JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote:



You lie. You were w/o ham capability prior to becoming licensed.

It would be obvious to anyone with more than three working brain cells
that the statement applies to the period in which I hold a valid ham
radio operator's license.

JJ...common sense and a bit of adult maturity would have
precluded any reasonable person in this forum from using such a lame
and childish "answer"...

More evidence that this coward has nothing valid to offer except
childish sandlot accusations. Did we expect anything less?

Steve, K4YZ

Not if you needed to call Dee, it didn't! 8^)


- Mike KB3EIA -

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
Not here.... mine worked great!

Ryan KC8PMX



In the power outage of August 2003, I personally experienced the erratic
availability of cell phones.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

William wrote:


I think I've got your statements figured out.

Cell phones or cell phone systems may break down and leave you w/o communications.

Amateur radio may break down and leave you without communications.

It is possible, but what are the odds that both will be down at the same
times, especially since I have backup for ham radio. It is much more
likely that the cell phone or cell phone system will leave me without
cell phone communications than my ham radio will leave me without the
ability to communicate via ham radio.

NexTel, &diety's gift to first responders with their PTT feature, lacks more than a few hours
of battery backup at their tower sites and that is only if the batteries have been maintained.
After that it's "The Number You Dialed Is not Working"


Steve
N2UBP

Steve Stone wrote:

NexTel, &diety's gift to first responders with their PTT feature, lacks more than a few hours
of battery backup at their tower sites and that is only if the batteries have been maintained.
After that it's "The Number You Dialed Is not Working"


Steve
N2UBP


I just came from a seminar with USN Rear Admiral Daniel Stone, Director
of Logistics and Engineering for NORAD/USNORTHCOM, he reports directly
to General Eberhart, commander of NORAD. One of the issues discussed
was emergency communications in times of disasters like 9/11. I ask him
about the use of cell phones during such times, he just laughed and said
that the cell phone network was useless for any emergency comms in such
a scenario. Witless willie's cell phone network is not even a
consideration in their emergency planning. He also works with The Office
of Homeland Defense on emergengy communications issues and he confirmed
that the OHD is attempting to intergrate Amateur Radio in their plans
for emergency comms.

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Not if you needed to call Dee, it didn't! 8^)


- Mike KB3EIA -


Good one Mike and absolutely correct.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
Not here.... mine worked great!

Ryan KC8PMX



In the power outage of August 2003, I personally experienced the erratic
availability of cell phones.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

JJ wrote in message ...

I just came from a seminar with USN Rear Admiral Daniel Stone, Director
of Logistics and Engineering for NORAD/USNORTHCOM, he reports directly
to General Eberhart, commander of NORAD. One of the issues discussed
was emergency communications in times of disasters like 9/11.

Absolutely should be discussed.

I ask him
about the use of cell phones during such times, he just laughed and said
that the cell phone network was useless for any emergency comms in such
a scenario.

For military use, absolutely. I wouldn't expect a senior military
official to respond differently.

Witless willie's cell phone network is not even a
consideration in their emergency planning.

Shouldn't be. It's not secure.

He also works with The Office
of Homeland Defense on emergengy communications issues and he confirmed
that the OHD is attempting to intergrate Amateur Radio in their plans
for emergency comms.

As they should; the military has backups to backups. Redundancy
equals Survivability.

Now lets talk about Average Citizen (AC). AC has actually used
cellular telephones IN the 9/11 emergency. Many ACs had successful
communications. AC has greater access to the cellular telephone
system than they have to amateur radio. For many ACs, cellular is
their emergency comms.

Do you doubt it?

JJ wrote in message ...
And witless William also wrote:


I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones
play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you?

Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio
will be there if needed.

This weekend will see "Heartland Response 2004" conducted in
Western Tennessee and parts of Mississippi, Arkansas, Kentucky and
Missouri.

It will simulate (among other things) and earthquake along the
New Madrid fault.

One of the scenarios to be practiced for will be the loss of
commercial telephone service, both conventional hardline and wireless
service.

Of the several senarios that WON'T be playing will be one wherein
cellphones are deployed to provide "emergency comms" because of a loss
of RADIO communication, regardless of whose radio service it is.

Among other features to be deployed will be HIGHBIRD missions
flown by Civil Air Patrol to provide orbiting radio relay capabilites
in addition to datalink service.

Yours truly will be at the EOC in Nashville. As of this hour I
do not find the names of "Brian Burke" or "Leonard Anderson" among
those consultants being brought in by FEMA, The Army Corps of
Engineers, TEMA, or other supporting agencies.

ARES and RACES will be represented, however.

Go figure, huh...?!?!?

Steve, K4YZ

PS: If any of you are "Utility DXers" and log "TENNESSEECAP TEMA" or
"TENNESSEECAP 250" on Saturday the 20th or Sunday the 21st, QSL via
K4YZ and I'll be glad to return a card for you.

73

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:



For military use, absolutely. I wouldn't expect a senior military
official to respond differently.

No, not just for military use, they are coordinating between military,
police, fire, Civil Defense, and other civil agencies, and cell phones
play no part.


Now lets talk about Average Citizen (AC). AC has actually used
cellular telephones IN the 9/11 emergency. Many ACs had successful
communications. AC has greater access to the cellular telephone
system than they have to amateur radio. For many ACs, cellular is
their emergency comms.

Do you doubt it?

It dosen't even work well for the AC when the networks become so
overloaded you can't get a call through. The AC is not participating in
official emergency communicatins, they are making calls to say, "Im OK",
or "turn on your TV", and other such non official emergency calls. When
something like 9/11 happens everyone with a cell phone wants to call
twenty other people making the system usless for any official emergency
communicatioins.
The cell phone network is not a consideration amoung government and
civil agencies for emergency communications, ham radio is.

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

And witless William also wrote:



I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones
play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you?

Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio
will be there if needed.


This weekend will see "Heartland Response 2004" conducted in
Western Tennessee and parts of Mississippi, Arkansas, Kentucky and
Missouri.

It will simulate (among other things) and earthquake along the
New Madrid fault.

One of the scenarios to be practiced for will be the loss of
commercial telephone service, both conventional hardline and wireless
service.

Oh oh! how on earth will their be any emergency services, not to
mention calling out for Pizza? ;^)


Of the several senarios that WON'T be playing will be one wherein
cellphones are deployed to provide "emergency comms" because of a loss
of RADIO communication, regardless of whose radio service it is.

Among other features to be deployed will be HIGHBIRD missions
flown by Civil Air Patrol to provide orbiting radio relay capabilites
in addition to datalink service.

Yours truly will be at the EOC in Nashville. As of this hour I
do not find the names of "Brian Burke" or "Leonard Anderson" among
those consultants being brought in by FEMA, The Army Corps of
Engineers, TEMA, or other supporting agencies.

I heard they were planning on checking in with their cellphones as part
of the CYHMNEPT (Can You Hear Me Now Emergency Preparedness Team) 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -