In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

Yep. And when I was released, I was given one.

Which was it, a DD-214 or an "honorable discharge?"

I'll get another one in September of this year.

When did you "re-enlist?"

One service period = one discharge. Not two.

You can have a discharge any time you want. Some folks call
that "physical abuse."

If you're gonna presume to demonstrate knowledge of administrative
proceeses of the Armed Forces, Lennie, ya need to spend some more time
learning about them. Then you can plagerize those sites too.

Apparently there's a gross lack of your understanding of military
procedure. For example, the Department of Defense (they are in
charge of ALL U.S. militaries) issued a Directive describing and
establishing MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Nursie, get some mental therapy. You need it.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

Please remind us about all the off-spring YOU ahve raised, Lennie?

You really don't want to go there, little man.

It should be obvious to you but you can't see it...

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

I did much the same late last year talking from a moored
sailboat in a California marina.

Both times and all times in between WITHOUT needing an
amateur radio license!

But, without passing a manual telegraphy test, it is NOT LEGAL
to do that on U.S. amateur bands below 30 MHz.

Hasn't been for 13 years.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Get some mental help...

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 5:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
gle.com...

I'll try again:
How many pieces of MARS traffic did you handle?

What's it to you?

Hey Brian (W3RV)...I think Brain answered your question right there...

Just like he answered the questions about his alleged "T5" operation...

"I didn't REALLY go to Somalia, but I did spend the night at a Holiday
Inn
Express....."

Brian Burke was THERE. Nursie wasn't there. Kellie Katapult wasn't
there.

Brain Burke CLAIMS to have been there.

So far he's not been able to produce even ONE trophy photo from Somalia.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his "seven hostile actions."

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his described duty with
the 3rd Marine Division.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his so-called murine life
that was supposed to be a close to 20 years.

Nursie couldn't find the appropriate Directive or service branch
Regulations of the Military Affliliate Radio System in order to back
up his assertion about "MARS is amateur radio."

I don't know a single Ham Radio operator who, having ahd a chance to
allegedly operate from an exotic location, can't produce at least ONE photo,
QSL card, or some other "proof" of having been there.

Yah, yah, yah...big old nursie "I've got it in my wallet" "proof" of doing
what he LIES about sure has at least ONE photo, don' he?

Where did all those "hostile actions" you were in take place?

Were they all plot-lines on "JAG?"

I have my doubts as to wether he ever left the confines of a protected US
facility in Europe, let alone deployed from CONUS.

You say everyone else "LIES" (because you do?).

WHERE did all your "hostile actions" take place?

Kellie wasn't even IN any military.

Doesn't matter.

Ho ho ho, YES IT DOES.

Don't forget Kellie claimed to "do work for USN intelligence!" :-)

Another truth-stretcher.

W3RV asked a question. Brain retorted with a smart alec answer that has
once again left him in the position of looking like a liar with insinuations
of
"knowing" something, yet not being able to document it or have experience to
back it up.

Ho, ho, ho! MORE truth-stretching.

WHERE did nursies "hostile actions" take place?

Where are all those photos of the 3rd Marine Division duty?

Where is your scanned copy of your DD-214 with its infamous
"honoroble discharge" on it?

Kinda like you.

I have no less than 600 photos of my three years at ADA, trimmed
down to a 20-page narrative with lots of color photographs, 6 MB
in PDF form (readable on any PC or MAC). A couple of the black
and white photos are Signal Corps origin (and have the proper
credits).

Ed Hare and a few others got paper copies of the old 30-page
version via surface mail.

Anyone else "need" an electronic copy and they are able to handle
a 6 MB file, they are welcome to one as an e-mail attachment.

If worst comes to worst, I can always retrieve my DD-214, scan it
and upload it as an e-mail attachment as proof. I can even scan
my REAL honorable discharge paper, forwarded the same way.
That even goes as far as scanning the backs of the Signal Corps
photos to show the legends mimeographed there.

But, I'm not going to do so on command of some lying insulter
who can't offer ONE shred of "proof" he actually did some of the
lies he states.


Those who live constantly in Fantasyland cannot be rational.

You're right...and you DO have a California address, so I guess you CAN'T
be "rational".

You really ARE an UGLY little person...mentally hateful and
frustrated...resorting to insulting the entirety of the most populous
state of the Union.

You are mentally SICK. No "training" or "credentials" needed to
show that.

But, you ARE an Amateur Extra, the very model of what manual
telegraphy and too much RF exposure can produce.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(gunnery nurse of the gurney blabbers while off his meds) writes:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the
collected NG Mistruths of Leonard H Anderson.

I was never in any National Guards unit ("NG"). Four years in Reserves.

What is nursie here for?

Easy rhetorical answer: Nursie is here to talk nasty to folks in order
to relieve his everyday stresses and make hisself real big in his own
eyes for being so "brave."

MARS is NOT amateur radio. It is based on a Department of
Defense Directive, not by the FCC or ARRL.

MARS, without Amateur Radio, would be defunct.

Without the MILITARY authority, MARS ceases to exist.

It's as simple as that.

Without the civilian, Amateur Radio licensed participants, it would not
be
able to function, civil, military or otherwise.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

A Department of Defense Directive ESTABLISHED the MILITARY
AFFILIATE Radio System. Three separate military branch
Regulations further define those branch-specific MILITARY
activities.

It really is THAT simple.

MARS is MILITARY and it is NOT "amateur."

You are unable to understand military service regulations. No
wonder you are no longer in any military.

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

P-51's are great, but not my idea of a "fantasy flight".

REAL private pilots are acquainted with the term "P-51 time." That's
a nastyphrase of those private pilots who LIE in their log-books
by writing in more time than they really have...using a Parker 51
pen.

If you were a REAL private pilot you would know such things.

Get some medical help for your psychosis.

"Medical" help for a mental health diagnosis would be inappropriate.

You are acting nuts. No "training" needed to prove that.

However since you are neither trained or educated in medical OR mental
health issues, you wouldn't know that.

You are acting nuts. No "training" needed to prove that.

Once again, lack of knowledge AND experience have betrayed you.

You are acting nuts. No "training" needed to prove that.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

Those "disabilities" came from service connected injuries. Doing
their
"work".

Steve, K4YZ

Yeh, yeh. You claim to work in an ER where lifting of patients and
various other intense stressors are at work. Why wouldn't you be fit
for duty in the USMC?

OK, PuppetBoy...let's go back up a couple lines and see if you can figure
out why you are such an idiot...

QUOTE:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

UNQUOTE

"...required physical rehab..."

Was that on your "DD-214" form along with "honorable discharge?"

So, you couldn't stay IN the murines on duty and still receive
this "rehab?"

Lots and lots of military personnel spend time IN rehab and
return to duty, continuing on with their military careers.

But you could NOT.

That strikes a discordant note...very much like you fabricated
the whole "accident-rehab-honorable-discharge" thing.

Maybe because the MEDICAL discharge was NOT for some
kind of "accident" during duty.

For one thing, a DD-214 form is simply a release from active
duty. It is NOT a "discharge" paper.

For another, you've not yet described this "accident" in detail
sufficient to prove you aren't defrauding the government of anything
or, for that matter, the newsgroup readers.

Now, do ya need it in any other language, or is your cranial-rectal
inversion quota filled for the day...?!?!

Try Yiddish, putz-man.

You think that bluff and bombast is going to snow all us readers of
the newsgroup? If you do, you are seriously deluded.

It's easy to put a few things in order and arrive at the conclusion
that you've been LYING to us newsgroup readers.

"I'm laughing at the superior intellect..."

Those who have no intellect at all are easily amused.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
. com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
. com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...without the DoD Directive there would be NO
MARS!

The DoD directive ENABLES MARS.

Wow! No wonder you got put out.

Directives "enable" something or some action.

Unable to adapt to military service and unable to adapt to civilian
life.

Where does that leave you?

With a DD214 that provides a nice income and the words "Honorable"
on it.

The DoD directives do indeed "enable" the MARS program. Do you
disagree? Perhaps it was a DoS directive? DoJ...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

What amazes me are the number of military retirees with a disability
check and still capable of pulling in a full-time income from - work.

From "work" that is NOT the same as what I was required to do in the
US
Marine Corps.

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

Those "disabilities" came from service connected injuries. Doing
their
"work".

Steve, K4YZ

Yeh, yeh. You claim to work in an ER where lifting of patients and
various other intense stressors are at work. Why wouldn't you be fit
for duty in the USMC?

Brian, don't forget the private piloting (as a CAP air ace), hang-
gliding, and rollerblading, plus claims of hoisting a big field
pack in some kind of civilian "forced march." :-)

His "rehab" didn't extend to his mind, judging by his ugly little
behavior in here...or maybe it is post-traumatic stress syndrome
from those "seven hostile actions."

Who knows? The real story has yet to be revealed.

Meanwhile nursie flashes around that DD-214 "discharge paper"
like he wuz a hero...(sandwich)...

LHA / WMD

On 25 May 2004 23:20:12 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

snip


Where did all those "hostile actions" you were in take place?

Um, a large number of them seem to happen here!

(sorry, couldn't resist) :)

snip

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD


73, Leo

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."


Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.



I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.





You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free
tech license.


The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.



Sure MARS is not ham radio, but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...
William wrote:
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
. com...

JJ wrote in message
...

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:



Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

We'll never know, JJ...Lennie the Lame is the first and only
person I know of to claim that he could participate in MARS without
being a licensed Amateur.


And Steve "I got a Uniform and Rank in the USAF Civil Air Patrol"
Gunnery Nurse K4YZ/K4CAP Robeson is the only person in recorded (as
in Google) human history to decla

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

It's just too ridiculous to ignore.

But the PCTA ignore it ("TAFKARJ has no opinion").


We're just sitting back and letting you two have your back alley brawl!

8^) T'aint a good idea to get involved in it....

- Mike KB3EIA -

I think something as absurd as what Steve is trying to defend is worth
rubbing his nose in it again and again.

Do you agree with "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio" ?

Someone's "medical rehabilitation" wasn't finished.

"M" in MARS = MILITARY

"A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

Yon leatherneck (and rest of body) is unable to differentiate between
Amateur Radio and Military Affiliate Radio System.

Maybe medical science wasn't up to the task of finishing the
"rehabilitation" program?

Mike is unable to compete in this arena. [ice is too cold for him]

TAFKARJ is busy with 160 years ago and the first COMMERCIAL
use of manual telegraphy done by PROFESSIONALS. :-)

Herr Robust has gone out to buy more poison with which to flavor
his "replies." [or maybe his pen dissolved in the acid]

Katapult Kellie is scrounging up a camera to snap more bears for
Navy intelligence.

Hans has been hitting the gym so that he could "throw out with
great force." [or throw up, unknown...]

Wince Ficus bloomed early with a teeny, tiny nastygram.

Gunnery nurse can't think for all the noise of singing "Halls of
Montezuma" and other little gems of murine brainwashing while
confusing the Amateur's Code with code of civil, civilian conduct.

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB." :-)

LHA / WMD

When asked if "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio," was true,
TAFKARJ had no opinion!!!

Hi hi hi!

The PCTA has all but fallen apart. They are impotent.

Maybe we can take up a collection to have Mark Martin deliver
some "Hamagra" to the PCTA after NASCAR racing season
is over. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


"Medical" help for a mental health diagnosis would be inappropriate.


So what does the VA have you on?

Fantasy Island.

"Mr. Roarke" left the show and Tatoo is gone. Someone has to mind
the property...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

MARS is NOT "amateur radio."

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

Whatta Whacko! I'll bet the VA loves seeing him roll up to the pharmacy.

Probably in a pickup truck to haul all the meds away. [needs the
cargo-carrying space]

Probably free, too. After all, anyone who got an "honorable discharge"
on his DD-214 deserves it...or some paper cleaner to take up the
mess.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

What "others," nursie?

Did all of your split personalities get together and hold a group
protest?

They could hold their very own CW net if they all knew Morse Code.

I wonder which one would send "QFU" first?

...I'd say ALL of them at once, each personality demanding to be
heard. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.


You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free tech license.

Take a look at the tables in Part 97. You will see that ALL bands
from 50.1 upward (except for 144.0 to 144.1 MHz) are marked
"MCW, phone, image, RTTY, data." (page 640 of Volume 5, the
table above 97.307, 1 Oct 03 edition of Title 47 C.F.R.)

Thank you for the illuminating offer of explanation but the regulations
are easy enough to read. I'm not the one needing the explanation.

By the way, there's no indication of "SSB subbands" in the real
official regulations from the government. "Phone" is phone, meaning
the same as voice.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Sure MARS is not ham radio, but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

According to one Amateur Extra, "MARS is ham radio."

According to the Department of Defense, the U.S. Army, the U.S.
Air Force, and the U.S. Navy, it is the MILITARY AFFILIATE
Radio System. I gave the necessary document identification in
here.

Once MARS got the AN/FRC-93 transceiver after 1965, MARS
operators in Vietnam were making phone patches to the States
at a rate of 40,000-plus per month. [that's four decades back in
time] [source: Copy of "Communications-Electronics, Vietnam,
1964-1970," viewable/downloadable at the U.S. Army Center for
Military History]

Can you identify the AN/FRC-93? You should be able to as it is
a familiar radio to most U.S. amateurs. Need a TM on it? That's
available for free download from LOGSA.

What's your point in your reply? I am familiar with several Parts
in Title 47 C.F.R. Not difficult with Part 97, the shortest one in
Volume 5 of the five published volumes (published biannually by
the U. S. Government Printing Office).

I'm not any role-model for U.S. amateur radio public relations.
That's the task of the Amateur Extra who keeps shouting that
"MARS is amateur radio!" If you want better PR for ham radio
then I'd suggest you have a long chat with that Amateur Extra.
I'd say he reflects badly on U.S. amateur radio which is your
avocation too.

LHA / WMD

Robert Casey wrote in message ...





What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."


Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.



I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.





You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free
tech license.


The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.



Sure MARS is not ham radio,

But Steve says, Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: Robert Casey
Date: 5/25/2004 7:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."


Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

Lennie the Lame refuses to admit that Amateur licensees have had Morse
Code free access to the SSB mode for 13 years now.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free
tech license.

He knows it, Robert.

He's just an antagonist. He has absolutely nothing left to offer, so
being argumenitive and idiotic are his methods of expression.

Sure MARS is not ham radio, but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Yes, they are. And without the contibutions of those licensed Amateur
Radio operators, there'd be no MARS program today...At least not in it's
present form.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

Yep. And when I was released, I was given one.

Which was it, a DD-214 or an "honorable discharge?"

I'll get another one in September of this year.

When did you "re-enlist?"

One service period = one discharge. Not two.

Sorry, Lennie.

Things changed since you were in uniform. Not in YOUR mind, of course,
but the rest of the world moved on.

And September of 2004 will be 30 years since I first went on Active Duty.
That's when you are eligible for full retirement. Up until then you are in the
"Fleet Marine Reserve"

You can have a discharge any time you want. Some folks call
that "physical abuse."

The last "discharge" I had was 25 years ago, and kinda looked like you do
now.

A shot of Penicillin took care of it, though.

If you're gonna presume to demonstrate knowledge of administrative
proceeses of the Armed Forces, Lennie, ya need to spend some more time
learning about them. Then you can plagerize those sites too.

Apparently there's a gross lack of your understanding of military
procedure. For example, the Department of Defense (they are in
charge of ALL U.S. militaries) issued a Directive describing and
establishing MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Nursie, get some mental therapy. You need it.

Uh huh...right.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

Please remind us about all the off-spring YOU have raised, Lennie?

You really don't want to go there, little man.

Sure, Lennie.

YOU have suggested that you know something about child growth and
development, and have suggested that there should be an age limit placed upon
Amatuer Radio licensure based upon the supposed lack of maturity and
responsibility of same.

That would presume that either (1) you have a degree in a health care or
mental health discipline that would prepare you educationally to make such a
suggestion, or (2) you raised to maturity an offspring or several offspring
that allowed you to make an informed opinion.

You have no degree in ANY healthcare discipline that I am aware of.

You refuse to acknowledge any parenting experience.

Ergo you have ventured into yet another realm of human endeavor for which
you have no knowledge or experience from which to make said suggestion.

It should be obvious to you but you can't see it...

In as much as all I can see at this moment is the screen upon which these
words appear, you'd be correct.

If you suggest that I draw some conclusion from your silence, well, that's
already done.

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

I did much the same late last year talking from a moored
sailboat in a California marina.

Both times and all times in between WITHOUT needing an
amateur radio license!

But, without passing a manual telegraphy test, it is NOT LEGAL
to do that on U.S. amateur bands below 30 MHz.

"...below 30 MHz." is NOT what you said in the first post.

You insinuated that it was necessary to know Morse Code to use SSB.

SSB is used all throughout the VHF and UHF ranges by Amateurs.

Your exploits in 1954 are irrelevent, both to discusssions about Morse
Code examinations and the use of SSB by licensed Amateurs.

Hasn't been for 13 years.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Get some mental help...

Lennie, YOU are the idiot that keeps jumping from trying to make some
analogy between your Army radio clerk days in the 1950's and the present day
Amateur Radio examination requirements, then jump to trying to tell me what the
MARS program is all about.

Seems to me YOU are the one in need of help.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/26/2004 7:20 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Robert Casey wrote in message
...

but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

I am sure in your weak, irratic PuppetBoy mind this was supposed to "mean"
something, but it got lost between your (dubiously labeled) brain and your
fingers.

What an idiot.

Robert asks you a question about Amateurs operating on military
frequencies for military purposes and YOU respond with some assinine statement
about "most municipal radio operators" wearing police uniforms.

That in ITSELF is completely foolish since police departments are only a
fractional part of most municipal payrolls. There's the Fire Department, EMS,
Department of Sanitation, the utilities departments, roads and highways,
etc...all of whom hav SOME sort of radio service that they use.

Remember, Brain, YOU are the one who set the "precedent" that if there is
even ONE example to the contrary, you have been proven WRONG.

Now...HOW did you go from discussing operating on military frequencies to
"municipal radio operators"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

P-51's are great, but not my idea of a "fantasy flight".

REAL private pilots are acquainted with the term "P-51 time." That's
a nastyphrase of those private pilots who LIE in their log-books
by writing in more time than they really have...using a Parker 51
pen.

Well, in as much as I know what would happen to me if it was determined
that I had falsified my logbook, I've never made an entry that wasn't preceeded
by an actual flight or logable training with a CFI or CGI.

And I've been a licensed pilot for thirty YEARS this August, and I have
NEVER heard the term "P-51 time" in any other term than that used by people who
actually logged time in a North American P-51.

Guess that's the difference between us, Lennie...You hang out with liars
and cheats.

I don't.

Perhaps that's why you find it easy to BE a liar and find it equally hard
to understand why others don't accept your conduct.

If you were a REAL private pilot you would know such things.

Uh huh. You're welcome to review the FAA data base.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So far he's not been able to produce even ONE trophy photo from Somalia.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his "seven hostile actions."

I had better things to do, Lennie.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his described duty with
the 3rd Marine Division.

I've never described any duty with 3rdMARDIV. I was never a part of
3rdMARDIV. Never said I was.

Please get things right if you're going to TRY and "embarrass" me, Lennie.

Nursie couldn't find the appropriate Directive or service branch
Regulations of the Military Affliliate Radio System in order to back
up his assertion about "MARS is amateur radio."

No "directive" was needed.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

But, I'm not going to do so on command of some lying insulter
who can't offer ONE shred of "proof" he actually did some of the
lies he states.

I've already given you the "shred" you need, Lennie...

Sufficient information to verify my service record with VA...

Did it right here in THIS forum.

Now who's "lying", Scumbag?

Those who live constantly in Fantasyland cannot be rational.

You're right...and you DO have a California address, so I guess you
CAN'T
be "rational".

You really ARE an UGLY little person...mentally hateful and
frustrated...resorting to insulting the entirety of the most populous
state of the Union.

It's not an insult if it's true. Let's see...California has Charlie
Manson, is home to the Crips and Bloods, has the largest (by far) percentage of
drug abusers and is known as the worlds first drive-by shooting range. More
cities in CA have smog and other pollution control issues than almost anywhere
else in the United States, and typically has a tax burden on it's citizens that
chokes any "lifestyle" benefits out of them.

And then there's you. California has you.

You are mentally SICK. No "training" or "credentials" needed to
show that.

No, Lennie...I am just very adept at proving what a liar and idiot you've
become in your waning years.

That you don't like having your dirty laundry aired so frequently is YOUR
fault for hanging it out there.

But, you ARE an Amateur Extra, the very model of what manual
telegraphy and too much RF exposure can produce.

If that's your best shot, Lennie, you've failed again.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC
required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

UNQUOTE

"...required physical rehab..."

Was that on your "DD-214" form along with "honorable discharge?"

So, you couldn't stay IN the murines on duty and still receive
this "rehab?"

Might could have. But I didn't.

Lots and lots of military personnel spend time IN rehab and
return to duty, continuing on with their military careers.

Sure they do. And many do not.

But you could NOT.

"Did" not...Not "could not".

That strikes a discordant note...very much like you fabricated
the whole "accident-rehab-honorable-discharge" thing.

Maybe because the MEDICAL discharge was NOT for some
kind of "accident" during duty.

For one thing, a DD-214 form is simply a release from active
duty. It is NOT a "discharge" paper.

There you go presuming to be qualified in military administrative matters
again, Lennie.

Now, do ya need it in any other language, or is your cranial-rectal
inversion quota filled for the day...?!?!

Try Yiddish, putz-man.

Yes, you are a putz, man...Thanks for reminding me.

You think that bluff and bombast is going to snow all us readers of
the newsgroup? If you do, you are seriously deluded.

"Snow" who?

There one who's "seriously deluded" here Lennie is you.

You seem to think that we can't see through you. You try to hide behind
YOUR false bravado, even being bullying and profane, but we, especially I,
don't accept it.

You are a liar. Documented and archived.

You continue to be an antagonist with no defensible argument.

Oh well....Sucks to be you.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

By the way, there's no indication of "SSB subbands" in the real
official regulations from the government. "Phone" is phone, meaning
the same as voice.

Ooooops.

Another example of no practical experience in Amateur Radio.

The FCC has VERY clearly stated that "gentleman's agreements" and
compliance with them IS "good Amateur practice". Persons who have violated
these band plans have been censured and fined by the FCC even though the "sub
bands" they may ahve violated were not exactly specified by the FCC.

Please refer to just about any current day training text and you will see
that there ARE areas set aside for SSB communications in the VHF and above
spectrum.

That you don't considerthem "valid" since they are not specifically
delineated in Part 97 is irrelevent. Those 670,000+ licensed Amateurs DO
consider them valid.

Back to sleep, Your Putziness.

Steve, K4YZ

Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

And some wear firefighter outfits.




But they are not hams using ham radio licenses and ham radio frequencies.

Cell phone users are not using ham radio either.

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

By the way, there's no indication of "SSB subbands" in the real
official regulations from the government. "Phone" is phone, meaning
the same as voice.

Ooooops.

Another example of no practical experience in Amateur Radio.

The FCC has VERY clearly stated that "gentleman's agreements" and
compliance with them IS "good Amateur practice". Persons who have violated
these band plans have been censured and fined by the FCC even though the "sub
bands" they may ahve violated were not exactly specified by the FCC.

Look in volume 5 of the 1 October 2003 edition of Title 47 C.F.R. on
page 640, the table accompanying 97.307.

Does it state "gentlemen's agreements" there? No, it says "Emission
Types Authorized." Look at the 19 bands above 30 MHz. Does "SSB"
appear anywhere? No? :-)

Gosh, I guess nursie always right but FCC wrong!

How about that? :-)

Please refer to just about any current day training text and you will see
that there ARE areas set aside for SSB communications in the VHF and above
spectrum.

Okay, we'll just put you down in saying "current day training texts"
authorize amateur radio and the FCC does not.

So, does MARS exist because of "current day training texts?"

That you don't considerthem "valid" since they are not specifically
delineated in Part 97 is irrelevent. Those 670,000+ licensed Amateurs DO
consider them valid.

You did a poll of everyone?

[you missed about 50K or so licensed radio amateurs...]

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

DoD defines MARS.

FCC does not define MARS.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC
required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

UNQUOTE

"...required physical rehab..."

Was that on your "DD-214" form along with "honorable discharge?"

So, you couldn't stay IN the murines on duty and still receive
this "rehab?"

Might could have. But I didn't.

Lots and lots of military personnel spend time IN rehab and
return to duty, continuing on with their military careers.

Sure they do. And many do not.

But you could NOT.

"Did" not...Not "could not".

That strikes a discordant note...very much like you fabricated
the whole "accident-rehab-honorable-discharge" thing.

Maybe because the MEDICAL discharge was NOT for some
kind of "accident" during duty.

For one thing, a DD-214 form is simply a release from active
duty. It is NOT a "discharge" paper.

There you go presuming to be qualified in military administrative
matters again, Lennie.

If "qualified" means being able to read DoD documents correctly,
then I am very much QUALIFIED. :-)

Now, do ya need it in any other language, or is your cranial-rectal
inversion quota filled for the day...?!?!

Try Yiddish, putz-man.

Yes, you are a putz, man...Thanks for reminding me.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, still with ethnic profanities.

You think that bluff and bombast is going to snow all us readers of
the newsgroup? If you do, you are seriously deluded.

"Snow" who?

Everyone. :-)

There one who's "seriously deluded" here Lennie is you.

Nursie is always right, everyone else is always wrong. :-)

You seem to think that we can't see through you.

You are Stuporman with X-ray vision! :-)

You try to hide behind
YOUR false bravado, even being bullying and profane, but we, especially
I, don't accept it.

Which one of your personalities is stating that? [for the record]

You are a liar. Documented and archived.

No. However, if you are going to argue that, then everyone else in
the world is LYING but you always tell the truth. :-)

You continue to be an antagonist with no defensible argument.

The DoD LIES but nursie is always right?

DoD defines MARS.

FCC does not define MARS.

Nursie say "MARS is amateur radio!"

Oh well....Sucks to be you.

Hoover sucks. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So far he's not been able to produce even ONE trophy photo from
Somalia.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his "seven hostile actions."

I had better things to do, Lennie.

Like trying to think up more LIES?

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his described duty with
the 3rd Marine Division.

I've never described any duty with 3rdMARDIV. I was never a part of
3rdMARDIV. Never said I was.

3rd Marine Division is based on Okinawa. You said you were there.

OK, so we've established you were never on Okinawa.

Please get things right if you're going to TRY and "embarrass" me,
Lennie.

You wouldn't admit to being caught LYING red-handed. :-)

FCC defines amateur radio.

FCC does not define MARS

DoD defines MARS

Nursie say "MARS is amateur radio."

Nursie very confused.

Nursie couldn't find the appropriate Directive or service branch
Regulations of the Military Affliliate Radio System in order to back
up his assertion about "MARS is amateur radio."

No "directive" was needed.

Department of Defense says otherwise. :-)

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

OK, so you've redefined your original claim. [this one is wrong, too]

DoD does not define amateur radio.

FCC defines amateur radio.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

But, I'm not going to do so on command of some lying insulter
who can't offer ONE shred of "proof" he actually did some of the
lies he states.

I've already given you the "shred" you need, Lennie...

All shredded... :-)

Sufficient information to verify my service record with VA...

Veterans Administration does not define MARS.

Did it right here in THIS forum.

You've consistently tried to define MARS by saying "MARS is
amateur radio."

Now who's "lying", Scumbag?

You are.


It's not an insult if it's true. Let's see...California has Charlie
Manson, is home to the Crips and Bloods, has the largest (by far) percentage
of
drug abusers and is known as the worlds first drive-by shooting range. More
cities in CA have smog and other pollution control issues than almost
anywhere else in the United States, and typically has a tax burden on it's
citizens
that chokes any "lifestyle" benefits out of them.

The State of California does not define MARS.

So, one can assume you HATE California and all 30+ million citizens?

:-)


No, Lennie...I am just very adept at proving what a liar and idiot you've
become in your waning years.

Whatever. DoD lies about MARS. Only nursie defines MARS.

That you don't like having your dirty laundry aired so frequently is YOUR
fault for hanging it out there.

We have a nice General Electric dryer here. Works fine. Nothing is
hanging out when laundry is done.

BTW, General Electric doesn't define MARS either...

But, you ARE an Amateur Extra, the very model of what manual
telegraphy and too much RF exposure can produce.

If that's your best shot, Lennie, you've failed again.

You are no longer an extra? Poor baby. Sorry we feel for you (Yoda).

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

P-51's are great, but not my idea of a "fantasy flight".

REAL private pilots are acquainted with the term "P-51 time." That's
a nastyphrase of those private pilots who LIE in their log-books
by writing in more time than they really have...using a Parker 51
pen.

Well, in as much as I know what would happen to me if it was determined
that I had falsified my logbook, I've never made an entry that wasn't
preceeded by an actual flight or logable training with a CFI or CGI.

Riiiiiight...just like you did all that "SSB" in VHF and UHF ham
bands. :-)

And I've been a licensed pilot for thirty YEARS this August, and I have
NEVER heard the term "P-51 time" in any other term than that used by people
who actually logged time in a North American P-51.

You've never heard the term "P-51 time?!?" :-)

You should get around more...when not flying all those "missions"
for the CAP. :-)

Perhaps that's why you find it easy to BE a liar and find it equally hard
to understand why others don't accept your conduct.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Looking in the mirror again? :-)

Have you read the DoD Directive on MARS yet, ace?

Are you still claiming the DoD Directive says "MARS is amateur radio?"

If you do, YOU are LYING.

Try the USN-USMC Communications Instruction. Does it say "MARS
is amateur radio?"

If you do, YOU are LYING.


Uh huh. You're welcome to review the FAA data base.

FAA doesn't define MARS. FCC doesn't define MARS.

Nursie defines MARS.

Nursie is not right in the head.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

Please remind us about all the off-spring YOU have raised, Lennie?

You really don't want to go there, little man.

Sure, Lennie.

YOU have suggested that you know something about child growth and
development, and have suggested that there should be an age limit placed upon
Amatuer Radio licensure based upon the supposed lack of maturity and
responsibility of same.

You stubbornly insist on going into this non-subject. OK.

The DoD may have a directive on parenting somewhere (irrelevant to
this subject) but there is NO connection of parenting to MARS
activities or regulations.

You are attempting to misdirect the subject again. Stay focussed on
the subject instead of letting your ADD take over again. [it does so
often]

That would presume that either (1) you have a degree in a health care or
mental health discipline that would prepare you educationally to make such a
suggestion, or (2) you raised to maturity an offspring or several offspring
that allowed you to make an informed opinion.

You presume too much. While you may not be able to observe other
humans, most of us are able to do so.

Proper mental health includes the ability to understand directives and
regulations and not try to redefine them for the sake of making some
message points in a newsgroup. You failed in that regard and refuse
to acknowledge that. That's mental aberration by yourself.

There is no "degree" or "credential" required to be a parent. Human
reproduction is done by unskilled people. Raising children to maturity
is more akin to a trial-and-error process...where, if the original result
is defective, there is no real hope of success. [that's life, tough as it
is] Even with a good product, it takes sensitivity and observation and
considerable compassion to raise a child to "maturity."

The degree of "maturity" is at question in your case. For example,
you've been given the identification of DoD Directive plus Regulations
of the Army, Air Force, and Navy in regards to MARS existance and
activities. Still, you stubbornly insist "MARS is amateur radio." It is
not.

You have no degree in ANY healthcare discipline that I am aware of.

A "degree in any healthcare discipline" is NOT required to operate,
design, or manufacture a radio.

A "degree in any healthcare discipline" is NOT required to obtain
any sort of radio license, operator or station.

You refuse to acknowledge any parenting experience.

Parenting is not a requirement to operate, design, or build a
radio.

Parenting is not a requirement to obtain any sort of radio license,
operator or station.

Ergo you have ventured into yet another realm of human endeavor for which
you have no knowledge or experience from which to make said suggestion.

The subject is the Military Affiliate Radio System.

It is not parenting.

It should be obvious to you but you can't see it...

The subject is the Military Affiliate Radio System.

It is not parenting.

Look at the top of your AOL mail screen display. It should say
"Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio"."

Fairly obvious to me...and anyone else using AOL software, even
with other browsers.

In as much as all I can see at this moment is the screen upon which these
words appear, you'd be correct.

I have only to repeat the official documents of the DoD and the three
major U.S. military branches in regards to MARS. Nowhere do
these documents state that "MARS is amateur radio."

You MAY have seen those, but it is difficult to discern. You keep
saying contrary statements when not personally attacking people.

If you suggest that I draw some conclusion from your silence, well,
that's
already done.

I wasn't speaking - at any time - of producing damaged children.


What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

I did much the same late last year talking from a moored
sailboat in a California marina.

Both times and all times in between WITHOUT needing an
amateur radio license!

But, without passing a manual telegraphy test, it is NOT LEGAL
to do that on U.S. amateur bands below 30 MHz.

"...below 30 MHz." is NOT what you said in the first post.

Don't try to quibble on words, you only dribble on the keyboard.

Part 97 of Title 47 C.F.R. is one of the smallest Parts and can
be understood by anyone...anyone without preconceived or
imaginary ideas.

You insinuated that it was necessary to know Morse Code to use SSB.

U.S. amateur radio regulations state that all amateurs must
demonstrate manual telegraphy skill by test in order to receive a
grant having privileges below 30 MHz. That's straightforward and
applies to ANY allocated modulation type.

SSB is used all throughout the VHF and UHF ranges by Amateurs.

Regulations say "phone" or voice communications.

When was the last time you used SSB on the 4mm band?

Your exploits in 1954 are irrelevent, both to discusssions about Morse
Code examinations and the use of SSB by licensed Amateurs.

Using SSB is a simple matter of operating, by adjusting the proper
radio controls. That can be done by NON-amateurs. :-) Some
private boat owners do it all time...just like I did in late 2003 from
a marina-moored sailboat. :-)

Hasn't been for 13 years.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Get some mental help...

Lennie, YOU are the idiot that keeps jumping from trying to make some
analogy between your Army radio clerk days in the 1950's and the present day
Amateur Radio examination requirements, then jump to trying to tell me what
the MARS program is all about.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still on Fantasy Island?

I was NEVER an "Army radio clerk." My MOS was 281.6, Microwave
Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance Supervisor. That's what it
says on my DD-214. That's what I did...as well as being a Fixed
Station Radio Operations and Maintenance Supervisor plus a number
of other secondary (brevet) MOSs such as VHF radio relay and
carrier equipment.

I don't "jump to trying to tell you anything." [nobody can] Since you
FAILED to provide any references for your statements about MARS,
for three weeks time, I just did a simple Internet search and found the
appropriate documents and their identification and then posted that
here. I've downloaded all those documents for reference.

NONE of those downloaded documents says "MARS is amateur
radio."

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS frequencies are NOT in allocated amateur bands. MARS
callsigns are not legal to use as identification within amateur radio
bands and amateur radio callsigns are not legal to use as
identification outside of amateur radio bands.

MARS is not defined in the U.S. amateur radio regulations nor is it
regulated by the FCC.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Seems to me YOU are the one in need of help.

The world is wrong but nursie is right? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Putz.

You keep on with filthy profanities as a salutation. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You need another shot of penicillin. You are still discharging.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

Yep. And when I was released, I was given one.

Which was it, a DD-214 or an "honorable discharge?"

I'll get another one in September of this year.

When did you "re-enlist?"

One service period = one discharge. Not two.

Sorry, Lennie.

Things changed since you were in uniform. Not in YOUR mind, of course,
but the rest of the world moved on.

Nursie is still trying to bluff and bluster his way through an "argument."

:-)

DD-214s are still only a Release from Active Duty.

Military service discharges are a different form.

And September of 2004 will be 30 years since I first went on Active Duty.

That's when you are eligible for full retirement. Up until then you are in
the
"Fleet Marine Reserve"

I'm not in any Fleet Marine Reserve. Never was. :-)

Nobody really cares how long you were some kind of murine hero
in the service of your country (or other self-defined patriotic crapola).

You never engaged in any military radio communications while in
the murines. You don't know the systems, you don't know the
procedures, you can't identify familiar pieces of equipment which
all real military communications people would know.

You can have a discharge any time you want. Some folks call
that "physical abuse."

The last "discharge" I had was 25 years ago, and kinda looked like you
do now.

A shot of Penicillin took care of it, though.

Not quite. There is public evidence that your mind was affected.

All military activities are governed by directives and regulations.
MARS exists because a DoD Directive says it does. [not by the
FCC and not by the ARRL]

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

If you're gonna presume to demonstrate knowledge of administrative
proceeses of the Armed Forces, Lennie, ya need to spend some more time
learning about them. Then you can plagerize those sites too.

Apparently there's a gross lack of your understanding of military
procedure. For example, the Department of Defense (they are in
charge of ALL U.S. militaries) issued a Directive describing and
establishing MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Incorrect in the real world. The MILITARY AFFILIATE Radio System
is NOT amateur radio.

Bluster, bluff, and bombast will not dissuade anyone and it certainly
doesn't override any Department of Defense Directorate.

MARS is as MARS is directed and regulated. It is NOT amateur
radio.

Nursie, get some mental therapy. You need it.

Uh huh...right.

Agreement that you DO have a problem is an optimistic sign.

The next step is to act on that realization. Good luck on that.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: Robert Casey
Date: 5/25/2004 7:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."


Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

Lennie the Lame refuses to admit that Amateur licensees have had Morse
Code free access to the SSB mode for 13 years now.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still in the name-calling activity.

U.S. amateur radio regulations define the modulations and frequencies
which radio amateurs are allowed to operate.

U.S. amateur radio regulations do NOT define the Military Affiliate
Radio System.

Nursie is trying to misdirect the thread from the subject, MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free tech license.

He knows it, Robert.

There are NO "SSB subbands" on 6 and 2 meter bands.

Regulations state "phone" which is voice communications.

He's just an antagonist. He has absolutely nothing left to offer, so
being argumenitive and idiotic are his methods of expression.

No "antagonism," just an attempt to get stubborn mules to move
off of their Fantasy Island imaginations.

Sure MARS is not ham radio, but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Yes, they are. And without the contibutions of those licensed Amateur
Radio operators, there'd be no MARS program today...At least not in it's
present form.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, trying to equate a justification by a conditional.

Bad form, OM. Poor rationalization.

Throughout its existance, MARS has NOT normally "carried military
traffic." That is done by regular military communications systems
which are not recreational activities.

What is left of MARS is now realigned to be an additional radio
system for liason with real emergency agencies such as FEMA.
With the spread of the Internet (plus VoIP), service members can
now communicate with "home" directly...and do, even from field
locations in the Middle East.

What MARS did in the past was a very valuable service for the
morale of distant service members such as in Vietnam of 39 to
34 years ago. That is acknowledged and appreciated...but it WAS,
and is not a present-day large activity.

Without the Department of Defense Directive, there would be NO
MARS. Not in ANY "present day form."

LHA / WMD

Robert Casey wrote in message ...





Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

And some wear firefighter outfits.

And dog catchers and street sweepers and sewer workers.

Doesn't make them MARS ops, does it?


But they are not hams using ham radio licenses and ham radio frequencies.


And MARS ops use MARS frequencies.

Cell phone users are not using ham radio either.

Cell phone users could be Hams, Police, Firefighters, Dog Catchers,
Street Sweepers, Sewer Workers, MARS Ops, Moms, Dads, kids, War
Planners, and Senators.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."