Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:57 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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PS...For what I make in my "real" job, I can write this off as
entertainment!
I ought to send you an IRS form 1099 this year.

Please, no. No direct correspondence with you.

Oh no, Brain...I'll send the 1099 direct to Uncle Sam...

If we had ever QSO'd, I would recommend you use the buro.

In as much as you ahve yet to prove you've ever made a single QSO from a
location from which I could USE a buro, I would.

And don't brag and gloat about the high cost of health care. John
Kerry will change all that if he gets in office.

I am the LAST one to "brag" about the "high cost of health care", Your
Putziness.

I think it sucks.

And if John Kerry makes it to the White House, his "health care reform"
will likely be no more successful that Hillary Rotten Clinton's was, and will
undoubedly be nothing more than "tax 'em till they choke" to pay for it. It
will, like other Democratic suggestions, look grand and compassionate while
still in the wrapping, yet will wilt rapidly when expeosed to the daylight of
scrutiny of the bean counters.

"Health Care's" high costs are principally due to this Nation's inability
(and unwillingness) to overcome lobbyists and the Trial Lawyer's Association.
Put caps on rediculous lawsuits and absolutely astronomical lawyers fees and
incentives and "health care" costs will become more manageable in short order.


Let hospitals and other health care professionals start counter-suing
everytime a frivilous suit is brought against us and pretty soon the word will
get around that if you don't have a VERY valid claim, you'd best think twice.

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.

Now...care to discuss a topic for which you may be adequately informed and
prepared?

We've pretty well ruled out health care issues and Amateur Radio.
Meterology, perhasp?

Steve, K4YZ

"William" wrote in message
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I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Everyone has indicated that it's great for the individualized emergency
instances like a car accident, etc. But it has no place in widespread
emergencies like hurricanes, earthquakes and so on as it simply can't be
counted on under that type of condition.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
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Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member? I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
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So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -


When was the last time you availed your amateur radio transceiver to a
non-amateur for emergency purposes? You, your license, and your
equipment isn't there when they need it, is it?

Never have, and since I'd be the control op, I'd not be likely to.

I've allowed not amateurs to use my station, and I'm still the control
op. That's the law.

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Of course the cellphone is a good thing for reporting emergencies. And
if I have one, I'll use it if I'm out of my repeater area. The nearly
universal use of the things almost guarantees *someone* will pass by
that can call emergency services.

Thank you for noticing that. It has been missed by Robo-nurse and the
unlicensed JJ.

I doubt that Amateur radio ever filled that local "see an accident and
call 911" niche. Of course the ham could call using autopatch, but there
just weren't enough people to give such a coverage as cellphones could.

Prior to decent cell coverage, that's exactly how it was done. Of
course, lots of people bled to death, too. Still do.

But at least in our area, I can better contact emergency services
through my HT than I can my cell phone. So that is what I use. Those
with only cell phone access can try to use that.

Agreed. And some will get through and some will not. Many
non-amateurs actually realize that their cordless telecommunications
device may actually work better by changing position, going outdoors,
or going to a higher elevation, just like in the commercial, "Can you
hear me now?"

But unlicensed JJ and Steve are so certain that everyone else is
stupid.

bb

William wrote:



I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,

But not much.

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member?

Yes.

I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

Ask any licensed, currently practicing health care professional. Many carry
more, and some specialties (like obstetrics) carry a lot more. Such coverage is
not inexpensive, and in some areas medical care providers are simply closing
down or moving because of the high cost of malpractice insurance. It is one of
the reasons (not the only one) for the high cost of medical care in the USA.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Everyone has indicated that it's great for the individualized emergency
instances like a car accident, etc.

No, they haven't. Please refer to any and all JJ posts.

He has an axe to grind, and he'll go down with his boat on this one.

But it has no place in widespread
emergencies like hurricanes, earthquakes and so on as it simply can't be
counted on under that type of condition.

No place at all?

Sounds like you're going down on JJ's boat.