Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/30/2004 7:43 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Acting on recommendations from APCO (Lennie can tell you who THEY
are...)
it was encouraged that the national emergency number be depicted as three
discreet numbers, ie: 9-1-1. Please refer to the logo on almost any
emergency
vehicle in the United States.

If it would be any easier for you, I can use 9.1.1., but there are no
periods on the phone either.

Steve, K4YZ

Why do you insist on inserting superfluous characters in the string?

So...the recommendation of one of this nation's most respected professional
communicators association is, in YOUR estimation, "superflous"...?!?!

Maybe that's why we "lovingly" call you "Brain"...as in lack of...

Probably the same reason why you insisted the FCC keep superfluous
requirements in amateur radio testing.

What's "superflous"...?!?!

If you mean Morse Code testing, neither you nor Lennie have shown me where
the Morse Code is "superflous" to Amateur Radio practice.

Do you enjoy being wrong so often?

So far, the only thing I've done "wrong" is to mention some parts of my
military servcie where it was not pertinent...My bad.

As far as Morse Code utilization in the Amateur Radio Service goes, I
wholeheartedly recommend that YOU take some time to cruise the narrowband parts
of the HF Amateur allocations.

Has this become a part-time job for you?

Doesn't pay much, does it?

You mean getting to rub your nose in your lies, Brain?

It's worth it just to see you fidgit and tap-dance around your own
silliness.

Steve, K4YZ

PS...For what I make in my "real" job, I can write this off as entertainment!
I ought to send you an IRS form 1099 this year.

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/30/2004 7:45 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
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So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty
good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ

Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

Probably the same way the 910 and the 912 operator does.

Why would the 9-1-1 operator WANT to talk to you?

Did YOU initiate the RFS via autopatch? If not, they have nothing to say
to you...9-1-1 operators wait for you to call them, not vice-versa.

And if you DID initiate the call, I imagine they talk to you the same way
they'd talk to me...In English. If you DIDN'T initiate the call, I guess the
9-1-1 operator isn't GOING to talk to you.

I am wondering where you're trying to take this and what point you're
trying to save from all of this spinning, Brain. If you don't initiate the
call, they aren't going to talk to you...REGARDLESS if the call came via
hardline, wireless or Amateur Radio autopatch.

I realize that there's a bit of common sense in that that's hard for you
to assimilate, but it's true.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:
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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
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So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -

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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
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So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -

When was the last time you availed your amateur radio transceiver to a
non-amateur for emergency purposes? You, your license, and your
equipment isn't there when they need it, is it?

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

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Oh well, I have mixed thoughts on the "new censorship " going on. I
prefer the airways cleaned up, but I would just as soon have Howard
removed from them because he stinks than for his profanity.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Few practice personal responsibility.

My rule is that if its indecent for children, its indecent for adults.

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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -


When was the last time you availed your amateur radio transceiver to a
non-amateur for emergency purposes? You, your license, and your
equipment isn't there when they need it, is it?

Never have, and since I'd be the control op, I'd not be likely to.

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Of course the cellphone is a good thing for reporting emergencies. And
if I have one, I'll use it if I'm out of my repeater area. The nearly
universal use of the things almost guarantees *someone* will pass by
that can call emergency services.

I doubt that Amateur radio ever filled that local "see an accident and
call 911" niche. Of course the ham could call using autopatch, but there
just weren't enough people to give such a coverage as cellphones could.

But at least in our area, I can better contact emergency services
through my HT than I can my cell phone. So that is what I use. Those
with only cell phone access can try to use that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
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I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

In as much as you are obviously narrowing your scope to "the average
citizen" making what would be considered a "routine" 9-1-1 call under "normal"
circumstances you'd be correct.

In the scope of "emergency communications" as it pertains to the Amateur
Radio Service and within the scope of discussion OF "emergency communications,
you ae still trying to compare apples and oranges.

Your bad. Try again.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:51 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/30/2004 7:45 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
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So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty
good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ

Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

Probably the same way the 910 and the 912 operator does.

Why would the 9-1-1 operator WANT to talk to you?

Keep tap dancing. It's funny.

I am not the one dancing, PuppetBoy.

Did YOU initiate the RFS via autopatch? If not, they have nothing to
say
to you...9-1-1 operators wait for you to call them, not vice-versa.

You forget so quickly.

Nope. Just pointing out how you keep trying to dodge the point.

And if you DID initiate the call, I imagine they talk to you the same
way
they'd talk to me...In English. If you DIDN'T initiate the call, I guess
the
9-1-1 operator isn't GOING to talk to you.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

What 911 operator? You mean the 9-1-1 operator? He/She uses the same
hardline telephone or dispatch console they use every day...THAT is connected
via hardline to the repeater site. Then they are put ON-THE-AIR via your
repeater.

I am wondering where you're trying to take this and what point you're
trying to save from all of this spinning, Brain.

No spinning. You made a statement. Now explain it.

I have and I have.

If you don't initiate the
call, they aren't going to talk to you...REGARDLESS if the call came via
hardline, wireless or Amateur Radio autopatch.

I realize that there's a bit of common sense in that that's hard for
you
to assimilate, but it's true.

Steve has no explanation for thie things he says (statements of fact).
So he tries to clown his way out of it. Whatta Bozo.

Like I've said...better anything else than a liar, Brian, and you've
proven yourself that.

Nice job.

Steve, K4YZ