medal. Grinds your hemroids dosen't it? You can't be a part of it because you can't or too lazy to pass the test, so you devote your time to attempting to tear down amateur radio. Stop wasting you time, it doesn't fly. You really have a hard on for those of us who took the time, have the ability to learn, and obtain a license don't you? You are ANONYMOUS. A NOBODY. A ZERO. An Unidentified Spitting Object (USO) entertaining only yourself in "the service." And as a non-ham on this group, you are a NOBODY, NADA, NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH. Get on the mailing list for "Ham Radio For Dummies" to be published soon. I spoke to the author of that book and told me he wrote it just for you, but I told him he wasted his time, he wouldn't be able to make it simple enough for you to understand. Now help up that little old lady you pushed over to rush back to the computer to post your drivel and go back to your room for you meds, the nurse is waiting for you, old man. |
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Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? |
William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? One a daily basis such as reporting traffic accidents, calling for an ambulance, and other minor emergencies, probably, but in a major disaster cell networks tend to become overloaded and useless. Ask the emergency officals in NYC about 9/11. The cell phone networks were so overloaded they were practically useless for any emergency efforts. That is why the hams were called in. Your point is? |
"William" wrote in message om... JJ wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? What's your point? The same can be said of many things. Ham radio is still a service and considered by the FCC to be of sufficient value as a service to warrant keeping it around. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Where in Part 97 of the FCC Rules and Regs -- do you see the word "Hobby" ? (answer nowhere) and where do you see the word "Service" ? Quote Title " PART 97 AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE" Now am I to believe you or the FCC ?? Here in San Diego, a ham hiker overdid it and was grossly dehydrated- his cell phone was not able to make a connection But a Ham repeater that covers all of San Diego county worked just fine SD County is 4,261 square miles. A helicopter was sent in and after several hours in a hospital the dry ham recovered Now would you call that a hobby or a service ?? This has happened time after time in disaster situations and as Walter Cronkite stated "Amateur Radio is probably the only fail-safe communications in the world" It is of no importance as to the ratio of cell phone calls to ham radio 911 calls. What is important and vital is that we have both - wouldn't you say ? -- Incognito By Necessity (:-( If you can't convince them, confuse them. - - -Harry S Truman "Bill Sohl" wrote in message hlink.net... "William" wrote in message om... JJ wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? What's your point? The same can be said of many things. Ham radio is still a service and considered by the FCC to be of sufficient value as a service to warrant keeping it around. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Incognito wrote:
Where in Part 97 of the FCC Rules and Regs -- do you see the word "Hobby" ? (answer nowhere) and where do you see the word "Service" ? Quote Title " PART 97 AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE" Now am I to believe you or the FCC ?? Here in San Diego, a ham hiker overdid it and was grossly dehydrated- his cell phone was not able to make a connection But a Ham repeater that covers all of San Diego county worked just fine SD County is 4,261 square miles. A helicopter was sent in and after several hours in a hospital the dry ham recovered Now would you call that a hobby or a service ?? This has happened time after time in disaster situations and as Walter Cronkite stated "Amateur Radio is probably the only fail-safe communications in the world" It is of no importance as to the ratio of cell phone calls to ham radio 911 calls. What is important and vital is that we have both - wouldn't you say ? -- Incognito By Necessity (:-( If you can't convince them, confuse them. - - -Harry S Truman We have to understand that there are those who envy ham radio and it's long tradition to public servicea and it's ability to come to aid in times of emergency, often being the only means of reliable communications. These envious people are too lacking in knowledge or are too lazy to do what is necessary to qualify for a ham license themselves, so the best they can to is attempt to tear down an institution that they cannot be, but desperatly want to be, a part of. |
"William" wrote in message om... JJ wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? It doesn't matter if it is more or less. Both have been used and both are valuable. We need to keep as many forms of communication as possible so that there will be at least one, preferably more than one, mode available in times of need. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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William wrote: Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? One a daily basis such as reporting traffic accidents, calling for an ambulance, and other minor emergencies, probably, but in a major disaster cell networks tend to become overloaded and useless. Ask the emergency officals in NYC about 9/11. The cell phone networks were so overloaded they were practically useless for any emergency efforts. That is why the hams were called in. Your point is? Many, many, many, many, many people claimed to have successfully used their cellular telephones fleeing from the Twin Towers. It was in the news. Post 9/11, sales of cellular phones skyrocketted. It was in the news. |
William wrote:
Many, many, many, many, many people claimed to have successfully used their cellular telephones fleeing from the Twin Towers. It was in the news. Post 9/11, sales of cellular phones skyrocketted. It was in the news. That is why the cell network was no good for any emergency assistance communications, it was people overloading the network to call someone to say they got out alive, calling everyone they knew to turn on the TV, ect. The cell network can't be counted on for emergency aid in such a crisis as everyone wants to use their phone for non emergency aid type calls. That is what I meant when I said in my post that cell networks tend to become overloaded so that they are practically useless for emergency aid, so of course there were many, many, many people making calls, that is why the network was overloaded - DUH. And the skyrocketing sales of cellular phones after 9/11 will assure that in the event of another such disaster, the network will be even more overloaded. |
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William wrote: Many, many, many, many, many people claimed to have successfully used their cellular telephones fleeing from the Twin Towers. It was in the news. Post 9/11, sales of cellular phones skyrocketted. It was in the news. That is why the cell network was no good for any emergency assistance communications, it was people overloading the network to call someone to say they got out alive, calling everyone they knew to turn on the TV, ect. The cell network can't be counted on for emergency aid in such a crisis as everyone wants to use their phone for non emergency aid type calls. That is what I meant when I said in my post that cell networks tend to become overloaded so that they are practically useless for emergency aid, so of course there were many, many, many people making calls, that is why the network was overloaded - DUH. And the skyrocketing sales of cellular phones after 9/11 will assure that in the event of another such disaster, the network will be even more overloaded. The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through using cellular telephones. Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend! |
William wrote:
The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through using cellular telephones. Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your latest peculiar theory? Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend! How does a cellphone contest work? Dave K8MN |
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... JJ wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? Lennie's insistance that Amateur Radio "always" saves the day is his way of skewing the results in his favor. Oh, contraire! Larry Roll has set up many a scenario where not only is amateur radio the ONLY means to save the day, but only ONE particular mode is suitable to save the day. He's done it again and again. Are we Not to believe Roll? Sorry, Brain... The post I responded to was from your douchebag friend. Exact same is quoted verbatim above. Don't divert the post in order to divert attention from YOUR foolishness...THAT is already public information and beyond YOUR control. My post addressed NO ONE except your chief string puller and documented liar, Lennie the Loser. His post did EXACTLY what I claimed it to...to try ans skew results in such a way as to make him appear corect. He's not. Try again, Puppet Boy. Steve, K4YZ |
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William wrote: Many, many, many, many, many people claimed to have successfully used their cellular telephones fleeing from the Twin Towers. It was in the news. Post 9/11, sales of cellular phones skyrocketted. It was in the news. That is why the cell network was no good for any emergency assistance communications, it was people overloading the network to call someone to say they got out alive, calling everyone they knew to turn on the TV, ect. The cell network can't be counted on for emergency aid in such a crisis as everyone wants to use their phone for non emergency aid type calls. That is what I meant when I said in my post that cell networks tend to become overloaded so that they are practically useless for emergency aid, so of course there were many, many, many people making calls, that is why the network was overloaded - DUH. And the skyrocketing sales of cellular phones after 9/11 will assure that in the event of another such disaster, the network will be even more overloaded. That holds for virtually any "service". Electric companies do not want to invest in too much equipment that will sit idle most of the time, so they can have problems when there is a sudden temporary surge in useage. But such surges are uncommon, so it would be a waste to have capacity at all times to deal with them. The phone companies do pretty well most of the time, but on peak days, like holidays, they may suffere a lack of bandwidth. Again, it's not worth having that much bandwidth available at all times when it would usually sit unused. Many ISPs offer "unlimited" hours, but if everyone tried to get on for all those hours, it would break down. Likewise, they will not have a phone line for every single user. It works because not everyone uses as much time as others, and not everyone wants to call in at the same time. And that's where amateur radio comes in. Emergency preparedness is always a gamble. Do we spend money on something that will see little or no use, just in case of an emergency, or do we spend the money on necessities, and risk not being able to handle emergencies? If there is an "auxiliary" who have their own radios (saves money) and has some ability in using those radios (saves staff) then that money does not have to be spent "just in case". If there is never an emergency, hams will go on because their interest is not primarily in providing emergency communication. It is a hobby, which means they should get more practical use with the radios than if they took a training weekend once a year. They want the radios for their hobby, so they gladly pay for the equipment. But just as an electric company can usually buy power from another company on the grid when there is a surge in demand, amateur radio is there to draw on when an emergency comes up that cannot be handled with regular equipment and staff. Michael VE2BVW |
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William wrote: The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through using cellular telephones. Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your latest peculiar theory? Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend! How does a cellphone contest work? Dave K8MN This was discussed in CQ in the mid-sixties. The phone company wanted to set up an alternative to amateur radio, including sending equipment to rare countries for DXpeditions. But it would be all done over phone lines. I can't remember which year, 1965 or 1968 somehow ring a bell, but I can definitely tell you it was in the April issue. Michael |
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Dave Heil wrote:
William wrote: The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through using cellular telephones. Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your latest peculiar theory? Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend! How does a cellphone contest work? The first annual cell phone contest: March 6-7, 2004 The object of the contest is to demonstrate as many cell phone activities as possible during the 24 hour period of the contest. The exchange is "I am (give location), I am going to (give location(, and I will be there in (give estimated time) minutes. Buh-bye!" Of course, all the contacts must start with "can you hear me?...Can you hear me now? Points are scored by number of contacts, but what really pumps the score up is the multipliers: X2 multiplier for operating while driving. X2 Multiplier for driving at least 15 mph over the speed limit while driving A multiplier is achieved for each red light you drive through while talking. Accidents you cause while talking achieve a X5 multiplier! If you use your cell phone to send pix of the accident you caused while on the phone, you get an X10 multiplier!!! No artificial aids are allowed. This means no headsets. Use you phone like God meant you to Right up to the ear. Anyone found using a voice dialer is instantly disqualified. Besides, those artificial aids interfere with you collecting the really big mult's! |
William wrote:
The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through using cellular telephones. Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend! The NYC emergency officials sure were not relying on individuals with cell phones and the cell network to handle emergency communications, that is why they called the hams to assist. |
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William wrote: The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through using cellular telephones. Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your latest peculiar theory? David, there is no theory. I merely stated a fact. Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend! How does a cellphone contest work? Dave K8MN David, now you're being obtuse. What's new? |
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Len Over 21 wrote:
The answer is painfully obvious...except for mobile installations and shacks in the deep woods, there is very little emergency preparedness by radio amateurs...in everything from equipment to individual training. Lennyboy you are so far off base it isn't even funny. |
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(William) wrote in message om... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... JJ wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that amateur radio always jumps in to save the day. Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times. That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your goat doesn't it? Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century? Lennie's insistance that Amateur Radio "always" saves the day is his way of skewing the results in his favor. Oh, contraire! Larry Roll has set up many a scenario where not only is amateur radio the ONLY means to save the day, but only ONE particular mode is suitable to save the day. He's done it again and again. Are we Not to believe Roll? Sorry, Brain... The post I responded to was from your douchebag friend. Exact same is quoted verbatim above. Stebe, I have no douche bag friends, unless you believe yourself to be my friend. So, has Roll not claimed that Ham Radio always saves the day? Don't divert the post in order to divert attention from YOUR foolishness...THAT is already public information and beyond YOUR control. My personal opinion is that your posts call enough attention to your foolishness. My post addressed NO ONE except your chief string puller and documented liar, Lennie the Loser. His post did EXACTLY what I claimed it to...to try ans skew results in such a way as to make him appear corect. He's not. But I am free to comment on -whatever- you post in a public forum. If you don't like it, you and Len can take it to private e-mail. I'll know that you have done this by a lack of public postings on your part. Try again, Puppet Boy. Steve, K4YZ What exactly am I to try again? |
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