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(Nursie, off work and with too much caffeine) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 1:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/27/2004 7:28 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/26/2004 2:25 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his described duty with the 3rd Marine Division. I've never described any duty with 3rdMARDIV. I was never a part of 3rdMARDIV. Never said I was. 3rd Marine Division is based on Okinawa. You said you were there. OK, so we've established you were never on Okinawa. Lennie....I was ALWAYS an airwinger in the USMC. Now...GO BACK and do some MORE websurfing and see if your immense websurfing talents can figure out how I was on Okinawa and NOT a part of 3rd MARDIV. Sheeeeeesh....what an idiot. Nursie's self-proclaimed "career" is NOT the SUBJECT. But you MADE it the "SUBJECT", Lennie, right up until THIS post, in which it's obvious that you once again found oput that you DON'T have all the facts and you DON'T know what you are talking about. Nice try to shift the focus off of your faux pas. The SUBJECT is the claim that "MARS is amateur radio. Uh huh... That's what the SUBJECT line is... Got Willie caught under the rocking chair again, and it hurt. Always a problem to the well-endowed... No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Your strict dependence upon published directives would have made you very popular in the Third Reich, Lennie, but it's no good here. Okay, so explain the 35 print pages required by Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. Nowhere in those printed - and very official - U.S. amateur radio regulations is MARS (Military Affiliate Radio System) defined by the FCC. MARS isn't authorized to use amateur radio frequencies. The "M" in MARS stands for MILITARY. MARS exists through DoD Directive 4650.2 with particular military service branch regulations AR 25-6, AFI 33-106, USN NTP8(C). MARS nets and stations can communicate directly with other MARS stations and with federal authorities using military radio equipment and military radio personnel. Without Directive 4650.2 there would be NO MARS. MARS is NOT amateur radio. Now...YOU brought up my USMC service and made insinuating comments vis-a-vis same. I gave you MORE than enough information on now to verify that which YOU claim is UNverified. No. Tell us all about those "hostile action" incidents, the where and when. No one can "verify" things that don't exist. Outside of your imagination, that is... :-) So NOW you're ducking out from acknowedging the FACTS. "Facts?" Fantasy facts? Of course. If you imagined it, it HAPPENED! :-) Putz, liar AND coward ! ! ! ! Tsk, tsk, tsk... still acting the schoolyard bully all the way to your mid-life crisis...:-) LHA / WMD |
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 1:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: MARS is NOT amateur radio. That is repeated in AR 25-6, AFI 33-106, USN-USMC Communications Instruction NTP8 (C). MARS is NOT amateur radio. Amateur Radio is the entity with which the MILITARY is AFFILIATED with... No Amateur Radio = No MARS. It really is THAT simple. Your intelligence is "THAT simple." If MARS required amateur radio to exist, then it would not need the military documents creating it and regulating it. Sure it would. Any authorized interaction between the Armed Forces and any civilian entity requires that it be authorized by appropriate headquarters. The Red Cross, Civil Air Patrol, US Coast Guard Auxiliary, etc etc are "civilian" organizations, yet there are MILITARY regulations that enable interaction between the Armed Forces and those entities. Are you telling me that those organizations wouldn't exist without a "military document creating and regulating it"...?!?! I understand that YOUR point is that MARS is a program promulgated BY the Armed Forces. The FACTS are that MARS needs those civilian operators to make the program work. The FACTS are that almost all of the persons running the program are NOT military personnel and are NOT on the payroll of DoD to be there. The FCC doesn't define MARS or regulate MARS or anything else about MARS. It doesn't have to. MARS is MILITARY. The Department of Defense has explained it. Sure it is. And without licensed Amateur Radio operators to "staff" the program with, it wouldn't be able to function. It would be "defunct". Have you found out what an AN/FRC-93 is yet? Have you been issued an NNN0xxx/T callsign yet? How about a KG6xxx callsign? How does it pertain to Amateur Radio and it's interaction with the MARS program...??? Why do you find it necessary to try and redirect when you know you are in a corner? [we know you haven't seen, let alone read DoD Directive 4650.2, much less NTP 8(C)...quit trying to bluff your way out of this] I am not trying to "bluff" my way "out" of anything, Sir Scumbag. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. It really is THAT simple. MARS is NOT amateur radio. [except in your imagination...] Dismissed. Not by a documented pathological liar like you, Lennie. Not in this life or forum, nor any other. Now...How's that MARS application coming? Passed that "Extra Lite" out of the box yet? How about that Part 15-legal station you were going to put on 20 meters? Or perhaps you'd like to regale us with more of your exploits as a student pilot in the 50's? You certainly got your tailed rocked on when you tried ot demonstrate your knowledge about current NAVAID systems and CAP's active aircraft inventory, yet you continue to denigrate my licensure as a pilot. That's available on the Internet. Then we can move along to your investigation as to wheter or not my "service claims" are valid or not. You've certainly been provided more than enough information to get THAT right by now. That's available on the Internet, too. And while you're at it, please tell us once again how many pieces of traffic YOU were directly responsible for handling in 1953 while assigned as a rear area radio clerk? "1.2 million", was it...?!?!? Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: MARS exists through DoD Directive 4650.2 with particular military service branch regulations AR 25-6, AFI 33-106, USN NTP8(C). MARS nets and stations can communicate directly with other MARS stations and with federal authorities using military radio equipment and military radio personnel. Without Directive 4650.2 there would be NO MARS. MARS is NOT amateur radio. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Now...YOU brought up my USMC service and made insinuating comments vis-a-vis same. I gave you MORE than enough information on now to verify that which YOU claim is UNverified. No. Tell us all about those "hostile action" incidents, the where and when. No one can "verify" things that don't exist. Outside of your imagination, that is. Uh uh, Lennie! YOU said my very service in the USMC was bogus. Still waiting for you to substantiate THAT claim! Putz, liar AND coward ! ! ! ! Tsk, tsk, tsk... still acting the schoolyard bully all the way to your mid-life crisis. It ain't bullying if it's true. You are a putz, you are a liar, and you ARE a coward. Steve, K4YZ |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: MARS exists through DoD Directive 4650.2 with particular military service branch regulations AR 25-6, AFI 33-106, USN NTP8(C). MARS nets and stations can communicate directly with other MARS stations and with federal authorities using military radio equipment and military radio personnel. Without Directive 4650.2 there would be NO MARS. MARS is NOT amateur radio. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. MARS exists as a MILITARY radio service. It can continue to do so on its own, without civilian volunteers. The FCC doesn't define MARS, never has. MARS is MILITARY. Now...YOU brought up my USMC service and made insinuating comments vis-a-vis same. I gave you MORE than enough information on now to verify that which YOU claim is UNverified. No. Tell us all about those "hostile action" incidents, the where and when. No one can "verify" things that don't exist. Outside of your imagination, that is. Uh uh, Lennie! YOU said my very service in the USMC was bogus. No. We really don't know what nursie did with any credence. The "hostile action" brags have never ever been detailed as to place and date. Still waiting for you to substantiate THAT claim! It's not up to me to "verify" YOUR bragging. You made the "hostile action" claim. YOU reference it. Putz, liar AND coward ! ! ! ! Tsk, tsk, tsk... still acting the schoolyard bully all the way to your mid-life crisis. It ain't bullying if it's true. Okay, verify, by references and proof, those "hostile actions." Your imagination doesn't count. [nature abhors a vacuum...] You really can't verify what you did through any third-party sources, can you? All you do is demand others "call up the VA" or some other bogus source, never supplying any factual data or any names of associated parties who were also in those "hostile actions." All you can do in response is holler and swear at others, typical bully behavior. That doesn't work, doesn't stop anyone else from challenging your brags. Memorial Day is coming up. Try to remember the where and when of those "hostile actions" and then state it in here. Otherwise, retract that brag of "hostile actions." Memorial Day is for REAL heroes, not the big-mouth bass jumping for attention in this little pond. You are a putz, you are a liar, and you ARE a coward. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More hollering and swearing. Wipe off your monitor, the saliva is running down the faceplate. What will Mrs. Nursie think? LHA / WMD |
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/29/2004 12:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Then we can move along to your investigation as to wheter or not my "service claims" are valid or not. You've certainly been provided more than enough information to get THAT right by now. That's available on the Internet, too. The United States government put up a web page referencing nursie's "military career?!?" [I think not...can't find one] The Veterans Administration has a web page referencing the "hero of hostile actions?!?" [I think not...can't find one] Has ANY government agency put up a web page all about nursie, the "hero of hostile actions?!?" [I think not...not there] "Provided more than enough information?" Hardly. We don't know squat about the date and location of those "hostile actions." Lots of bluff and bluster, shouting, hollering, and nursie name- calling. Tsk, tsk, tsk... The bluffing, bluster, shouting and hollering are yours, Lennie. Guess you'd rather get your nose rubbed in your weakness and inability to confirm my having served in the Armed Forces than to acutally do the research and find out that you were, once again, proven wrong. And while you're at it, please tell us once again how many pieces of traffic YOU were directly responsible for handling in 1953 while assigned as a rear area radio clerk? "1.2 million", was it...?!?!? Now, now, you're still doing the personal attack thing. I was never a "radio clerk." Sure you were. You claimed that YOU were responsible for handling "1.2 million" pieces of traffic during your tenure at ADA. Technicians and maintenence personnel do not handle traffic. They fix the boxes that the radio clerks use to pass the traffic. MOS 281.6, Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance...(SNIP) YaddaYaddaYadda. If YOU handled the traffic, then you are misleading us as to what your real MOS was. Supervisor [the dot-six in that old MOS nomenclature stood for supervisor].....(SNIP TO) I wrote long ago is still an estimate based on 9-out-of-12 days at the station and 8 hour shifts. Any way you slice it, nursie, that's a LOT of message traffic...and every shift supervisor is responsible for keeping those messages going out. Still doesn't wash Lennie. You were either responsible for the maintenence of the equipment or you were responsible for the operation of it, ie: traffic handling. Had you ever done any military communications, you would under- stand that. But, you didn't, so you don't. I did and I do. You were either a radio clerk or a technician...now which was it? All you can do is try to intimidate others, bluff and bluster to make yourself far more important than you were in real life. Not good, not healthy to do that, nursie. Hey, Lennie...YOU set the precedent, fella! That paragraph RIGHT THERE sums up your entire RRAP career. But, you can't control yourself, can you? [no emotional stability] Lack of control is very bad for emergency work. Memorable. And I'm not refering to Memorial Day. What's memorable is your lack of ability to follow your own mantra, Lennie. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/29/2004 12:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: MARS exists as a MILITARY radio service. It can continue to do so on its own, without civilian volunteers. Oh...Really? Lennie, how many MARSGRAMS have you ever delivered? How many phonepatches have you conducted for AFLOAT units? How many MARSGRAMS have you initiated? I ask because I had the opportunity to handle a LOT of MARSGRAMS over the years, and almost every one I sent wound up being delivered by a volunteer member. I know this since most of the ones I ever sent usually generated a reply message...And the initiating station was almost always an individual's station. Also, I had the opportunity to be on the AFLOAT end of the patches. Don't suppose you'd care to guess who handled the Stateside end of the patches, would you? The FCC doesn't define MARS, never has. MARS is MILITARY. I am still trying to figure out why you keep trying to reference the FCC when I've never said WHAT the FCC's "definition" is. Still waiting for you to substantiate THAT claim! It's not up to me to "verify" YOUR bragging. You made the "hostile action" claim. YOU reference it. Who's talking about "hostile action", Lennie...?!?! YOU said that I never served PERIOD. That was only a few days ago. Afterall I WAS able to "substantiate" some of YOUR claims about your "CV"...it didn't take much...Your windiness and brogaddacio led me to the doorstep of people I knew and who could verify your claims. It wasn't a pretty picture. All you do is demand others "call up the VA" or some other bogus source, never supplying any factual data or any names of associated parties who were also in those "hostile actions." The VA is a bogus source for verifying past military service...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! WHOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO! Memorial Day is coming up. Try to remember the where and when of those "hostile actions" and then state it in here. Otherwise, retract that brag of "hostile actions." Memorial Day is for REAL heroes, not the big-mouth bass jumping for attention in this little pond. I do remember who that day is for, Lennie. It's NOT for rear-area radio clerks who tried to embellish thier one-tour Army hitch on the sacrifices of men who died three years before you were even in Boot Camp. Specifically one Leonard H. Anderson. You are a putz, you are a liar, and you ARE a coward. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More hollering and swearing. Wipe off your monitor, the saliva is running down the faceplate. What will Mrs. Nursie think? Mrs Nursie would probably tolerate your charades even less than I. Steve, K4YZ |
On 28 May 2004 21:38:13 GMT, (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote:
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: snip The FACTS are that MARS needs those civilian operators to make the program work. For interest's sake, I did a bit of research on the Web, and found the following information on the home page for the US Military Alliliate Radio System: http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/default.htm ****** "MARS is a Department of Defense sponsored program, established as a separately managed and operated program by the Army, Navy, and Air Force. The program consists of licensed amateur radio operators who are interested in military communications on a local, national, and international basis as an adjunct to normal communications." "MARS has a long and proud history of providing world-wide auxiliary emergency communications during times of need. The combined three service MARS programs (Army, Air Force, and Navy-Marine Corps) volunteer force of over 5,000 dedicated and skilled amateur radio operators is the backbone of the MARS program. The benefit of MARS membership is enjoying an amateur radio hobby through the ever-expanding horizon of MARS. Our affiliate members' continued unselfish support of our mission keeps Army MARS Proud, Professional, and Ready." Note the phrase "The program consists of licensed Amateur Radio Operators" above. ****** "How to Join Army MARS Eligibility The applicant must - Be 17 years of age or older. (Signature of parent or legal guardian is required when an applicant is under 18 years of age.) Be a United States Citizen or resident alien. (Possess a valid amateur radio license issued by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) or other competent U.S. Authority.) Possess a station capable of operating on MARS VHF and/or HF frequencies. Agree to operate a minimum of 12 hours per calendar quarter with 6 hours being on VHF and or HF networks." Note again the requiremant for participants to be licensed US radio amateurs. ****** "Benefits of Membership Add to the enjoyment of your amateur radio hobby through the expanded horizon of MARS. Join a group of dedicated fellow radio amateurs participating in meaningful public service. Become part of the Army, Navy-Marine Corps, or Air Force MARS worldwide communications system. There are Army MARS stations in Japan, Korea, the Trust Territories, Hawaii, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Central America, Alaska, Germany, Africa, and the continental United States. Increase your communications skills and capabilities. Selected correspondence courses in communications - electronics subjects are available free to MARS members from their respective affiliated service after completion of six months active membership. Qualified Army MARS members may apply for such courses at the Army Correspondence Course Program web site. Operate on specially assigned military radio frequencies in voice, teletype, and packet modes of communications." Once again, note the references to the amateur radio hobby above. ****** From these paragraphs, and the remainder of valuable information on this web site, I'd conclude that the MARS program relies upon the Amateur community to make it work, as it is currently defined. Without amateur operators, the MARS program would have to affiliated with some other communications group to carry their traffic. This thread is, however, hopelessly mired in a battle over semantics. Is MARS amateur radio? Well, no, No more so than Amateur Radio is MARS. It is a military radio service, defined and mandated by the military and operating on military frequencies outside of the Amateur bands.. But, without amateur operators to affiliate their communications resources with, the MARS program would not be able to operate as currnetly defined - it exists as a partnership between the military operators and their 5,000-plus volunteer Amateur operator counterparts. Quite similar to the CFARS program in Canada, and perhaps others around the world. Just my $.02 snip Steve, K4YZ 73, Leo |
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: Leo Date: 5/29/2004 3:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: But, without amateur operators to affiliate their communications resources with, the MARS program would not be able to operate as currnetly defined - it exists as a partnership between the military operators and their 5,000-plus volunteer Amateur operator counterparts. Thanks, Leo...This is what I have been saying. Billy Booper wants to transleate it literally, and Lennie...Well, Lennie is Lennie and he STILL hasn't produced anything substantial of an Amateur Radio "career". 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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