In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC
required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

UNQUOTE

"...required physical rehab..."

Was that on your "DD-214" form along with "honorable discharge?"

So, you couldn't stay IN the murines on duty and still receive
this "rehab?"

Might could have. But I didn't.

Lots and lots of military personnel spend time IN rehab and
return to duty, continuing on with their military careers.

Sure they do. And many do not.

But you could NOT.

"Did" not...Not "could not".

That strikes a discordant note...very much like you fabricated
the whole "accident-rehab-honorable-discharge" thing.

Maybe because the MEDICAL discharge was NOT for some
kind of "accident" during duty.

For one thing, a DD-214 form is simply a release from active
duty. It is NOT a "discharge" paper.

There you go presuming to be qualified in military administrative
matters again, Lennie.

If "qualified" means being able to read DoD documents correctly,
then I am very much QUALIFIED. :-)

Now, do ya need it in any other language, or is your cranial-rectal
inversion quota filled for the day...?!?!

Try Yiddish, putz-man.

Yes, you are a putz, man...Thanks for reminding me.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, still with ethnic profanities.

You think that bluff and bombast is going to snow all us readers of
the newsgroup? If you do, you are seriously deluded.

"Snow" who?

Everyone. :-)

There one who's "seriously deluded" here Lennie is you.

Nursie is always right, everyone else is always wrong. :-)

You seem to think that we can't see through you.

You are Stuporman with X-ray vision! :-)

You try to hide behind
YOUR false bravado, even being bullying and profane, but we, especially
I, don't accept it.

Which one of your personalities is stating that? [for the record]

You are a liar. Documented and archived.

No. However, if you are going to argue that, then everyone else in
the world is LYING but you always tell the truth. :-)

You continue to be an antagonist with no defensible argument.

The DoD LIES but nursie is always right?

DoD defines MARS.

FCC does not define MARS.

Nursie say "MARS is amateur radio!"

Oh well....Sucks to be you.

Hoover sucks. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So far he's not been able to produce even ONE trophy photo from
Somalia.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his "seven hostile actions."

I had better things to do, Lennie.

Like trying to think up more LIES?

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his described duty with
the 3rd Marine Division.

I've never described any duty with 3rdMARDIV. I was never a part of
3rdMARDIV. Never said I was.

3rd Marine Division is based on Okinawa. You said you were there.

OK, so we've established you were never on Okinawa.

Please get things right if you're going to TRY and "embarrass" me,
Lennie.

You wouldn't admit to being caught LYING red-handed. :-)

FCC defines amateur radio.

FCC does not define MARS

DoD defines MARS

Nursie say "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie very confused.

Nursie couldn't find the appropriate Directive or service branch
Regulations of the Military Affliliate Radio System in order to back
up his assertion about "MARS is amateur radio."

No "directive" was needed.

Department of Defense says otherwise. :-)

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

OK, so you've redefined your original claim. [this one is wrong, too]

DoD does not define amateur radio.

FCC defines amateur radio.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

But, I'm not going to do so on command of some lying insulter
who can't offer ONE shred of "proof" he actually did some of the
lies he states.

I've already given you the "shred" you need, Lennie...

All shredded... :-)

Sufficient information to verify my service record with VA...

Veterans Administration does not define MARS.

Did it right here in THIS forum.

You've consistently tried to define MARS by saying "MARS is
amateur radio."

Now who's "lying", Scumbag?

You are.


It's not an insult if it's true. Let's see...California has Charlie
Manson, is home to the Crips and Bloods, has the largest (by far) percentage
of
drug abusers and is known as the worlds first drive-by shooting range. More
cities in CA have smog and other pollution control issues than almost
anywhere else in the United States, and typically has a tax burden on it's
citizens
that chokes any "lifestyle" benefits out of them.

The State of California does not define MARS.

So, one can assume you HATE California and all 30+ million citizens?

:-)


No, Lennie...I am just very adept at proving what a liar and idiot you've
become in your waning years.

Whatever. DoD lies about MARS. Only nursie defines MARS.

That you don't like having your dirty laundry aired so frequently is YOUR
fault for hanging it out there.

We have a nice General Electric dryer here. Works fine. Nothing is
hanging out when laundry is done.

BTW, General Electric doesn't define MARS either...

But, you ARE an Amateur Extra, the very model of what manual
telegraphy and too much RF exposure can produce.

If that's your best shot, Lennie, you've failed again.

You are no longer an extra? Poor baby. Sorry we feel for you (Yoda).

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

P-51's are great, but not my idea of a "fantasy flight".

REAL private pilots are acquainted with the term "P-51 time." That's
a nastyphrase of those private pilots who LIE in their log-books
by writing in more time than they really have...using a Parker 51
pen.

Well, in as much as I know what would happen to me if it was determined
that I had falsified my logbook, I've never made an entry that wasn't
preceeded by an actual flight or logable training with a CFI or CGI.

Riiiiiight...just like you did all that "SSB" in VHF and UHF ham
bands. :-)

And I've been a licensed pilot for thirty YEARS this August, and I have
NEVER heard the term "P-51 time" in any other term than that used by people
who actually logged time in a North American P-51.

You've never heard the term "P-51 time?!?" :-)

You should get around more...when not flying all those "missions"
for the CAP. :-)

Perhaps that's why you find it easy to BE a liar and find it equally hard
to understand why others don't accept your conduct.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Looking in the mirror again? :-)

Have you read the DoD Directive on MARS yet, ace?

Are you still claiming the DoD Directive says "MARS is amateur radio?"

If you do, YOU are LYING.

Try the USN-USMC Communications Instruction. Does it say "MARS
is amateur radio?"

If you do, YOU are LYING.


Uh huh. You're welcome to review the FAA data base.

FAA doesn't define MARS. FCC doesn't define MARS.

Nursie defines MARS.

Nursie is not right in the head.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

Please remind us about all the off-spring YOU have raised, Lennie?

You really don't want to go there, little man.

Sure, Lennie.

YOU have suggested that you know something about child growth and
development, and have suggested that there should be an age limit placed upon
Amatuer Radio licensure based upon the supposed lack of maturity and
responsibility of same.

You stubbornly insist on going into this non-subject. OK.

The DoD may have a directive on parenting somewhere (irrelevant to
this subject) but there is NO connection of parenting to MARS
activities or regulations.

You are attempting to misdirect the subject again. Stay focussed on
the subject instead of letting your ADD take over again. [it does so
often]

That would presume that either (1) you have a degree in a health care or
mental health discipline that would prepare you educationally to make such a
suggestion, or (2) you raised to maturity an offspring or several offspring
that allowed you to make an informed opinion.

You presume too much. While you may not be able to observe other
humans, most of us are able to do so.

Proper mental health includes the ability to understand directives and
regulations and not try to redefine them for the sake of making some
message points in a newsgroup. You failed in that regard and refuse
to acknowledge that. That's mental aberration by yourself.

There is no "degree" or "credential" required to be a parent. Human
reproduction is done by unskilled people. Raising children to maturity
is more akin to a trial-and-error process...where, if the original result
is defective, there is no real hope of success. [that's life, tough as it
is] Even with a good product, it takes sensitivity and observation and
considerable compassion to raise a child to "maturity."

The degree of "maturity" is at question in your case. For example,
you've been given the identification of DoD Directive plus Regulations
of the Army, Air Force, and Navy in regards to MARS existance and
activities. Still, you stubbornly insist "MARS is amateur radio." It is
not.

You have no degree in ANY healthcare discipline that I am aware of.

A "degree in any healthcare discipline" is NOT required to operate,
design, or manufacture a radio.

A "degree in any healthcare discipline" is NOT required to obtain
any sort of radio license, operator or station.

You refuse to acknowledge any parenting experience.

Parenting is not a requirement to operate, design, or build a
radio.

Parenting is not a requirement to obtain any sort of radio license,
operator or station.

Ergo you have ventured into yet another realm of human endeavor for which
you have no knowledge or experience from which to make said suggestion.

The subject is the Military Affiliate Radio System.

It is not parenting.

It should be obvious to you but you can't see it...

The subject is the Military Affiliate Radio System.

It is not parenting.

Look at the top of your AOL mail screen display. It should say
"Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio"."

Fairly obvious to me...and anyone else using AOL software, even
with other browsers.

In as much as all I can see at this moment is the screen upon which these
words appear, you'd be correct.

I have only to repeat the official documents of the DoD and the three
major U.S. military branches in regards to MARS. Nowhere do
these documents state that "MARS is amateur radio."

You MAY have seen those, but it is difficult to discern. You keep
saying contrary statements when not personally attacking people.

If you suggest that I draw some conclusion from your silence, well,
that's
already done.

I wasn't speaking - at any time - of producing damaged children.


What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

I did much the same late last year talking from a moored
sailboat in a California marina.

Both times and all times in between WITHOUT needing an
amateur radio license!

But, without passing a manual telegraphy test, it is NOT LEGAL
to do that on U.S. amateur bands below 30 MHz.

"...below 30 MHz." is NOT what you said in the first post.

Don't try to quibble on words, you only dribble on the keyboard.

Part 97 of Title 47 C.F.R. is one of the smallest Parts and can
be understood by anyone...anyone without preconceived or
imaginary ideas.

You insinuated that it was necessary to know Morse Code to use SSB.

U.S. amateur radio regulations state that all amateurs must
demonstrate manual telegraphy skill by test in order to receive a
grant having privileges below 30 MHz. That's straightforward and
applies to ANY allocated modulation type.

SSB is used all throughout the VHF and UHF ranges by Amateurs.

Regulations say "phone" or voice communications.

When was the last time you used SSB on the 4mm band?

Your exploits in 1954 are irrelevent, both to discusssions about Morse
Code examinations and the use of SSB by licensed Amateurs.

Using SSB is a simple matter of operating, by adjusting the proper
radio controls. That can be done by NON-amateurs. :-) Some
private boat owners do it all time...just like I did in late 2003 from
a marina-moored sailboat. :-)

Hasn't been for 13 years.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Get some mental help...

Lennie, YOU are the idiot that keeps jumping from trying to make some
analogy between your Army radio clerk days in the 1950's and the present day
Amateur Radio examination requirements, then jump to trying to tell me what
the MARS program is all about.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still on Fantasy Island?

I was NEVER an "Army radio clerk." My MOS was 281.6, Microwave
Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance Supervisor. That's what it
says on my DD-214. That's what I did...as well as being a Fixed
Station Radio Operations and Maintenance Supervisor plus a number
of other secondary (brevet) MOSs such as VHF radio relay and
carrier equipment.

I don't "jump to trying to tell you anything." [nobody can] Since you
FAILED to provide any references for your statements about MARS,
for three weeks time, I just did a simple Internet search and found the
appropriate documents and their identification and then posted that
here. I've downloaded all those documents for reference.

NONE of those downloaded documents says "MARS is amateur
radio."

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS frequencies are NOT in allocated amateur bands. MARS
callsigns are not legal to use as identification within amateur radio
bands and amateur radio callsigns are not legal to use as
identification outside of amateur radio bands.

MARS is not defined in the U.S. amateur radio regulations nor is it
regulated by the FCC.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Seems to me YOU are the one in need of help.

The world is wrong but nursie is right? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Putz.

You keep on with filthy profanities as a salutation. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You need another shot of penicillin. You are still discharging.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

Yep. And when I was released, I was given one.

Which was it, a DD-214 or an "honorable discharge?"

I'll get another one in September of this year.

When did you "re-enlist?"

One service period = one discharge. Not two.

Sorry, Lennie.

Things changed since you were in uniform. Not in YOUR mind, of course,
but the rest of the world moved on.

Nursie is still trying to bluff and bluster his way through an "argument."

:-)

DD-214s are still only a Release from Active Duty.

Military service discharges are a different form.

And September of 2004 will be 30 years since I first went on Active Duty.

That's when you are eligible for full retirement. Up until then you are in
the
"Fleet Marine Reserve"

I'm not in any Fleet Marine Reserve. Never was. :-)

Nobody really cares how long you were some kind of murine hero
in the service of your country (or other self-defined patriotic crapola).

You never engaged in any military radio communications while in
the murines. You don't know the systems, you don't know the
procedures, you can't identify familiar pieces of equipment which
all real military communications people would know.

You can have a discharge any time you want. Some folks call
that "physical abuse."

The last "discharge" I had was 25 years ago, and kinda looked like you
do now.

A shot of Penicillin took care of it, though.

Not quite. There is public evidence that your mind was affected.

All military activities are governed by directives and regulations.
MARS exists because a DoD Directive says it does. [not by the
FCC and not by the ARRL]

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

If you're gonna presume to demonstrate knowledge of administrative
proceeses of the Armed Forces, Lennie, ya need to spend some more time
learning about them. Then you can plagerize those sites too.

Apparently there's a gross lack of your understanding of military
procedure. For example, the Department of Defense (they are in
charge of ALL U.S. militaries) issued a Directive describing and
establishing MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Incorrect in the real world. The MILITARY AFFILIATE Radio System
is NOT amateur radio.

Bluster, bluff, and bombast will not dissuade anyone and it certainly
doesn't override any Department of Defense Directorate.

MARS is as MARS is directed and regulated. It is NOT amateur
radio.

Nursie, get some mental therapy. You need it.

Uh huh...right.

Agreement that you DO have a problem is an optimistic sign.

The next step is to act on that realization. Good luck on that.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: Robert Casey
Date: 5/25/2004 7:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."


Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

Lennie the Lame refuses to admit that Amateur licensees have had Morse
Code free access to the SSB mode for 13 years now.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still in the name-calling activity.

U.S. amateur radio regulations define the modulations and frequencies
which radio amateurs are allowed to operate.

U.S. amateur radio regulations do NOT define the Military Affiliate
Radio System.

Nursie is trying to misdirect the thread from the subject, MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free tech license.

He knows it, Robert.

There are NO "SSB subbands" on 6 and 2 meter bands.

Regulations state "phone" which is voice communications.

He's just an antagonist. He has absolutely nothing left to offer, so
being argumenitive and idiotic are his methods of expression.

No "antagonism," just an attempt to get stubborn mules to move
off of their Fantasy Island imaginations.

Sure MARS is not ham radio, but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Yes, they are. And without the contibutions of those licensed Amateur
Radio operators, there'd be no MARS program today...At least not in it's
present form.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, trying to equate a justification by a conditional.

Bad form, OM. Poor rationalization.

Throughout its existance, MARS has NOT normally "carried military
traffic." That is done by regular military communications systems
which are not recreational activities.

What is left of MARS is now realigned to be an additional radio
system for liason with real emergency agencies such as FEMA.
With the spread of the Internet (plus VoIP), service members can
now communicate with "home" directly...and do, even from field
locations in the Middle East.

What MARS did in the past was a very valuable service for the
morale of distant service members such as in Vietnam of 39 to
34 years ago. That is acknowledged and appreciated...but it WAS,
and is not a present-day large activity.

Without the Department of Defense Directive, there would be NO
MARS. Not in ANY "present day form."

LHA / WMD

Robert Casey wrote in message ...





Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

And some wear firefighter outfits.

And dog catchers and street sweepers and sewer workers.

Doesn't make them MARS ops, does it?


But they are not hams using ham radio licenses and ham radio frequencies.


And MARS ops use MARS frequencies.

Cell phone users are not using ham radio either.

Cell phone users could be Hams, Police, Firefighters, Dog Catchers,
Street Sweepers, Sewer Workers, MARS Ops, Moms, Dads, kids, War
Planners, and Senators.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."