"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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This is the latest update I could find on Google:-

WA2SI: September 13, 2003
KF6TPT: September 29, 2003
KC8EPO: December 31, 2003
K2UNK: January 1, 2004
K2ASP: March 15, 2004
AA2QA: April 1, 2004
N2EY: April 15, 2004
N3KIP: May 1, 2004
KC8PMX: July 1, 2004
WA2ISE: August 1, 2004
K3LT: September 15, 2004
WK3C: December 30, 2004
N8UZE: July 1, 2005
KB3EIA: July 5, 2007
K5TIT: June 1, 2008

Currently, if the code test was dropped before June 15, I would be the
winner, but that isn't likely as we don't even have an NPRM. The most
recent NPRM took 2 years to work it's way through. If we go by that,
it makes Dee the most likely winner. By then the US could be one of
the last countries with a code test, as per Len's humourous piece that
he posted the other day.

Alun, N3KIP

Your right Alun. I will make a prediction. The FCC will retain CW,
but for the Extra class only.

After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex
slave countries.

Dan/W4NTI




You wish. I predict Element 1 will go.

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
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This is the latest update I could find on Google:-

WA2SI: September 13, 2003
KF6TPT: September 29, 2003
KC8EPO: December 31, 2003
K2UNK: January 1, 2004
K2ASP: March 15, 2004
AA2QA: April 1, 2004
N2EY: April 15, 2004
N3KIP: May 1, 2004
KC8PMX: July 1, 2004
WA2ISE: August 1, 2004
K3LT: September 15, 2004
WK3C: December 30, 2004
N8UZE: July 1, 2005
KB3EIA: July 5, 2007
K5TIT: June 1, 2008

Currently, if the code test was dropped before June 15, I would be the
winner, but that isn't likely as we don't even have an NPRM. The most
recent NPRM took 2 years to work it's way through. If we go by that,
it makes Dee the most likely winner. By then the US could be one of
the last countries with a code test, as per Len's humourous piece that
he posted the other day.

Alun, N3KIP

Your right Alun. I will make a prediction. The FCC will retain CW,
but for the Extra class only.

After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex
slave countries.

Dan/W4NTI




You wish. I predict Element 1 will go.

Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to
see I have you placed in the right hole.

Dan/W4NTI

You wish. I predict Element 1 will go.



Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad to
see I have you placed in the right hole.

Dan/W4NTI




The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep
it for
extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the
VE's giving
the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to
keep and
maintain code test tapes.

"Robert Casey" wrote in message
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You wish. I predict Element 1 will go.



Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position. Glad
to
see I have you placed in the right hole.

Dan/W4NTI




The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep
it for
extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the
VE's giving
the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to
keep and
maintain code test tapes.

Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt give
a hoot out of what the citizens want?

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
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"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...







You wish. I predict Element 1 will go.



Most people of limited drive and ambition will take that position.
Glad to see I have you placed in the right hole.

Dan/W4NTI




The way the FCC has talked about code lately, I doubt that they'd keep
it for
extra only vs just dumping it entirely. "Reduction of burden on the
VE's giving
the tests" and all that. Keeping it for extra means that VEs have to
keep and
maintain code test tapes.

Gee, ya really think so? And so what? Since when did the gobernmunt
give a hoot out of what the citizens want?

Dan/W4NTI




They don't, but the FCC is heavily into the concept of reducing the
regulatory burden by simplification of rules, a very Reaganesque idea.
Which is simpler, keeping a requirement for some licences only or making it
go away altogether? Abolishing Element 1 completely fits their philosophy,
and the alternative doesn't.

Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue that
no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs
may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes,
so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved.

Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue
that
no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs
may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes,
so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved.

Na Alun don't worry about those expenses for code tapes or programs or 33
RPM records etc. There have been many a VE out there who has taken his
significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. Why
would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are
locally offered ???

Dare I say shenanigans ....... ??????

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.

"garigue" wrote

There have been many a VE out there who has taken his
significant other out for a "night on the town" after a
VE session.

I take K0CKB out for a "night on the town" anytime I damned well please,
but it has nothing to do with funds from a VE session.

If you can prove your accusation, then the FCC will be greatly
interested in hearing from you.

On the other hand, it's my guess that you're full of
male-bovine-fecal-matter up to your eyeballs, and somebody ought to
stomp a mudhole between them for your slander.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

"garigue" wrote in
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Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue
that no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and
secondly, VEs may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have
to buy code tapes, so some paltry amount of money may in fact be
saved.

Na Alun don't worry about those expenses for code tapes or programs or
33 RPM records etc. There have been many a VE out there who has taken
his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session.
Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when
tests are locally offered ???

Dare I say shenanigans ....... ??????

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.




You do realise that the max that can be claimed back is a percentage of the
test fee?

garigue wrote:
Of course, since the code tests are done by volunteers you could argue

that

no money will be saved. Firstly, that won't stop them, and secondly, VEs
may be less likely to claim expenses if they don't have to buy code tapes,
so some paltry amount of money may in fact be saved.


Na Alun don't worry about those expenses for code tapes or programs or 33
RPM records etc. There have been many a VE out there who has taken his
significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session. Why
would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are
locally offered ???

Zounds, Tom!!! I doubt that the proceeds from most tests would cover
much of a night out on the town, once the VEC gets it's cut. Then you
have the other VE's to split the booty with...... Heck, I doubt you
could eat at Arby's by the end of the malfeasance.

All endeavors have the occasional bad egg, but at every test I ever
attended - there were 4 of them - the VE's seemed as honest as can be,
plus some of them that I personally knew are in no doubt as to their
honesty.

And FWIW, I live in State College PA.

I took my Technician test in Williamsport, over an hour away.

I took my General test in Butler PA, a two hour + drive

I took my Element 1 test in State College PA (flunked it at Butler)

I took my Extra test at Lock Haven, around an hour drive.

Basically the reason that I traveled to the tests was because that was
where a test was taking place when I had the time to take the test.

- Mike KB3EIA

"garigue" wrote in message news:u%uqc.75539$xw3.4174734@attbi_s04...

There have been many a VE out there who has taken his
significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session.

As a reward for putting up with the demands of being a VE. Paperwork,
lots of extra stuff about the house, spending a good part of the
weekend at some hamfest or other giving tests to strangers for not
much more than a couple of donuts......

Why
would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when tests are
locally offered ???

Lots of reasons. Most of the VE sessions I know of are part of a
hamfest, so two things get done. Timing of the tests is another - if
someone is a "morning person", taking the test in the evening is
setting oneself up for failure. "Local" tests that are scheduled at
inconvenient times don't do the testee any good.

Dare I say shenanigans ....... ??????

Got any proof? Not aspersions on the character of unnamed persons, but
actual solid proof of wrongdoing? If so, tell Riley - FCC does care
about such things. If not, why besmirch the efforts of thousands of
honest volunteers?

The VEs who do the grunt work of actually giving the tests didn't
invent the system and they don't make the rules. In the 20 year
history of the system, only a tiny handful out of thousands of VEs
have been found guilty of any sort of wrongdoing in connection with
their VE activities. Perhaps an apology to the vast majority of honest
VEs is in order.

Yes, I wish FCC would do all the testing, and that the tests were
secret, etc., etc. But that's just not going to happen any time soon
because it costs $$$.



73 de Jim, N2EY