"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:
[snip]
In some states, you can no longer get your child's immunizations
administered at your pediatrician's office for this very reason. Instead
you have to go to the county board of health and sign a form that says
you
have been told that there are occasional deaths and you can't sue the
government.

I hadn't heard that one, Dee. A true Catch-22 situation, because many
immunizations are required by law in order for a kid to go to school.

And from a medical and scientific standpoint, the risk of the disease is
far
worse than the risk of the immunization.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I don't know when this started but I know that this was the case in Ohio in
1987 when my younger daughter was born. The fact that states require the
immunizations for school is why the county boards of health were required to
make the shots available to all at cost. While they were actually cheaper
via the county board of health, there was often no physician on hand in case
of problems.

Yes many people are unaware of the death rates from some of these diseases.
For example, the death rate among children who caught whooping cough was
50%.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

JJ wrote:
Steveo wrote:


JJ the no-call ham.

Again, make up you feeble mind, you say I am a ham but I have no call.
Care to explain that since if I am a ham that means I have a call. Never
mind, what else would one expect from a stupid cber?

You're not a ham, you're a CBer wannabe.

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

I don't know when this started but I know that this was the case in Ohio in
1987 when my younger daughter was born. The fact that states require the
immunizations for school is why the county boards of health were required to
make the shots available to all at cost. While they were actually cheaper
via the county board of health, there was often no physician on hand in case
of problems.

Amazing.

Yes many people are unaware of the death rates from some of these diseases.
For example, the death rate among children who caught whooping cough was
50%.

I didn't know it was that bad.

There is also a lot of bad science out there involving immunizations. For
example, there are still folks trying to sell the idea that immunizations are
somehow a cause of autism, even though repeated scientific studies have shown
no causality. There *is* a sort of correlation in that the first definitive
signs of autism are usually observed about the age of many common
immunizations.

73 de Jim, N2EY

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 4/1/2004 12:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Sounds like you're going down on JJ's boat.

At least we can throw him a life preserver.

You, on the otherhand, are going down on Lennie.

You always say the most perverted things.

That we can't help you with.

Right. Pffft. Whacko.

bb

Steveo wrote in message ...

JJ the no-call ham.

No Call = No Ham

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...

Sometimes we focus on the wrong things. Medical malpractice kills
more people than guns.

But is it medical malpractice when one out of a million dies from a
vaccination? How can a physician predict who that might be? Should he be
sued over it? These days he can and for a huge sum. He's following the
best medical practices yet he is held liable when that one of a million
occurs.

The bean counters at Lily figure in the cost of a human life into
their sales.

The attorneys at Lilly manage to cut that cost in half.

In some states, you can know longer get your child's immunizations
administered at your pediatrician's office for this very reason. Instead
you have to go to the county board of health and sign a form that says you
have been told that there are occasional deaths and you can't sue the
government.

Then there are other attorneys that say you can sue the governemnt not
matter what form you sign.

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

I don't know when this started but I know that this was the case in Ohio
in
1987 when my younger daughter was born. The fact that states require the
immunizations for school is why the county boards of health were required
to
make the shots available to all at cost. While they were actually
cheaper
via the county board of health, there was often no physician on hand in
case
of problems.

Amazing.

Yes many people are unaware of the death rates from some of these
diseases.
For example, the death rate among children who caught whooping cough was
50%.

I didn't know it was that bad.


Yup. Like you, most people don't know how high the fatality rate was. The
reason is simple. Whooping cough, the Pertussis in DPT, was a very serious
disease. However very, very few people have ever seen a case. It was
pretty much brought under control 50 years or more ago. People have seen
the wide variety of stuff lumped under "croup" and have mis-applied the term
whooping cough to various severe coughs but they are not the same thing.

There is also a lot of bad science out there involving immunizations. For
example, there are still folks trying to sell the idea that immunizations
are
somehow a cause of autism, even though repeated scientific studies have
shown
no causality. There *is* a sort of correlation in that the first
definitive
signs of autism are usually observed about the age of many common
immunizations.


Even if there were a causal effect, the odds of this happening are so very
much lower than the odds of dying should the child contract Whooping Cough
that it's far better to get the immunizations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

N2EY wrote:
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:


I don't know when this started but I know that this was the case in Ohio in
1987 when my younger daughter was born. The fact that states require the
immunizations for school is why the county boards of health were required to
make the shots available to all at cost. While they were actually cheaper
via the county board of health, there was often no physician on hand in case
of problems.


Amazing.

Yes many people are unaware of the death rates from some of these diseases.
For example, the death rate among children who caught whooping cough was
50%.


I didn't know it was that bad.

There is also a lot of bad science out there involving immunizations. For
example, there are still folks trying to sell the idea that immunizations are
somehow a cause of autism, even though repeated scientific studies have shown
no causality. There *is* a sort of correlation in that the first definitive
signs of autism are usually observed about the age of many common
immunizations.


The very success of immunizations has been a big part of the
controversy sround their continued use. "After all, no one gets these
diseases anymore, so why should we immunize for them?"

Stupid logic, but there are some pretty stupid people out there.

If they think immunizations are bad, they should see how bad not
immunization is.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

Yes many people are unaware of the death rates from some of these
diseases.
For example, the death rate among children who caught whooping cough was
50%.

I didn't know it was that bad.


Yup. Like you, most people don't know how high the fatality rate was. The
reason is simple. Whooping cough, the Pertussis in DPT, was a very serious
disease. However very, very few people have ever seen a case. It was
pretty much brought under control 50 years or more ago. People have seen
the wide variety of stuff lumped under "croup" and have mis-applied the term
whooping cough to various severe coughs but they are not the same thing.

Same for "flu" and "influenza". Etc.

I recall a documentary about Dr. Benjamin Spock, who was born in the year 1900.
At that time, the death rate for American babies was 10% in the first year -
that is, 1 in 10 babies born alive in the USA were dead before their first
birthday. I don't know the exact rate today but it's a lot lower.

There is also a lot of bad science out there involving immunizations. For
example, there are still folks trying to sell the idea that immunizations
are
somehow a cause of autism, even though repeated scientific studies have
shown
no causality. There *is* a sort of correlation in that the first
definitive
signs of autism are usually observed about the age of many common
immunizations.


Even if there were a causal effect, the odds of this happening are so very
much lower than the odds of dying should the child contract Whooping Cough
that it's far better to get the immunizations.

But that requires understanding the nature of risk and the consequences of the
various choices. And some math.

73 es stay healthy de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

There is also a lot of bad science out there involving immunizations. For
example, there are still folks trying to sell the idea that immunizations
are
somehow a cause of autism, even though repeated scientific studies have
shown
no causality. There *is* a sort of correlation in that the first definitive
signs of autism are usually observed about the age of many common
immunizations.

The very success of immunizations has been a big part of the
controversy sround their continued use. "After all, no one gets these
diseases anymore, so why should we immunize for them?"

Agreed. And of course the reason such diseases are almost gone is - universal
immunization.

Stupid logic, but there are some pretty stupid people out there.

If they think immunizations are bad, they should see how bad not
immunization is.

Yep. This is one reason why the study of history - real history - is so
important.

--

It's also important to distinguish between "medical malpractice" and "medical
mistakes".

73 de Jim, N2EY