RadioBanter - Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/14/2004 7:38 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Seems really difficult for you to back up your, " Sorry Han's, MARS
IS Amateur Radio". ," nonsense statement with anything
substantive from either Part 97 or any DoD Regulation.

What's needed, Brain?

A citation from an applicable regulation.

Brain, do you need to have a piece of paper in hand that says "If
you are abruptly slapped with the open hand across the face, it will
be markendly and acutely painful" in order to know that it's true?

Please, not another threat to injure me.

The gunnery nurse seems always to threaten people who disagree
with him. That's a LOT of threats. :-)

Perhaps not a direct threat, but the implications are violent - and
that's enough to be concerned.

The Military Affiliate Radio System is authorized by Department
of Defense Directive 4650.2, 26 Jan 98. Individual service
branches have specific regulations. For the Army it is Army
Regulation AR 25-6 as revised 29 Oct 98. For the USAF it is
AFI 33-106. For the USN-USMC is is MARS Communications
Instructions NTP 8(C), March 1998.

Now that you've done half of Steve's homework, he should have a
citation for us by the end of the week.

The United States Army is the birthplace of MARS, first
organized at the AARS or Army Amateur Radio System in 1925.
The purpose was to increase skills within the Army by using
amateur knowledge to improve Army communications. It was
not a terribly popular thing either in or out of the Army.
The AARS stopped at the start of the USA involvement with
WW2 and cessation of amateur operations. It resumed in 1946.
In 1948 the AARS was renamed with the organization of the
USAF as a part of the new MARS, dropping the "amateur" in
favor of the word "affiliate."

The Air Force was always forward tinking.

By 1948 military radio was
rather far from amateur practice and techniques. In 1962
the USN and USMC were made a part of MARS.

Hopefully they passed they entry exams rather than just being
appointed.

The intent of MARS was basically a morale booster for all
military personnel assigned far from USA territory. The
role has changed (by directive and regulations) to become
a liason between the military and civilian emergency
organizations, principally FEMA. MARS also has ties with
SHARES, the group of government HF radio users throughout
the USA and foreign US locations.

They don't use CW anymore, either. They've gone digital.

For morale purposes
the military has direct Internet connections through the
various DSN (Digital Switched Network) portals on land
and afloat.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS

" Sorry Han's, MARS IS Amateur Radio". ," is simply
untrue.

No, it's not.

That you are inadequately knowledgeable of MARS programs and
policies to know otherwise is also true.

Now you lie.

The gunnery nurse has distinct definitions of "lie" different
from other people. Those who disagree with him are "always
lying."

Dismissed.

Never by a punk like you, Mr. Burke. You haven't got it in you.

Steve, K4YZ

Always calling people names. There's something wrong with you.

Well...You're a punk. I see no reason to pull my punches. YOU
insist on
calling me "nuts"...been doing it for several months, yet you have no
degree or
training with which to validate such a proclamation. Your only "proof"
is that
I constantly dog you about stupid assertions and claims YOU make.

That's another reason why I think you're nuts. You are the one who
made a stupid assertion (Sorry Han's, MARS IS Amateur Radio").
I'm the one dogging you.

It's not stupid. Perhaps poorly worded, at least to a person such
as yourself who cannot understand the interdependence of the two.

Poorly worded? Naw, Wrongly Worded!

It's just wrong.

The gunnery nurse will never concede any mistake he made.
He has his own definitions and commands all to obey those
unique definitions.

For example, name-calling is part of his tough-guy credo.
His personal "directive" allows that as part of his
"civility." It isn't in the normal definitions that all
others use.

And you're still a punk.

Not really.

The gunnery nurse "permits" that form of "civility" by
his own "directive." Name-calling is SOP.

So, please substantiate your silly, stupid statement with a citation
from an applicable regulation.

Still need that peice of paper to know a slap in the facr hurts,
Brain?

Nope. I need a cite from any applicable regulation to convince me
that your statement is true. Got one?

The gunnery nurse has had, what, three weeks, to cite one
and has not. A simple Internet search will turn up the
official documents from the DoD and all three service
branches. He is continuing a game of bluffing in trying
to intimidate others to concede to him.

It isn't happening, is it? So the name calling escalates. Then
violent acts are mentioned. I've counted two so far.

MARS has never been an important part of military
communications, never a part of either tactical or
strategic planning. At best it is an extension of
Special Services (in the Army old term) for entertainment
and morale boosting of service personnel.

But it is important to have a back-up for certain communications. The
"Base Support Team" concept is fairly well thought through.

However, the
affiliation with the military has terribly important
self-image boost points for individual amateurs who want
to enoble themselves into thinking they are "part of the
grand scheme to 'serve their country'."

Until they discover that they can wear an actual uniform with "RANK"
on it via the Air Force's CAP program.

That "Lennie is my hero" line REALLY put you out front!

Yep, he pulls out all the stops when he rubs your nose in your silly,
stupid statments. I don't. I try to remain civil. Apparently, you
don't respect civility.

Sure I do.

No, you don't.

Gunnery nurse is a VERY sore loser. He can't abide by any
disagreements to his statements or opinions. Ergo, all who
disagree with him are "liars" and worthy of all kinds of
name-calling.

It must be the extension of the old USMC mythology where
NCOs are all gods who MUST be obeyed and never, ever
questioned. No "civility" is allowed within ranks.

And all officers are "Commanders."

The problem of this ex-USMC member is that neither amateur
radio nor the Internet is any part of the USMC.

Nor is Steve part of the FCC, the United Nations, nor the Somalian
government (if it exists yet), to be demanding documents.

And right up to the part where you started in on your usual
crapola in THIS thread, I had made it a point of very carefully typing
B r i a n.

That was very sweet of you, but doesn't change just how wrong your
MARS=ARS claim was.

Gunnery nurse cannot concede anything.

MARS exists because of the Department of Defense Directive
that says it does.

And it says it does.

A close inspection of USN-USMC NTP 8(C) will reveal that
USN and USMC MARS operators do NOT need to possess amateur
radio licenses in order to operate MARS radio equipment.
In both USA and USAF regulations, MARS operations are done
by Army or Air Force personnel who are not required to have
amateur radio licenses.

Steve estimated that it was no more than 1%, 2%, 10%, or 20% of the
total MARS personnel, depending on which day he said it.

VOLUNTEER civilians are welcomed by all three branches but
only the USA and USAF require volunteers to possess amateur
licenses. USN-USMC does not.

Oh, My!!!

And wasn't Steve in the U.S. Marine Corps? Shouldn't he have already
known that? What he do with all that service time? Play
tiddly-winks?

As for Lennie...the only "stops" he usually winds up pulling out
are the ones holding him and the rest of his fecally contaminated
verbal effluent back.

Geee, it just doesn't look that way from my perspective.

:-)

Gunnery nurse has his own fantasy land perspective on
society and definitions and civil behavior. He hasn't
been able to adjust to civilian life after being rejected
by the USMC.

Ditto the adjustment, but I'm not sure about the rejected part. When
did he leave the service? There was a big RIF starting in 92. The AF
was down to half-strength by the end of 96.

That he does it to himself (and now takes you along with him) is
evident. That he was once a person of accomplishment and
responsibility now fallen on his lack of character and honesty is
pitiful.

Odd, but I haven't seen much of Len lately. How nice of him to be
taking me along with him.

I've been gone, doing more important things in life. :-)

Well thanks for taking me along.

That you voluntarilly get in step behind him is laughable at best.

Its called, "The High Road."

I'd call it "independent thought."

Some in amateur radio do NOT permit independent thought
and become outraged with anyone disagreeing with their
noble, righteous bigoted thoughts of amateurism.

Independent thought does seem to be lacking in some circles.

Hey, have you read about the hams that are going to try to send an
amateur rocket into space?

Maybe if they donate a bunch of money to Kerry, they will receive a
personal visit from the Loral techs and get the thing off the ground.

So...we're even.

Maybe before God, or before the Law. But in very, very few other
ways.

You're right, but not for the reason I am sure YOU think...

SO FAR we are still waiting for you to back up your assertions
that "unlicensed radio services" play a "major role" in disaster
communications.

So? I hope you won't mind if I keep you waiting?

Gunnery nurse cannot concede anything on a subject. What
he stated is divine law and none may go against that.

Papers! I demand to see your papers!

We're also waiting for you to back up your Somalia claims. You
continue to argue that "It's true because I say it's true", yet there
should be a paper trail wide enough to roller skate on to show where
your assertions are true.

But I never needed your blessing. You'll just have to roller skate
elsewhere.

Actually, there's been NO third-party proof that gunnery
nurse was ever in the USMC. All we have to go on is his
"word" and his "I've got the proof in my wallet" sort of
statements. :-)

We have yet to see a "paper trail wide enough to roller skate
on to show where [gunnery nurse'] assertions are true."

No problem. Gunnery nurse, when confronted with the truth
and evidence, will, like the fictional Col. Jessup, will
simply state someone is a "liar" and then call them all sorts
of nasty names to show how "wrong" they are. :-)

Like the "US Cavalry" t-shirt; deny, deny, deny and make
counter-accusations.

Was Steve in INTEL?

No one except everyone who knows enough about the current affairs
of the various MARS programs and thier dependence upon the Amateur
Radio service to make it work and sustain it.

If its so obvious to "everyone," then anyone should be able to post
the citation.

But they aren't.

The "citations" gunnery nurse claims are constructs within
his own little minds. MARS exists because of a DoD Directive
and that should be that. Of course, it isn't that, but that
doesn't stop the gunnery nurse from his virulent outrage.

Gunnery nurse felt "wronged" by statements of disagreement.
Such seems to be a cause for verbal warfare.

" Sorry Han's, MARS IS Amateur Radio". "

Maybe Steve could get Riley and/or Haney to verify his statement.

Best of Luck.

None needed...You make it too easy...Again.

Easy? I see no citation.

Best of Luck.

I've given the appropriate directive and regulations. Anyone
can find them on the Internet. Gunnery nurse doesn't know
them, therefore "they don't exist." :-)

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