JJ wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
(William) wrote in message . com...

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

In article ,
(Stevie the gunnery nurse) writes:


No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

It really is THAT simple.

You have it really SO WRONG. :-)

No Department of Defense authorization for MARS means NO MARS.

MARS operates OUTSIDE of civil amateur radio bands.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

...and that's the way it is.


Yup.


Nope.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Steve,K4YZ

Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

That's not what Steve means.

He said, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio," and he meant it.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...without the DoD Directive there would be NO MARS!

The DoD directive ENABLES MARS.

Wow! No wonder you got put out.

Directives "enable" something or some action.

Unable to adapt to military service and unable to adapt to civilian life.

Where does that leave you?

UNABLE. :-)

LHA / WMD

JJ wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:

Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

We'll never know, JJ...Lennie the Lame is the first and only
person I know of to claim that he could participate in MARS without
being a licensed Amateur.

I will preempt Brain and state OTHER than those appointed or
hired to oversee the program by DoD.

This one caveat notwithstanding, I am still awaiting Lennie'e
presentation of his Navy-Marine Corps MARS callsign and credentials of
membership.

Thankfully, I know better than to hold by breath!

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

JJ wrote in message
...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:

Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

We'll never know, JJ...Lennie the Lame is the first and only
person I know of to claim that he could participate in MARS without
being a licensed Amateur.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...then what is written in an official USN-USMC
Communications Instruction is "wrong?" :-)

I will preempt Brain and state OTHER than those appointed or
hired to oversee the program by DoD.

What are you trying to state in that sentence?

"Preempt?" You have NO authority, can't "preempt" anything.

This one caveat notwithstanding, I am still awaiting Lennie'e
presentation of his Navy-Marine Corps MARS callsign and credentials of
membership.

"Caveat?" Are you having pretensions of literary expertise as well?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Read the ENTIRETY of a dictionary some time... :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk, more obsessive NEED to "get hated others" in here.

The USN-USMC Communications Instruction is a regulation for
USN, USMC Military Affiliate Radio System operation. It says
what it says and all working in the USN-USMC MARS program are
obliged to obey it.

That does NOT mean anyone talking about it or showing what it
contains "must be a participant." :-)


Thankfully, I know better than to hold by breath!

Trying regular breathing sometime, gunnery nurse.

That way your brain could receive the necessary oxygen to function
(at least somewhat) close to normalcy.


Get some mental therapy for that obsessive hatred you have. It will
better for all concerned.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...without the DoD Directive there would be NO MARS!

The DoD directive ENABLES MARS.

Wow! No wonder you got put out.

Directives "enable" something or some action.

Unable to adapt to military service and unable to adapt to civilian life.

Where does that leave you?

With a DD214 that provides a nice income and the words "Honorable"
on it.

A DD-214 only shows Release from Active Duty.

A Discharge from military service is a different form. THAT form would
have the conditions of discharge on it.

Your "credentials" are very confused (still).

The DoD directives do indeed "enable" the MARS program. Do you
disagree? Perhaps it was a DoS directive? DoJ...?!?!

The Department of Defense Directive ESTABLISHED the Military
Affiliate Radio System.

Note the words "military" and "affliate."

Department of State does NOT direct any military activity.

Department of Justice does NOT direct any military activity.

Try to understand your government.

Quit holding your breath so much. It deprives your brain of oxygen.

LHA / WMD

William wrote:
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

JJ wrote in message ...

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:



Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

We'll never know, JJ...Lennie the Lame is the first and only
person I know of to claim that he could participate in MARS without
being a licensed Amateur.


And Steve "I got a Uniform and Rank in the USAF Civil Air Patrol"
Gunnery Nurse K4YZ/K4CAP Robeson is the only person in recorded (as
in Google) human history to decla

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

It's just too ridiculous to ignore.

But the PCTA ignore it ("TAFKARJ has no opinion").


We're just sitting back and letting you two have your back alley brawl!
8^) T'aint a good idea to get involved in it....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

JJ wrote in message ...

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:



Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

We'll never know, JJ...Lennie the Lame is the first and only
person I know of to claim that he could participate in MARS without
being a licensed Amateur.


And Steve "I got a Uniform and Rank in the USAF Civil Air Patrol"
Gunnery Nurse K4YZ/K4CAP Robeson is the only person in recorded (as
in Google) human history to decla

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

It's just too ridiculous to ignore.

But the PCTA ignore it ("TAFKARJ has no opinion").


We're just sitting back and letting you two have your back alley brawl!
8^) T'aint a good idea to get involved in it....

- Mike KB3EIA -

I think something as absurd as what Steve is trying to defend is worth
rubbing his nose in it again and again.

Do you agree with "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio" ?

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Still waiting on your "Extra Lite out of the box", Lennie...Seems
YOU are the one "unable"...

And how's that application for Navy/MC MARS coming? "Unable" to
do that too, no doubt...

In the grand scheme of things, I think not getting an amateur license,
and getting put out of the US Marine Corps are magnitudes apart.

Your mileage may vary.

I am sure YOUR mileage varies, Brain, but only since you've not been paying
attention.

Try to read what OTHERS say, and not make third hand interpretations based
upon Lennie's rantings and antagonisms. The enlightenment will be astounding.



Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...without the DoD Directive there would be NO MARS!

The DoD directive ENABLES MARS.

Wow! No wonder you got put out.

Directives "enable" something or some action.

Unable to adapt to military service and unable to adapt to civilian life.

Where does that leave you?

With a DD214 that provides a nice income and the words "Honorable"
on it.

The DoD directives do indeed "enable" the MARS program. Do you
disagree? Perhaps it was a DoS directive? DoJ...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

What amazes me are the number of military retirees with a disability
check and still capable of pulling in a full-time income from - work.

From "work" that is NOT the same as what I was required to do in the US
Marine Corps.

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

Those "disabilities" came from service connected injuries. Doing their
"work".

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 5:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...

However, the Marines did have trouble getting authorized to activate
Navy MARS. So I requested that we activate an AF MARS station to
provide MWR traffic for the Marines. In the space of two dits, the
Navy authorized MARS use. An AF MARS authorization is written into
each TALCE deployment.

What, exactly, does that have to do with my question?

Tell us again how you have "real military experience" but never wore a
uniform.

Handling MARS traffic might give you real military experience, but I've got
plenty.

I'll try again:
How many pieces of MARS traffic did you handle?

What's it to you?

Hey Brian (W3RV)...I think Brain answered your question right there...

Just like he answered the questions about his alleged "T5" operation...

"I didn't REALLY go to Somalia, but I did spend the night at a Holiday Inn
Express....."

I am sure he's in Hog Heaven now that his BoyToy, Lennie the Liar is back
in action...

THERE'S two "peas in a pod"...

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Don't need luck when you work smarter.

Then buy TWO lottery tickets, Brain...

At this rate you're gonna need a LOT of luck. "Smarter" is NOT your
better suit.

Matter of fact, I don't think you can even get into the fitting room.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 7:39 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Somebody has to get the Marines to where they're going. If they don't
mind a long ride, they take a boat. If they're needed a bit quicker,
they take a plane. Airplanes typically require a runway, and
Mogadishu had one. What they didn't have was atc and weather. Too
bad the Marines aren't self-propelled. It would save everyone a lot
of trouble.

Why?

According to a SecDef inteview on Sixty Minutes a few years back, the
Commander-in-Chief wants to know two things when the stuff hits the fan...Where
are the nearest carriers, and is the MEF ready to hit the beach...?!?!

No runways or ATC needed. And no particular interest in the USAF or it's
MWR department.

Just a mission.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 7:39 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Somebody has to get the Marines to where they're going. If they don't
mind a long ride, they take a boat. If they're needed a bit quicker,
they take a plane. Airplanes typically require a runway, and
Mogadishu had one. What they didn't have was atc and weather. Too
bad the Marines aren't self-propelled. It would save everyone a lot
of trouble.

Why?

According to a SecDef inteview on Sixty Minutes a few years back, the
Commander-in-Chief wants to know two things when the stuff hits the
fan...Where are the nearest carriers, and is the MEF ready to hit the
beach...?!?!

According to a DoD Directive and three Regulations -

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT "amateur radio."

The only thing that "hit the fan" in this thread is nursie's cursing and
foul-mouthed, foul-minded pejoratives and denigrations connected
with his psychosis of being unable to separate a civilian hobby radio
activity from the murine corps.

Try to stay focussed, EX-murine. Amateur radio is NOT the same as
the USMC.

No runways or ATC needed.

You are fantasizing again. Amateur radio is NOT the same as the
USMC.

And no particular interest in the USAF or it's MWR department.

Just a mission.

Nursie could convert to Catholicsm in order to take a Retreat at some
Mission. The peace and quiet might soothe the savage, disordered
beast within him.

MARS is NOT "amateur radio."

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 5:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
e.com...

However, the Marines did have trouble getting authorized to activate
Navy MARS. So I requested that we activate an AF MARS station to
provide MWR traffic for the Marines. In the space of two dits, the
Navy authorized MARS use. An AF MARS authorization is written into
each TALCE deployment.

What, exactly, does that have to do with my question?

Tell us again how you have "real military experience" but never wore a
uniform.

Handling MARS traffic might give you real military experience, but I've got
plenty.

I'll try again:
How many pieces of MARS traffic did you handle?

What's it to you?

Hey Brian (W3RV)...I think Brain answered your question right there...

Just like he answered the questions about his alleged "T5" operation...

"I didn't REALLY go to Somalia, but I did spend the night at a Holiday
Inn
Express....."

Brian Burke was THERE. Nursie wasn't there. Kellie Katapult wasn't
there.

Kellie wasn't even IN any military.

I am sure he's in Hog Heaven now that his BoyToy, Lennie the Liar is
back in action...

Nursie needs to acquire social skills. ANY social skills. Very
few in evidence.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT "amateur radio." By Directive, by Regulation.

Those who live constantly in Fantasyland cannot be rational.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD




THERE'S two "peas in a pod"...

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
e.com...
(William) wrote in message
e.com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
e.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...without the DoD Directive there would be NO MARS!

The DoD directive ENABLES MARS.

Wow! No wonder you got put out.

Directives "enable" something or some action.

Unable to adapt to military service and unable to adapt to civilian life.

Where does that leave you?

With a DD214 that provides a nice income and the words "Honorable"
on it.

The DoD directives do indeed "enable" the MARS program. Do you
disagree? Perhaps it was a DoS directive? DoJ...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

What amazes me are the number of military retirees with a disability
check and still capable of pulling in a full-time income from - work.

From "work" that is NOT the same as what I was required to do in the
US Marine Corps.

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

Those "disabilities" came from service connected injuries. Doing
their "work".

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT "amateur radio."

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(gunnery nurse of the gurney blabbers while off his meds) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
e.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Still waiting on your "Extra Lite out of the box", Lennie...Seems
YOU are the one "unable"...

And how's that application for Navy/MC MARS coming? "Unable" to
do that too, no doubt...

In the grand scheme of things, I think not getting an amateur license,
and getting put out of the US Marine Corps are magnitudes apart.

Your mileage may vary.

I am sure YOUR mileage varies, Brain, but only since you've not been
paying attention.

It's almost impossible to NOT notice all the curses, denigrations, and
general personal attacks of hatred and outrage from frustrated
ex-murines who still can't understand they aren't in the military
service anymore.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio. It is based on a Department of
Defense Directive, not by the FCC or ARRL.

Try to read what OTHERS say, and not make third hand interpretations based
upon Lennie's rantings and antagonisms.

What "others," nursie?

Did all of your split personalities get together and hold a group protest?

Did you see the Department of Defense Directive? Are you able to
read it? Did you see the USN-USMC Communications Instruction?
Are you able to read it? How about the USAF or USA Regulations?

NO "third-hand interpretations" from four documents from the
authorities on the Military Affiliate Radio System. No "interpretation"
necessary at all.

Without the MILITARY authority, MARS ceases to exist.

It's as simple as that.

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

Get some medical help for your psychosis.

LHA / WMD



The enlightenment will be
astounding.

In article ,
(William) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...
William wrote:
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

JJ wrote in message
...

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:



Maybe it should be No Amateur Radio = No MARS participation.

We'll never know, JJ...Lennie the Lame is the first and only
person I know of to claim that he could participate in MARS without
being a licensed Amateur.


And Steve "I got a Uniform and Rank in the USAF Civil Air Patrol"
Gunnery Nurse K4YZ/K4CAP Robeson is the only person in recorded (as
in Google) human history to decla

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio."

It's just too ridiculous to ignore.

But the PCTA ignore it ("TAFKARJ has no opinion").


We're just sitting back and letting you two have your back alley brawl!

8^) T'aint a good idea to get involved in it....

- Mike KB3EIA -

I think something as absurd as what Steve is trying to defend is worth
rubbing his nose in it again and again.

Do you agree with "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio" ?

Someone's "medical rehabilitation" wasn't finished.

"M" in MARS = MILITARY

"A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

Yon leatherneck (and rest of body) is unable to differentiate between
Amateur Radio and Military Affiliate Radio System.

Maybe medical science wasn't up to the task of finishing the
"rehabilitation" program?

Mike is unable to compete in this arena. [ice is too cold for him]

TAFKARJ is busy with 160 years ago and the first COMMERCIAL
use of manual telegraphy done by PROFESSIONALS. :-)

Herr Robust has gone out to buy more poison with which to flavor
his "replies." [or maybe his pen dissolved in the acid]

Katapult Kellie is scrounging up a camera to snap more bears for
Navy intelligence.

Hans has been hitting the gym so that he could "throw out with
great force." [or throw up, unknown...]

Wince Ficus bloomed early with a teeny, tiny nastygram.

Gunnery nurse can't think for all the noise of singing "Halls of
Montezuma" and other little gems of murine brainwashing while
confusing the Amateur's Code with code of civil, civilian conduct.

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB." :-)

LHA / WMD

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

Those "disabilities" came from service connected injuries. Doing
their
"work".

Steve, K4YZ

Yeh, yeh. You claim to work in an ER where lifting of patients and
various other intense stressors are at work. Why wouldn't you be fit
for duty in the USMC?

OK, PuppetBoy...let's go back up a couple lines and see if you can figure
out why you are such an idiot...

QUOTE:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

UNQUOTE

"...required physical rehab..."

Now, do ya need it in any other language, or is your cranial-rectal
inversion quota filled for the day...?!?!

"I'm laughing at the superior intellect..."

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 6:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Don't need luck when you work smarter.

Then buy TWO lottery tickets, Brain...

At this rate you're gonna need a LOT of luck. "Smarter" is NOT your
better suit.

Matter of fact, I don't think you can even get into the fitting room.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, how do you think I got into the USAF?

On your knees, I assume.

Why do you think so many
have to go Army, Navy, or USMC?

Quick: Which branch of the Armed Forces has the higher percentage of
college completed enlisted personnel?

Who has the highest degree of highschool graduates? (HS can still be
waived in some cases)

Which branch has the highest percentage of personnel presnetly enrolled in
degree completion programs right now? (hint, it's NOT the USAF)

Best of Luck on that one.

Why? Why do I need "luck" dealing with you...?!?!

You (and your "mentor", Lennie the Lame) are your own worst enemies.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(gunnery nurse of the gurney blabbers while off his meds) writes:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the
collected NG Mistruths of Leonard H Anderson.


MARS is NOT amateur radio. It is based on a Department of
Defense Directive, not by the FCC or ARRL.

MARS, without Amateur Radio, would be defunct.

Without the MILITARY authority, MARS ceases to exist.

It's as simple as that.

Without the civilian, Amateur Radio licensed participants, it would not be
able to function, civil, military or otherwise.

It really is THAT simple.

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

P-51's are great, but not my idea of a "fantasy flight".

Get some medical help for your psychosis.

"Medical" help for a mental health diagnosis would be inappropriate.

However since you are neither trained or educated in medical OR mental
health issues, you wouldn't know that.

Once again, lack of knowledge AND experience have betrayed you.

You really ARE a putz, Leonard.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/24/2004 5:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
le.com...

I'll try again:
How many pieces of MARS traffic did you handle?

What's it to you?

Hey Brian (W3RV)...I think Brain answered your question right there...

Just like he answered the questions about his alleged "T5" operation...

"I didn't REALLY go to Somalia, but I did spend the night at a Holiday
Inn
Express....."

Brian Burke was THERE. Nursie wasn't there. Kellie Katapult wasn't
there.

Brain Burke CLAIMS to have been there.

So far he's not been able to produce even ONE trophy photo from Somalia.

I don't know a single Ham Radio operator who, having ahd a chance to
allegedly operate from an exotic location, can't produce at least ONE photo,
QSL card, or some other "proof" of having been there.

I have my doubts as to wether he ever left the confines of a protected US
facility in Europe, let alone deployed from CONUS.

Kellie wasn't even IN any military.

Doesn't matter.

W3RV asked a question. Brain retorted with a smart alec answer that has
once again left him in the position of looking like a liar with insinuations of
"knowing" something, yet not being able to document it or have experience to
back it up.

Kinda like you.

Those who live constantly in Fantasyland cannot be rational.

You're right...and you DO have a California address, so I guess you CAN'T
be "rational".

Sucks to be you.

Temper fry...

You're a putz (still).

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

Please remind us about all the off-spring YOU ahve raised, Lennie?

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

Hasn't been for 13 years.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

Yep. And when I was released, I was given one.

I'll get another one in September of this year.

If you're gonna presume to demonstrate knowledge of administrative
proceeses of the Armed Forces, Lennie, ya need to spend some more time learning
about them. Then you can plagerize those sites too.

Steve, K4YZ