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William June 20th 04 04:17 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,

PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:


Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-)


Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in
service.


Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air"
assault? :-)


Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.

Len Over 21 June 20th 04 06:34 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.


Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his

stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."


100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.

Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP.


Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed.

That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes.


"My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..."

Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI."

(NCI = No Content Indicator)


"I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty
cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-)

Nursie's big negative nothing. Less rest mass than a neutrino.


A black hole?


Shhhh...don't mention Those things...the good Rev. might get
upset!

Steven wouldn't be caught Hawking one of them, either... :-)

Temper fry...


Tempura!


"If you knew sushi, like I know sushi, oh, oh, pass me da Tums."

:-)

LHA / WMD


Len Over 21 June 20th 04 06:34 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(N2EY) writes:

In article ,


(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,

PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:


Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-)

Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in
service.


Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air"
assault? :-)


Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].


I get a kick out of the "patriots" who never served in our military
making all kinds of big, important noises about "the war effort!"

Jimmie wants to support Katapult Kellie and his shooting bears
for naval intelligence...so he loves to pick on those who served
rather close to USSR territory.

Never mind that a major area headquarters had all kinds of radio
communications running 24/7 to the States and elsewhere or
that Joe had The Bomb or that the Cold War was anything but
cold in the fifties and sixties. Jimmie gotta drag out one of the
Jane's books and Lecture all about USSR aircraft instead. Like
Jimmie spent a lot of time on the flight line, of course. :-(

Then Jimmie is working up to a hissy-fit asking "who's Rev.
Jim?" After several Sermons on the Antenna Mount, he
doesn't know?!?

Heck, he may be doing a Gibson for a religious picture, drumming
up support?

[Hoot Gibson, not Mel...]

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?


I'd heard that. :-)

Along with manual telegraphy skills are the epitome of excellence,
the heart and soul of U.S. amateur radio and "morse code is fast."

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.


Could be too much RF exposure? [or the UHF connector got
put into the wrong receptacle?}

All I bothered to mention was that the old military phonetic
alphabet ("able, baker, charlie") got replaced with the NATO
phonetic alphabet ("alpha, bravo, charlie") in 1955...my next
to the last year of active duty in the U.S. Army.

Jimmie wants to rehash old, old arguments in this newsgroup
rather than focus on the reality of now. I guess he figures that
repeating the old stuff over and over might allow him to "win"
one of the arguments...like watching re-runs of "Wheel of
Fortune" and hoping some contestant will guess diffeently and
win more...

Silly. Yeah.



Steve Robeson K4CAP June 20th 04 02:31 PM

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/19/2004 6:58 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.


They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


I guess we can throw out as "irrelevent" the fact that there has been
rather thorough documentation of the Armed Forces' use of "manual telegraphy"
for routine communications right up to the 80's....And NOT "spoon fed by ARRL
publications".

Of course those are FACTS, and facts don't sit well with one who can't
stand the truth.

Okay, any positive statements about morse code are allowed
and even honored even though some of the individuals involved
are obviously fish stories.


"some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories."??

What does that mean?


It means that if it ruins one of Lennie's rants it but be a fish story.

Those against morse code are evil,
wicked, mean, and nasty, are always incorrect and should never
be considered. :-)


Why should anyone be "against morse code"?


Becasue to be "for" Morse Code is to be AGAINST Lennie...Can't have that
now!

So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.


Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.


Once again Lennie displays his colors with the "olde tyme hamme"
reference.

He MUST keep on
fighting the good fight over ancient postings, again and again and
again and again and...yawn

You mean the like the one where you called another poster a "feldwebel" and
told him to "shut the hell up"?


Right.


Do you think it's OK to tell someone else in a newsgroup to "shut up", Len?


Obviously he does. He does it frequently. Usually when he's got his tail
caught under yet another rocking chair, which is pretty frequently these days!

The ROE of this newsgroup is:

1. Any kind of language or lack of civility by any morse code
proponent is perfectly acceptible, even encouraged.


No it isn't.


No more or no less than the use of blatant profanity by allegedly college
educated, "professional" engineers who are "against" Morse Code.

2. Anything said by anyone who does not love, honor, cherish
morse code is to be denigrated, insulted, vilified, and looked
at nasty just because of what they think.


Not at all.


No more or less than the insistence by certain alleged "professionals"
that Amateurs show awe and reverence to them as our "superiors"...Recent
suggestions by one of those alleged professionals that some in this forum are
"jealous" or otherwise despise them for BEING an (alleged) engineer is a prime
example.

All of those sub-
humans must always behave civilly and show respect for the
code lovers even if the code lovers are behaving as iceholes.

That pretty well sums it up.

Really?


Again with the inference of profanity.

Some professional.

Rev. Jimmie, go back to Google where you live...

WHO is "Rev. Jimmie", Len?


Sheeesh, Jim...You don't expect Lennie will ever live up to his own
rhetoric and treat others in the same way he demands that HE be treated...even
when you ARE treating him the way he expects...?!?!

Almost seven years now and I STILL have yet to see him do as he professes
or what he says he will do.

And I take the "...go back to Google" remark to be yet another "shut up"
by someone who can't stand being made a fool of with his own words....Again.

73

Steve, K4YZ







Steve Robeson K4CAP June 20th 04 02:52 PM

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/19/2004 10:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].


You made this up, right?

More over, do you BELIEVE what you wrote? I ask because there is more
than a small amount of evidence to the contrary.

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.


Kinda like "Unlicensed devices play a major role in "emergency
comms"...?!?!

Or..."I operated portable from Somalia"...?!?!

And let's not forget..."I consider Len to be my mentor and I admire
him"...

Sheeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP June 20th 04 02:57 PM

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/19/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.


Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his

stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."


100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.


That you may have sent out "QSL" cards is not at issue. That you sent out
QSL cards confirming your activites from Somalia are.

What IS at issue is the validity of the operation (it wasn't) and whom you
may have had QSO's with (you refuse to state).

So far, you've not provided us with anything more than a claim that you
operated from Somalia.

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in THIS forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you allege to
ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.

Steve, K4YZ






Alun June 20th 04 06:13 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in
:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/19/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged
operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his
stinger got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good
rash...
:-)

"Nothing to send."


100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL
card.


That you may have sent out "QSL" cards is not at issue. That you
sent out
QSL cards confirming your activites from Somalia are.

What IS at issue is the validity of the operation (it wasn't) and
whom you
may have had QSO's with (you refuse to state).

So far, you've not provided us with anything more than a claim
that you
operated from Somalia.

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in
THIS forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you
allege to ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other
than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.

Steve, K4YZ







Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those
of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past
oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when
they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake.

For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or
building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point
in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with
permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it
approved for DXCC.

William June 20th 04 08:34 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his

stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."


100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.

Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP.


Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed.


Congenital. Like Hillary

That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes.


"My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..."

Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI."

(NCI = No Content Indicator)


"I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty
cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-)


I think he played a bit part in "Small Soldiers."

Len Over 21 June 20th 04 11:19 PM

In article , Alun
writes:

Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those
of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past
oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when
they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake.

For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or
building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point
in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with
permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it
approved for DXCC.


Alun, if there be some etymology of that thread, no "DXCC" was
involved. No contesting at all was involved.

It began when Heil made some chance remark about "working
Frenchmen on 6m out of band." Brian Burke tossed that one
back to him with some mild ascerbicity which caused Heil to
go bananas. Nursie got out his rusty bayonet, locked and
loaded, and made like the Charge of Lite Brigade (which led
into the Valley of Death of his of today).

Nursie never got to Somalia, certainly not to any "hostile action"
there (or anyplace else with any proof) but Brian Burke did.
Brian earlier had made a chance remark about operating from
there on ham frequencies, getting permission from his
commanding officer. That resulted in a long, overdrawn word
battle and flame war with Heil who was resentful (to the max)
of anyone having the temerity to toss him a rejoinder. Nursie
jumped in on that with usual diss-and-cuss, trying to make
like a legal eagle with smarts instead of the hummingbird
with dumbth.

The PCTA of this newsgrope all seem to be self-righteous,
prissy puritans of perfection who will explode with outrage at
the slightest provocation of their beloved manual telegraphy
as being anything less than the ultimate skill of amateurs.

It's almost as Henry Ford put it on the color of the Model T:
"You can have any opinion you want, so long as its pro-
code."

That's the "new" freedom of speech in here. Enjoy.



Len Over 21 June 20th 04 11:19 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in THIS forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you allege to
ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.


Poor nursie. Kills a horse, then keeps trying to kill it all over
again. The beat goes on...

Nursie said he was in "hostile actions" during his military days.
Doesn't give ANY details on it, no when, no where.

Nursie claims his "DD-214" says he got an "honorable
discharge" (not a medical) even though a DD-214 is a
Release from Active Duty and NOT a discharge paper.

Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without
presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could
verify his general claims.

"No Proof = Didn't Happen."

Under the Rules of Engagement in here, all PCTAs can say
they do or have done anything and it is "the absolute truth."
All NCTAs have to present proof, give names of references,
file notarized legal papers, and probably publish it in the
Newington press...and all that will be thoroughly dissed-
and-cussed for years in here by the PCTA.

NCTAs can give government document references having
full public access specifically about a specific matter and
some PCTAs will still deny that such is proof. Hence -

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio."

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD



Len Over 21 June 20th 04 11:19 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/19/2004 10:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].


You made this up, right?


No, nursie, Brian is correct.

The U.S. government stopped amateur radio transmissions
during WW2. Really. It was in all the ham magazines and
everything. Didn't you see it?

More over, do you BELIEVE what you wrote? I ask because there is more
than a small amount of evidence to the contrary.


I don't think Brian is old enough to be alive during WW2, but
I was and I believe the U.S. government shut down amateur
radio transmitting during WW2.

Even the ARRL acknowledges that. Really!


BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.


Kinda like "Unlicensed devices play a major role in "emergency
comms"...?!?!


No, more like "CW gets through when nothing else will..."

Or, that morse testing has to continue for "traditional"
reasons (and because olde-tyme hammes are pished
out and insist all newcomers have to "work as hard" as
they did...because).

It might also be about 26 patents when only 1 exists or
shooting bears from an aircraft carrier or some Chesty
Puller wanna-be saying "I was in seven hostile actions"
and never revealing the When or Where of those. It could
also be those old-tyme hammes who made big noises
about "I design and build my own ham radios" who, a few
days later would talk a lot about his latest Kit project.

Of course, those same individuals have to misdirect a thread
into their oh-so-very-important-personal-battles in order to
diss-and-cuss those of opposite opinions.

This thread started out about Phonetic Alphabets. The "Able,
Baker, Charlie..." U.S. phonetic alphabet is familiar to me
because I learned it and used it in the U.S. Army. That set
was replaced by the NATO phonetic alphabet ("Alpha, Bravo..")
adopted in 1955. I am familiar with that since I was IN the
U.S. Army at that time, learned it and used it in military
communications. That's unalterable fact despite what those
weren't born then or mere infants at the time say.

The NATO phonetic alphabet was adopted by the International
Civil Aviation Organization shortly after the U.S. military adopted
it. Some in here want to argue and argue that phonetic alphabet
is called the "ICAO phonetic alphabet." That's rather petty.
NATO had it first. That's unalterable fact. All the aggressive
argumentation going on in here seems to be little more than a
disguise to diss-and-cuss certain personalities, certainly not
the subject matter.

LHA / WMD


Len Over 21 June 20th 04 11:19 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From:
PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/19/2004 6:58 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.


They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


I guess we can throw out as "irrelevent" the fact that there has been
rather thorough documentation of the Armed Forces' use of "manual telegraphy"
for routine communications right up to the 80's....And NOT "spoon fed by ARRL
publications".


And what might those "documentation" be, big-time military
communicator?

It couldn't be DoD Directive 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03) because nursie
sure as heck doesn't understand that.

How about all the alleged uses in Vietnam, 1962 through 1970, as
documented on the U.S. Army Center for Military History website?
Can't be that one, nursie never saw it, let alone read it.

How about Field Manual FM 24-24, December 1994, the index of
Signal Equipment? [available at the Gen. Dennis J. Reimer
digital library, public distribution, even linked-to by several ham
websites] It has all the land forces signal equipment in there,
but, alas, no code keys. Tsk, tsk.

How about "From Flares To Satellites," a USAF history document
available for public download from the USAF Communications
Agency website (public distribution also, but large at ~14 MB but
has pictures for those who can't understand words with more than
two capitalized letters such as "CW")?

Sunnuvagun! Not a single one of those predates the 1990s!

Must be a Big Conspiracy to "hide CW from the masses?"

Riiiight...the motion picture "Independence Day" showed us all
the REAL truth where "CW" is used to defeat alien space
invaders!!!!

Of course those are FACTS, and facts don't sit well with one who can't
stand the truth.


Riiiiiight. In nursieland there be only "FACTS" put there by nursie.


Okay, any positive statements about morse code are allowed
and even honored even though some of the individuals involved
are obviously fish stories.


"some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories."??

What does that mean?


It means that if it ruins one of Lennie's rants it but be a fish story.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie added that nastygram just for the halibut.


Those against morse code are evil,
wicked, mean, and nasty, are always incorrect and should never
be considered. :-)


Why should anyone be "against morse code"?


Becasue to be "for" Morse Code is to be AGAINST Lennie...Can't have that
now!


Who is "becasue?" [spelled Becky Sue wrong, nursie]

So...the morse code TEST issue is not for U.S. amateur radio
licensing?!?!?

It is all about nursie's hatred and outrage over someone he calls
"Lennie?"

tsk, tsk. Nurise either gone bonkers or has mis-read Steinbeck's
"Of Mice And Men." [the character of Lenny does a murder in
that one...]


So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.


Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.


Riiiiiight. All the newsgroup readers have seen those "real pictures."

Suuurrrrre. :-)

Nursie done flipped out, big time. tsk, tsk.

Yup, like nursie believe Kellie has "26 patents?" :-)

[actually, only one, the other 25 are foreign filings for the same
thing...which doesn't beat mine (3,848,191) assigned to RCA
which has 27 foreign filings...:-) ]


Once again Lennie displays his colors with the "olde tyme hamme"
reference.


Poor baby. Resent getting to be an OF? [pushing 50, nursie, quit
pretending to be under 30...get a toupee and get those teeth fixed]


Do you think it's OK to tell someone else in a newsgroup to "shut up", Len?


Obviously he does. He does it frequently. Usually when he's got his

tail
caught under yet another rocking chair, which is pretty frequently these
days!


Riiiiight. The OF diss-and-cusser wants to more of the same
because his license (engraved border, suitable for framing)
says it is "okay" for him to diss-and-cuss since he passed a
test! :-)


The ROE of this newsgroup is:

1. Any kind of language or lack of civility by any morse code
proponent is perfectly acceptible, even encouraged.


No it isn't.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...VERY true by easily observed examples. :-)

For years. :-)

KH2D was a master at that. Learn from the master, grasshopper.

No more or no less than the use of blatant profanity by allegedly college
educated, "professional" engineers who are "against" Morse Code.


Well, heck and darn, gotta cut down on all those profane words
like "eliminate the morse code test," certainly those terrible
four-letter words like "code" and "test." :-)

Some sissies in here get into hissy-fits with strong language!

2. Anything said by anyone who does not love, honor, cherish
morse code is to be denigrated, insulted, vilified, and looked
at nasty just because of what they think.


Not at all.


No more or less than the insistence by certain alleged "professionals"
that Amateurs show awe and reverence to them as our "superiors"...Recent
suggestions by one of those alleged professionals that some in this forum are
"jealous" or otherwise despise them for BEING an (alleged) engineer is a
prime example.


Awe shucks, Maude, sissie inna hissy-fit again, him
laffin' an' carryin' on about superior intellect or somthin'...

tsk, tsk, tsk...

All of those sub-
humans must always behave civilly and show respect for the
code lovers even if the code lovers are behaving as iceholes.

That pretty well sums it up.

Really?


Again with the inference of profanity.

Some professional.


"Icehole" is profane? Nursie insulting Minnesotans' big winter
sport locations? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Well, maybe I should have split it into two words?

Ya know, like "Nursie is an ice hole."

Sound better?


Rev. Jimmie, go back to Google where you live...

WHO is "Rev. Jimmie", Len?


Sheeesh, Jim...You don't expect Lennie will ever live up to his own
rhetoric and treat others in the same way he demands that HE be
treated...even when you ARE treating him the way he expects...?!?!


Yup, Maude, sissie still got the hissy-fits...

Almost seven years now and I STILL have yet to see him do as he
professes or what he says he will do.


Well, I admit that trying to change the FCC's mind on eliminating
the morse code test from U.S. amateur radio licensing IS a
long, hard task. Been at that since 1988. Sooner or later, that
WILL happen... :-)

Yes, I did officially retire in 1997 and I AM enjoying that, as I
said I would. :-)

This project of inventing anti-gravity IS VERY DIFFICULT.
Not going at all as good as I expected. Something is holding
me down...

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD


Len Over 21 June 20th 04 11:19 PM

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,


(N2EY) writes:

In article ,


(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,

(N2EY) writes:


Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-)

Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in
service.


Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air"
assault? :-)


Nope.

On the basis of a whole pattern of your errors, I point them out. ;-)


Sounds like nursie after the remedial English classes.

"WHOLE *PATTERN* OF ERRORS!!!"

:-)

Billions and billions served? Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Rev. Jimmie Who mounts the antenna and transmits a Sermon.

Meanwhile, I thought this thread to be about Phonetic Alphabets.

Must be the "new" English.

It's really about some angry extra trying to get even for losing
arguments in here years ago.

Yawn.

Rev. Jimmie Who is very predictable in that he WILL bring up
old arguments time and again.

We readers aren't sure exactly WHAT will be brought up and
WHEN...and that lends a bit of suspense to the proceedings.

Okay, so Rev. Jimmie Who says this thread is "not" about
phonetic alphabets.

In that case, "Able Baker Charlie" (in the subject field) must
be about some skilled baker with the given name of Charles.

THAT doesn't have much to do with amateur radio, let alone
amateur radio policy, does it?

Rev. Jimmie Who, you are becoming more cryptic every
day.

Reminder: FCC sayeth amateur communications must not
contain encryption or anything intended to obscure meanings.

The 'mean' of "meanings" is obscured, but still visible.

So...tell us about YOUR days in military communications?

Or civilian communications (other than amateur)?

LHA / WMD

Brian Kelly June 21st 04 12:23 AM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.


They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.



So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.


Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.


Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took
didn't ya? Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh?
Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS. No
such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified
snapshots and I never claimed otherwise.

I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department
of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was
aboard. The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge
work for me for cheap.
Steerage dwellers.


Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy.


End of.

w3rv

William June 21st 04 12:53 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.


As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft some
witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts, Lennie!


"Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you?

Bon apetit and temper fry...


Seems I am not the one with an appetite problem, Lennie.


Have you seen a doctor about your problem, puppetnursie?


He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if
the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to
pretend they're thin when they're not.

Or do you do your own diagnoses, like practicing medicine
without the legal license? [a big no-no in most states]


He no do nuttin illegal. He one squared away marine. All his stuff
in one sock.

Get some mental therapy, puppetnursie. That would help all
those around you...if not yourself...


He no care 'bout others.

Sociopathy CAN be cured.


I'll bet this case cannot.

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 01:54 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged

operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his

stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."

100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.



Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP.


Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed.


Congenital. Like Hillary


Hillary never lied? :-)


That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes.

"My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..."

Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI."

(NCI = No Content Indicator)


"I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty
cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-)


I think he played a bit part in "Small Soldiers."


I didn't see that one.

Did he do the biting or was he the one that got bit?

:-)

"I will beep my key in a military manner, keeping always on the
alert for the NCI, dissing and cussing those within sight and
hearing." - General Order #1 of the PCTA sentinels.

Some suggested phonetics for code-aholics for use in speech
since they don't seem to do much of that and may need an aid
in getting through - obviously picked for those in favor of morris
goad who like to Jerk around the NCTA about how Able and
Brave the Code men are and how Code is Dandy, Easy, Fast,
Great, a Hymn to all who hear it while they Insist, like Jerks
that Code is King and all must Love Morse because it is
Nifty and all Obey Morse with a Passion. We can Quote
them on Morse being Rapid, Safe, Tough, Uniting all of
the Morse Vice who must Win.

Able Brave Code Dandy Easy Fast Great
Hymn Insist Jerk King Love Morse Nifty Obey
Passion Quote Rapid Safe Tough Unite Vice
Win Xcellent* Yummy Zero

* had trouble there due to too few X words available...:-)

Dit dit

LHA / WMD


N2EY June 21st 04 02:59 AM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.


They did? Everywhere?


Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?


And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.


That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some spoofing
and such.

However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission - or
the same resources.

So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.


Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it
or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.


Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took
didn't ya?


Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the
subject.

Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh?


Oyez.

Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS.


Bad pun of "navel" noted.

No
such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified
snapshots and I never claimed otherwise.


That's true!

I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department
of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was
aboard.


Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge.

The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge
work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers.

Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy.


End of.

roger that!

73 de Jim, N2EY

William June 21st 04 03:25 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/19/2004 10:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].


You made this up, right?


No, nursie, Brian is correct.

The U.S. government stopped amateur radio transmissions
during WW2. Really. It was in all the ham magazines and
everything. Didn't you see it?


Saw it in a magazine. It could have even been a defunct magazine.

More over, do you BELIEVE what you wrote? I ask because there is more
than a small amount of evidence to the contrary.


I don't think Brian is old enough to be alive during WW2, but
I was and I believe the U.S. government shut down amateur
radio transmitting during WW2.

Even the ARRL acknowledges that. Really!


Just like R.R.A.P. isn't Ham Radio, whatever those guys were doing
during WWII wasn't Ham Radio.

But there are some very confused folks here who think that "MARS
IS Amateur Radio," so I guess they might also think that

"Military Radio IS Amateur Radio."

Who really knows what they think. It's mostly incoherent, irrational
yelling.

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.


Kinda like "Unlicensed devices play a major role in "emergency
comms"...?!?!


No, more like "CW gets through when nothing else will..."


Actually, CW gets through when everything else will.

Or, that morse testing has to continue for "traditional"
reasons (and because olde-tyme hammes are pished
out and insist all newcomers have to "work as hard" as
they did...because).


An anachronism.

It might also be about 26 patents when only 1 exists or
shooting bears from an aircraft carrier or some Chesty
Puller wanna-be saying "I was in seven hostile actions"
and never revealing the When or Where of those. It could
also be those old-tyme hammes who made big noises
about "I design and build my own ham radios" who, a few
days later would talk a lot about his latest Kit project.


I've never seen orders for the seven hostile actions. They must not
have actually occurred. I've never seen the schematics for the home
designed (by a PE) amateur radio station. Perhaps they don't exist.
Perhaps they do.

Of course, those same individuals have to misdirect a thread
into their oh-so-very-important-personal-battles in order to
diss-and-cuss those of opposite opinions.


One in particular.

This thread started out about Phonetic Alphabets. The "Able,
Baker, Charlie..." U.S. phonetic alphabet is familiar to me
because I learned it and used it in the U.S. Army. That set
was replaced by the NATO phonetic alphabet ("Alpha, Bravo..")
adopted in 1955. I am familiar with that since I was IN the
U.S. Army at that time, learned it and used it in military
communications. That's unalterable fact despite what those
weren't born then or mere infants at the time say.


Strange coincidence. I learned it in the U.S. military also.

The NATO phonetic alphabet was adopted by the International
Civil Aviation Organization shortly after the U.S. military adopted
it. Some in here want to argue and argue that phonetic alphabet
is called the "ICAO phonetic alphabet." That's rather petty.
NATO had it first. That's unalterable fact. All the aggressive
argumentation going on in here seems to be little more than a
disguise to diss-and-cuss certain personalities, certainly not
the subject matter.

LHA / WMD


No Content in all of that agressive argumentation.

William June 21st 04 03:36 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Alun
writes:

Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those
of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past
oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when
they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake.

For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or
building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point
in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with
permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it
approved for DXCC.


Alun, if there be some etymology of that thread, no "DXCC" was
involved. No contesting at all was involved.

It began when Heil made some chance remark about "working
Frenchmen on 6m out of band." Brian Burke tossed that one
back to him with some mild ascerbicity which caused Heil to
go bananas. Nursie got out his rusty bayonet, locked and
loaded, and made like the Charge of Lite Brigade (which led
into the Valley of Death of his of today).

Nursie never got to Somalia, certainly not to any "hostile action"
there (or anyplace else with any proof) but Brian Burke did.
Brian earlier had made a chance remark about operating from
there on ham frequencies, getting permission from his
commanding officer. That resulted in a long, overdrawn word
battle and flame war with Heil who was resentful (to the max)
of anyone having the temerity to toss him a rejoinder. Nursie
jumped in on that with usual diss-and-cuss, trying to make
like a legal eagle with smarts instead of the hummingbird
with dumbth.

The PCTA of this newsgrope all seem to be self-righteous,
prissy puritans of perfection who will explode with outrage at
the slightest provocation of their beloved manual telegraphy
as being anything less than the ultimate skill of amateurs.

It's almost as Henry Ford put it on the color of the Model T:
"You can have any opinion you want, so long as its pro-
code."

That's the "new" freedom of speech in here. Enjoy.



I got back from a week of aerial operations, drove by the storage
unit, and checked that the lock wasn't jimmied ("jimmied" is a common
use for B/E, not a slam against the Rev. Jim).

My T5 logs are safe and secure. One day they may have real historical
value. I could divide them up and run some through Christie's and the
others through Sothby's. Maybe I'll just make a run of numbered
copies, suitable for framing.

William June 21st 04 03:44 AM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 21:08:55 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/15/2004 3:58 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the
claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.


I have no doubt that he knows just where they are!


Then what's the problem?


First Steve says that he is going to insist that I lost my logs, then
he says that he has no doubt that I know where they are.

Somewhere in there is a deliberate falsehood.

Probably all of it.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another.


Maybe...maybe not.


And the problem with that is?

73 de Jim, N2EY


The problem is that Steve demands evidence, but has no right to demand
anything. I have no need or desire to comply, and that infuriates the
ex-Marine. I recommend stress management for him before that bulging
artery in his neck explodes.

William June 21st 04 03:47 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.


As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft some
witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts, Lennie!


"Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you?


Wait till that bulging artery in his neck explodes. Wonder what the
temper management people would recommend?

Brian Kelly June 21st 04 04:31 AM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?


Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m
FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via
the local repeater in PJ7.


Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite credible,
even with a very makeshift station.


Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.


*if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true?

And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked
T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the
alleged operation.


73 de Jim, N2EY


w3rv

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 05:14 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.

As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft

some
witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts,

Lennie!

"Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you?

Bon apetit and temper fry...

Seems I am not the one with an appetite problem, Lennie.


Have you seen a doctor about your problem, puppetnursie?


He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if
the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to
pretend they're thin when they're not.


Not to worry. CAP pays for all that avgas. They just load
an extra hundred pounds of avgas for the heavier payload.


Or do you do your own diagnoses, like practicing medicine
without the legal license? [a big no-no in most states]


He no do nuttin illegal. He one squared away marine. All his stuff
in one sock.

Get some mental therapy, puppetnursie. That would help all
those around you...if not yourself...


He no care 'bout others.


I disagree. He has to keep all those personalities in order.
Must be quite a coordination session every day in there...


Sociopathy CAN be cured.


I'll bet this case cannot.


I'm optimistic normally, but you may be right...

LHA / WMD

Avery Fineman June 21st 04 05:19 AM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.


They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.


"Abiding?!?" Crock.

Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S. Army.

One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications.

Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is
"effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept
analysts. For LISTENING.

The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts,
ELINT.

The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio]

The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army.
The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center
doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending.

Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the
rest of the world in this new millennium.

Good luck on that one, now...

LHA / WMD

Steve Robeson, K4CAP June 21st 04 09:41 AM

(William) wrote in message . com...

He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if
the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to
pretend they're thin when they're not.


Wanna see what the "puffy" is, Brain?

Care to join me in the gym? Three mile run? Five? I'll make
you the same offer I did your scumbag friend and will add a rucksack
with some extra weight in it. Or you could make me REAL happy and
join me for a few minutes in the ring...(please! please!)

73

Steve, K4YZ

N2EY June 21st 04 11:57 AM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Three mile run? Five?


If you ever get up to these parts, Steve, we can do that.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY June 21st 04 11:57 AM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?


Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m
FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via
the local repeater in PJ7.


Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and

at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite

credible,
even with a very makeshift station.


Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.


Absolutely.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.


There seems to be some dispute as to what level in the military command
structure can authorize amateur operation, and what level of paperwork is
necessary.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.


Absolutely agree.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.

How do we know this for sure?

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation.


Again - how do we *know* that the required authorization wasn't obtained?

I agree 100% that if such authority wasn't obtained, it wasn't an amateur
operation at all.

In any event, the claimed operation allegedly took place on 10 meters and
allegedly involved at least two QSOs.

It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.


The thing I find interesting is the last paragraph of my post, below. *Nobody*
is claiming to have worked T5/N0IMD, nor complaining about not getting a QSL
card. In DX circles, that kinda says it all.

*if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true?

And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked
T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the
alleged operation.


73 de Jim, N2EY

I want to be slim, but I don't want to be a slim.


Brian Kelly June 21st 04 02:22 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.


They did? Everywhere?


Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?


And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.


That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some spoofing
and such.


Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that
Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since
9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So
yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the
use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise.

However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission - or
the same resources.


Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.


Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it
or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.


Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took
didn't ya?


Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the
subject.

Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh?


Oyez.

Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS.


Bad pun of "navel" noted.


Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he
consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post.

No
such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified
snapshots and I never claimed otherwise.


That's true!


Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event,
bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo
processing kiosk after those flybys.


I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department
of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was
aboard.


Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge.


Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian
professionals were treated as officers and were expected to
reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both
the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's
mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I
logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his
office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do.

The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge
work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers.

Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy.


End of.

roger that!

73 de Jim, N2EY


w3rv

Steve Robeson K4CAP June 21st 04 02:34 PM

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Avery Fineman)
Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications.


Yes, they do.

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP June 21st 04 03:42 PM

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/21/2004 5:57 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Three mile run? Five?


If you ever get up to these parts, Steve, we can do that.


You're on!

=)

73

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP June 21st 04 03:49 PM

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/20/2004 5:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without
presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could
verify his general claims.


The Veterans Administration is NOT "proof enough" form you, Scummy One?

"No Proof = Didn't Happen."


The proof is in the phone call, Lennie.

You haven't made it.

Makes you look pretty stupid with that last claim.

Steve, K4YZ






William June 21st 04 04:31 PM

(Avery Fineman) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...


and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.

They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?


And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.


"Abiding?!?" Crock.

Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S. Army.

One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications.

Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is
"effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept
analysts. For LISTENING.

The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts,
ELINT.

The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio]

The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army.
The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center
doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending.

Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the
rest of the world in this new millennium.

Good luck on that one, now...

LHA / WMD


Even the FCC and VEC's quit administering a Morse sending test. They
only administered a receiving test.

Hmmmmm?

Maybe the sending test would have been a disincentive to CW use on HF.

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/20/2004 5:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without
presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could
verify his general claims.


The Veterans Administration is NOT "proof enough" form you, Scummy One?


No. Copies from NARA of nursie's "jacket" would do it.

"No Proof = Didn't Happen."


The proof is in the phone call, Lennie.

You haven't made it.


Don't have to. Military records of service are at NARA, not with
the VA. VA will use NARA.

[National Archives and Records Administration, St.Louis]

Complete information is at NARA. That would show the when
and where of "hostile actions." That would show MOS and
where served. It's all there.

Makes you look pretty stupid with that last claim.


Not at all. I know where the military service records are kept.
I also know what establishes and defines MARS, posted that
in here. Nursie didn't post that. Nursie still wanna claim:

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!"

Nursie has mental constipation problems (in addition to other
mental problems). Nursie need help.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/21/2004 5:57 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Three mile run? Five?


If you ever get up to these parts, Steve, we can do that.


You're on!


Oh, my! Will you have CNN and Fox News videotaping the Event?

Will the AR Newsletter publicize it?

Maybe it will make the "In Brief" section of the ARRL webpage.

Just think...fame, immortality, adulation, praise, maybe a
special medal for valor for another "hostile action!"

All about "amateur radio policy." Riiiiiight.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?


Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m


FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via


the local repeater in PJ7.

Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters,

and
at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite

credible,
even with a very makeshift station.


Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.


Absolutely.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.


There seems to be some dispute as to what level in the military command
structure can authorize amateur operation, and what level of paperwork is
necessary.


You two Veterans of the military can establish that, can't you?

After all, another PCTA has flattly stated "MARS IS amateur
radio."

Since MARS is rather obviously military, defined by DoD and not
the FCC, then it is a simple extension of such knowledge to
say that military communications is also amateur. :-)

Next time you two dine at the Captain's Table, bring it up.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.


Absolutely agree.


PCTA extras always agree.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.

How do we know this for sure?


Kelly said so, therefore it be TRVTH!

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation.


Again - how do we *know* that the required authorization wasn't obtained?


If Kelly say it be "freebanding or pirate," it BE so.

I agree 100% that if such authority wasn't obtained, it wasn't an amateur
operation at all.


"MARS is amateur radio." :-)

In any event, the claimed operation allegedly took place on 10 meters and
allegedly involved at least two QSOs.


Rev. Jimmie Who should write a big book expose' of this whole
thing.

It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.


The thing I find interesting is the last paragraph of my post, below. *Nobody*
is claiming to have worked T5/N0IMD, nor complaining about not getting a QSL
card. In DX circles, that kinda says it all.


Right. You two military veterans ought to go to the VA for help,
expose all that "illegal freebanding and piracy," even filing
charges with the USAF Judge Advocate General's office!

*if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true?

And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked
T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the
alleged operation.


73 de Jim, N2EY

I want to be slim, but I don't want to be a slim.


You are PCTA, hear you ROAR!

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...

He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if
the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to
pretend they're thin when they're not.


Wanna see what the "puffy" is, Brain?


It's on the QRZ site. Anyone can see it...

Care to join me in the gym? Three mile run? Five? I'll make
you the same offer I did your scumbag friend and will add a rucksack
with some extra weight in it. Or you could make me REAL happy and
join me for a few minutes in the ring...(please! please!)


Oooooo....macho emotional RAGE! Physical competition!!!

Blatant physical challenge of FIGHTING prowess!!!

All imporant attributes for radio amateurs? Or radio amateur
policy? I think not.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Need for some approved (prescribed by a REAL
MD) tranquilizer or other calming drug seems warranted.

Let's see...modern fighting tools (since at least 1700s) allow
"just a few ounces of finger pressure" to allow reaching out
and touching someone supersonically. No need for physical
confrontation up close and personal. [wonder who mentioned
"just a few ounces of pressure?" :-) ]

All that proves that nursie don't wanna do anything but FIGHT
in here. [sic...and sick]

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD



Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.

As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft

some
witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts,

Lennie!

"Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you?


Wait till that bulging artery in his neck explodes. Wonder what the
temper management people would recommend?


Recommendation: "Duck and cover!" :-)

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?


Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m
FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via
the local repeater in PJ7.


Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and

at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite

credible,
even with a very makeshift station.


Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.


Kelly NEVER served in the armed forces of the United States.

Kelly does NOT understand the military chain of command.

Permission to do anything IN the military is granted by ranking
officers.

Didn't Kelly hear that at the Captain's Table while dining with
all that rank? No? Tsk, tsk.

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.


Amazing at the range and scope of rationalization for HATING
another newsgroup poster by the high-society ham extras.

Kelly should explain his "superiority" in not only radio but relative
to the rest of society. [Kelly is "superior" only because he claims
that while busy inflating past claims to a greatness never before
seen by hamkind]

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.


Kelly has taken on a new role...that of International Regulator
And Punisher of anything an NCTA says.

Yawn.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.


Kelly is allowed to inflate his single patent to 26. Kelly is PCTA.
[proof is with the U.S. Patent Office and several patent websites,
showing only one...and that one as co-inventor]]

Kelli is allowed to shoot bears from an aircraft carrier. Kelly is
PCTA. [there is no proof of this but Kelly will damn anyone who
disputes it]

Kelly claims knowledge of WW2 military vehicles and their radios
as absolute truths. Kelly is PCTA. [proof is in many places,
including old documents of the U.S. military disputing that]

Kelly has repeatedly damned others opposing his fish stories.
Kelly is PCTA. That is approved under the ROE of this news-
group trying to be dominated by PCTA.

They are PCTA, hear them ROAR! :-)

LHA / WMD


Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Alun
writes:

Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those
of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past


oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when
they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake.

For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or
building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the

point
in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with
permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it
approved for DXCC.


Alun, if there be some etymology of that thread, no "DXCC" was
involved. No contesting at all was involved.

It began when Heil made some chance remark about "working
Frenchmen on 6m out of band." Brian Burke tossed that one
back to him with some mild ascerbicity which caused Heil to
go bananas. Nursie got out his rusty bayonet, locked and
loaded, and made like the Charge of Lite Brigade (which led
into the Valley of Death of his of today).

Nursie never got to Somalia, certainly not to any "hostile action"
there (or anyplace else with any proof) but Brian Burke did.
Brian earlier had made a chance remark about operating from
there on ham frequencies, getting permission from his
commanding officer. That resulted in a long, overdrawn word
battle and flame war with Heil who was resentful (to the max)
of anyone having the temerity to toss him a rejoinder. Nursie
jumped in on that with usual diss-and-cuss, trying to make
like a legal eagle with smarts instead of the hummingbird
with dumbth.

The PCTA of this newsgrope all seem to be self-righteous,
prissy puritans of perfection who will explode with outrage at
the slightest provocation of their beloved manual telegraphy
as being anything less than the ultimate skill of amateurs.

It's almost as Henry Ford put it on the color of the Model T:
"You can have any opinion you want, so long as its pro-
code."

That's the "new" freedom of speech in here. Enjoy.



I got back from a week of aerial operations, drove by the storage
unit, and checked that the lock wasn't jimmied ("jimmied" is a common
use for B/E, not a slam against the Rev. Jim).

My T5 logs are safe and secure. One day they may have real historical
value. I could divide them up and run some through Christie's and the
others through Sothby's. Maybe I'll just make a run of numbered
copies, suitable for framing.


A press run would be a non-good idea. That would start another
spate of Book Burning by the PCTA in general, sponsored by
the enemies of fantasy.

Some overweight stubbly-faced documentary film maker would
get publicity for his expose of Somalia, that it "never happened."
["Moore to come" as Variety put it...]

Denial of reality is the stock in trade of the olde-tyme hammes
who love, honor, and obey morsemanship. Everyone who speaks
against them "LIE!" :-)

LHA / WMD



Len Over 21 June 21st 04 10:41 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/19/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From:
(William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his

stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."


100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.


That you may have sent out "QSL" cards is not at issue. That you sent
out
QSL cards confirming your activites from Somalia are.

What IS at issue is the validity of the operation (it wasn't) and whom
you
may have had QSO's with (you refuse to state).

So far, you've not provided us with anything more than a claim that you
operated from Somalia.

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in THIS
forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you allege to
ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.


Show us your "Proof" that manual telegraphy is still used for
U.S. military communications. NOW. Today. Confirm your
claim of another posting.

You have not yet proven that "MARS IS amateur radio."
Despite the real, true Proof established by DoD Directive
4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03).

The rest of the world lives in reality, not the fantasy imagination
of "The Last Hostile Action Hero."

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD


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