In article ,
(William) writes:

(Avery Fineman) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.

They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?

And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.

"Abiding?!?" Crock.

Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S. Army.

One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications.

Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is
"effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept
analysts. For LISTENING.

The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts,
ELINT.

The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio]

The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army.
The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center
doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending.

Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the
rest of the world in this new millennium.

Good luck on that one, now...

LHA / WMD

Even the FCC and VEC's quit administering a Morse sending test. They
only administered a receiving test.

Hmmmmm?

Maybe the sending test would have been a disincentive to CW use on HF.

There must be some mental block induced by too much
morsemanship. The morsemen can't understand reality.

Or, they are so immersed in their only radio service active
in morsemenship that they are totally blind to all other radio
services. Might be a good project for some PhD candidate in
psychology as a Dissertation.

Time has stopped for the morsemen. They continue to live in
the past, imagining glories lives of navel high society, "hostile
actions," mighty titles of importance, all from morsemanship
credentialism.

Back some 49 years ago, NATO released their phonetic
alphabet. Phonetic alphabets are of no use for manual
telegraphy...apply only to voice communications. Just the
same, the morsemen keep insisting everyone still uses "CW"
(manual on-off carrier keying telegraphy) for military
communications.

Their minds are warped, living in fantasies of their own beeping.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Avery Fineman)
Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications.

Yes, they do.

NO. They once did. No more.

Establish your PROOF before you blither out nonsense like that.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Temper fry.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.

They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?

And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.

That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some
spoofing
and such.

Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that
Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since
9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So
yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the
use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise.

Kelly, unable to admit what is happening since his bear-shooting
days as King of the Katapults, manufactures "knowing analyses"
of terrorists.

Kelly the putz-caller seems to forget a well-publicized video bite
of Osama bin Laden rather obviously using a hand-held transceiver
in earlier days. No code key was evident in that video bite seen
on major networks.

Kelly has NO information on "ramping up" on-off keying codes by
the U.S. government or anyone else. The Military Intelligence
School at Fort Huachuca has been active for years. All U.S.
government agencies involved in any way use that M.I. Center,
including those few needing any sort of skills with on-off codings
such as morse. That as an economic consideration, not any sort
of technical reason or alleged "importance of morse."

Reference: Fort Huachuca public affairs office.

However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission -
or
the same resources.

Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

Why not?

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" True or not true?

From someone "shooting bears for naval intelligence" and bragging
about "dining with the [aircraft carrier] captain," that sounds hollow.

So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.

Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like
it
or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see -
and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.

Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took
didn't ya?

Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the
subject.

Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh?

Oyez.

Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS.

Bad pun of "navel" noted.

Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he
consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post.

I have no problem being "adult" - even around children and the
immature. :-)

When I find some PCTA who are not children in here, I might alter
posting style.

No
such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified
snapshots and I never claimed otherwise.

That's true!

Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event,
bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo
processing kiosk after those flybys.

More "tales of the South Pacific?" :-)

I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department
of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was
aboard.

Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge.

Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian
professionals were treated as officers and were expected to
reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both
the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's
mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I
logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his
office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do.

Good ol' crusty chiefs. :-)

So, the dinner table talk was all about ham radio, morse, and
establishing valid QSLs for DXCC? :-)

Or did the talk involve ANY radio communications?

The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge
work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers.

Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy.

End of.

roger that!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Another installment of "Tales of The South Pacific" by the ancient
mariner-guest king of the katapults schmoosing with captains of
aircraft carriers. Real involvement with amateur radio! Not...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/19/2004 10:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].

You made this up, right?

No, nursie, Brian is correct.

The U.S. government stopped amateur radio transmissions
during WW2. Really. It was in all the ham magazines and
everything. Didn't you see it?

Saw it in a magazine. It could have even been a defunct magazine.

Nursie apparently didn't see it. No one sent him documented
proof, notarized. Everyone is LYING to nursie! Conspiracy!

More over, do you BELIEVE what you wrote? I ask because there is more
than a small amount of evidence to the contrary.

I don't think Brian is old enough to be alive during WW2, but
I was and I believe the U.S. government shut down amateur
radio transmitting during WW2.

Even the ARRL acknowledges that. Really!

Just like R.R.A.P. isn't Ham Radio, whatever those guys were doing
during WWII wasn't Ham Radio.

Their "spirits" were fully into it, busy beating the Huns and Japs
through mighty blows of their hand keys, air-dropping QSLs on
their homelands, fighting for truth, justice, mom's apple pie and
the glory of the League.

But there are some very confused folks here who think that "MARS
IS Amateur Radio," so I guess they might also think that
"Military Radio IS Amateur Radio."

Who really knows what they think. It's mostly incoherent, irrational
yelling.

They are Extras, hear them Roar! :-)

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.

Kinda like "Unlicensed devices play a major role in "emergency
comms"...?!?!

No, more like "CW gets through when nothing else will..."

Actually, CW gets through when everything else will.

True enough, but the codeaholic says otherwise, that morse beats
all other modes, past or future. Compulsive morseodist behavior.

Or, that morse testing has to continue for "traditional"
reasons (and because olde-tyme hammes are pished
out and insist all newcomers have to "work as hard" as
they did...because).

An anachronism.

Yes, but all newcomers MUST do so, to "demonstrate their
committment and dedication to all others." :-)

It might also be about 26 patents when only 1 exists or
shooting bears from an aircraft carrier or some Chesty
Puller wanna-be saying "I was in seven hostile actions"
and never revealing the When or Where of those. It could
also be those old-tyme hammes who made big noises
about "I design and build my own ham radios" who, a few
days later would talk a lot about his latest Kit project.

I've never seen orders for the seven hostile actions. They must not
have actually occurred. I've never seen the schematics for the home
designed (by a PE) amateur radio station. Perhaps they don't exist.
Perhaps they do.

Irrelevant. If nursie say so, it is so. All others "LIE!" :-)

Of course, those same individuals have to misdirect a thread
into their oh-so-very-important-personal-battles in order to
diss-and-cuss those of opposite opinions.

One in particular.

Most readers realize this. That particular writer doesn't.

This thread started out about Phonetic Alphabets. The "Able,
Baker, Charlie..." U.S. phonetic alphabet is familiar to me
because I learned it and used it in the U.S. Army. That set
was replaced by the NATO phonetic alphabet ("Alpha, Bravo..")
adopted in 1955. I am familiar with that since I was IN the
U.S. Army at that time, learned it and used it in military
communications. That's unalterable fact despite what those
weren't born then or mere infants at the time say.

Strange coincidence. I learned it in the U.S. military also.

Amazine coincidence, isn't it? :-)

The NATO phonetic alphabet was adopted by the International
Civil Aviation Organization shortly after the U.S. military adopted
it. Some in here want to argue and argue that phonetic alphabet
is called the "ICAO phonetic alphabet." That's rather petty.
NATO had it first. That's unalterable fact. All the aggressive
argumentation going on in here seems to be little more than a
disguise to diss-and-cuss certain personalities, certainly not
the subject matter.

LHA / WMD

No Content in all of that agressive argumentation.

"No Content International" - the opponent group of the PCTA against
No Code International.

Beep beep uber alles.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.

As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to
draft
some
witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts,
Lennie!

"Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you?

Bon apetit and temper fry...

Seems I am not the one with an appetite problem, Lennie.

Have you seen a doctor about your problem, puppetnursie?

He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if
the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to
pretend they're thin when they're not.

Not to worry. CAP pays for all that avgas. They just load
an extra hundred pounds of avgas for the heavier payload.

They need to consult with a loadmaster on where he sould be seated on
the plane. We don't want a military jet to crab, yaw, and roll
because of a puffy load.

Too much crab and roll input can make one puffy.

By saying "yaw" to more intake, it gets worse!

Or do you do your own diagnoses, like practicing medicine
without the legal license? [a big no-no in most states]

He no do nuttin illegal. He one squared away marine. All his stuff
in one sock.

Get some mental therapy, puppetnursie. That would help all
those around you...if not yourself...

He no care 'bout others.

I disagree. He has to keep all those personalities in order.
Must be quite a coordination session every day in there...

No doubt he rules them with an iron fist. He's got a lot of trouble
makers in there.

Too bad Fox News can't get in there and show it live.

Would be a fun show. Like the old Destruction Derby!

Sociopathy CAN be cured.

I'll bet this case cannot.

I'm optimistic normally, but you may be right...

LHA / WMD

I'd hate to be right this once.

Luck of the draw. Sometimes you win!

LHA / WMD

In article , Alun
writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in
:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Avery Fineman) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.

They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between
ships?

And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.

"Abiding?!?" Crock.

Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S.
Army.

One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications.

Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is
"effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept
analysts. For LISTENING.

The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts,
ELINT.

The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio]

The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army.
The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center
doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending.

Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the
rest of the world in this new millennium.

Good luck on that one, now...

LHA / WMD

Even the FCC and VEC's quit administering a Morse sending test. They
only administered a receiving test.

Hmmmmm?

Maybe the sending test would have been a disincentive to CW use on HF.

There must be some mental block induced by too much
morsemanship. The morsemen can't understand reality.

Or, they are so immersed in their only radio service active
in morsemenship that they are totally blind to all other radio
services. Might be a good project for some PhD candidate in
psychology as a Dissertation.

Time has stopped for the morsemen. They continue to live in
the past, imagining glories lives of navel high society, "hostile
actions," mighty titles of importance, all from morsemanship
credentialism.

Back some 49 years ago, NATO released their phonetic
alphabet. Phonetic alphabets are of no use for manual
telegraphy...apply only to voice communications. Just the
same, the morsemen keep insisting everyone still uses "CW"
(manual on-off carrier keying telegraphy) for military
communications.

Their minds are warped, living in fantasies of their own beeping.

LHA / WMD

Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the merits or
otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has unquestionably
moved on and they have not.

It brings me in mind of the Jethro Tull song "Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll, Too
Young To Die", not just the title, but all the words. As any afficionado
knows, this of course appeared on an album entitled "Living In The Past"!
This is the ultimate anthem to clinging to youth, which we all tend to do,
even those of us who can't stand that d*mn bleeping!

Alun, wait until you attend some anniversary thing, like my
wife and I did in 2001 for the 50th Reunion of our senior high
school class in the midwest. Not only was that fun, it was an
ice-water bath on "wanting" to recapture one's youth...or, for
some others, to desperately seek to return. :-)

If you listen to/read the lyrics of the whole song, you'll see that Ian
Anderson saw it as no bad thing. What is truly pernicious, and constitutes
the difference between him and them, is that so many morsemen want to drag
others kicking and screaming into the past!

I suggested Brainwashing was responsible some time ago.

I've also said it was an extension of the human territorial
imperative - their "turf." They MUST defend turf! What they
did was so awesome, so perfect, and so hard, that all must
exactly emulate their mighty and powerful accomplishments!

Funny in a way. I described my military assignment at ADA
a half century ago - which I wouldn't care to repeat at all - and
all the beepers in here went bonkers. They screamed and
hollered, called lots of bad names, made snarly comments
about "trying to be superior, etc." when all it did for me was
to convert me from the previous opinion of radio as "belonging
to amateur style (of pre-WW2 days) as shown in ham mags"
into the reality of big-leagues HF radio communications. ADA
was only about the third largest in the Army net but it was
impressive as heck in 1953 with three dozen HF transmitters
and doing 220 thousand messages a month traffic in 1955.

The general commentary was probably based on simple
envy because only Hans Brakob in here has any comparable
military communications experience. Jim Hampton comes
close. Brian Burke was in military meteorology not
communications but the met guys need radio communications.
State Department isn't strictly military and most of the postings
of that "foreign service" person weren't to massive messaging
embassies. Since the U.S. military hasn't used manual
telegraphy for fixed-point to fixed-point communications since
1948, the PCTA got all angry and frustrated about not not
loving morsemanship or pledging allegiance to the key.
[from time to time the Armenian judges chanted and
demanded a recount...]

It got worse after my initial posting about military radio
experience. My whole career was labeled in the worst
possible light, even to one saying all I said was a "lie" and
so forth...that I "disgraced the IEEE" by existing. :-)

It even got to the point where another professional in the
industry started sneering and nastygraming about my
(actual radio) experience as a design engineer...all because
of not loving and cherishing morse...and for not following up
on "life promises (always to be kept)" which became to
bizarre for words. :-)

Now there are long, lonnng, lonnnnng posts on politics and
very one-sided emotional diatribes of presidential candidates
where all that bandwidth could have been used for the actual
subject heading (BPL) which is a direct threat to anyone who
uses HF. Not one peep (except from me and Mike Coslo) on
the subject of BPL.

I guess that Raging Against People Never Met is the whole
parcel of what this newsgrope is about...

"Alun" wrote in message
...

Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the merits
or
otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has unquestionably
moved on and they have not.


The merits of the CW mode have been presented many times and in depth.

It wasn't the "new" hams that came up with RTTY, packet, satellite, PSK31
and the many advances in ham radio communications. Instead, it was the
experienced hams. The experienced hams have moved on while the new,
inexperienced hams are too often afraid to experience the full range of ham
activities and deny themselves the ability to make judgements based on
personal experience. Too often they instead listen to other inexperienced
hams and make decisions based on incomplete and inaccurate data.

It was not the new hams that I heard last fall several days after the major
flares and auroras discussing on SSB how they had to shift from PSK31 to CW
as the auroral activity was causing terrible phase shifts in the PSK31 and
how they had to wait to establish SSB communications until the effects of
the flares had passed.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On 20 Jun 2004 16:23:08 -0700, (Brian Kelly) wrote:

And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest?

I don't know whether they're teaching CW courses there or not, but I
suspect you're referring to Fort Huachuca, in Arizona, which is
headquarters for Army Intelligence training.

Spelling it is admittedly a bitch. I had to double-check to make sure
I had it right, and I worked 'em during the Armed Forces Day
cross-band MARS/Amateur activity a few years back (Fort Huachuca is
also Western Area Gateway for Army MARS).

73 DE John D. Kasupski
Tonawanda, New York, USA
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS)
Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
:


"Alun" wrote in message
...

Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the
merits or otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has
unquestionably moved on and they have not.


The merits of the CW mode have been presented many times and in depth.

It wasn't the "new" hams that came up with RTTY, packet, satellite,
PSK31 and the many advances in ham radio communications. Instead, it
was the experienced hams. The experienced hams have moved on while the
new, inexperienced hams are too often afraid to experience the full
range of ham activities and deny themselves the ability to make
judgements based on personal experience. Too often they instead listen
to other inexperienced hams and make decisions based on incomplete and
inaccurate data.

It was not the new hams that I heard last fall several days after the
major flares and auroras discussing on SSB how they had to shift from
PSK31 to CW as the auroral activity was causing terrible phase shifts
in the PSK31 and how they had to wait to establish SSB communications
until the effects of the flares had passed.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



We have indeed debated the relative merits many times. I could make a case
for other modes, but it isn't the issue. Nor is experience the issue here.
If it were it would degenerate into analysing different kinds of
experience. This in turn is entirely self-defeating, as usually only those
who actually like CW have a lot of experience in using it. OTOH, I have
held a ham licence for 24 years, which is a significant amount of time, but
of course without using CW it doesn't count :-)

The issue is living in the past, harmless and perhaps even admirable in
itself, but not something to force upon others if one has a proper sense of
decency. Morse is an antiquarian mode, dropped by every other service. It
does indeed have advantages, but then so does spark, and so does joining
two tin cans with a piece of string. Any self-respecting debater could make
a good case for standing on hilltops waving semaphore flags.

In my musical analogy the aging rocker in the song 'wore his trouser cuffs
too tight', but he didn't say we all have to dress that way. The 'morse
forever' crew are effectively saying we all have to 'wear our trouser cuffs
too tight' in the style of long ago. Ultimately, it's just an extremely
silly point of view. However, if it weren't so deeply held we wouldn't be
arguing about it. Unfortunately, it seems likely only to fade away along
with those who beleieve in it.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

In article , Alun
writes:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
:

"Alun" wrote in message
...

Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the
merits or otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has
unquestionably moved on and they have not.


The merits of the CW mode have been presented many times and in depth.

It wasn't the "new" hams that came up with RTTY, packet, satellite,
PSK31 and the many advances in ham radio communications. Instead, it
was the experienced hams. The experienced hams have moved on while the
new, inexperienced hams are too often afraid to experience the full
range of ham activities and deny themselves the ability to make
judgements based on personal experience. Too often they instead listen
to other inexperienced hams and make decisions based on incomplete and
inaccurate data.

It was not the new hams that I heard last fall several days after the
major flares and auroras discussing on SSB how they had to shift from
PSK31 to CW as the auroral activity was causing terrible phase shifts
in the PSK31 and how they had to wait to establish SSB communications
until the effects of the flares had passed.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

We have indeed debated the relative merits many times. I could make a case
for other modes, but it isn't the issue. Nor is experience the issue here.
If it were it would degenerate into analysing different kinds of
experience. This in turn is entirely self-defeating, as usually only those
who actually like CW have a lot of experience in using it. OTOH, I have
held a ham licence for 24 years, which is a significant amount of time, but
of course without using CW it doesn't count :-)

The issue is living in the past, harmless and perhaps even admirable in
itself, but not something to force upon others if one has a proper sense of
decency. Morse is an antiquarian mode, dropped by every other service. It
does indeed have advantages, but then so does spark, and so does joining
two tin cans with a piece of string. Any self-respecting debater could make
a good case for standing on hilltops waving semaphore flags.

Heh heh heh. The collar insignia of the U.S.Army Signal Corps
is a torch over crossed signal flags...for the visual semaphores
used before the American Civil War. Both sides used exactly
the same signalling protocols during that War...not a heckuvalot
of "communications security" then!

That high-tech, all-weather commo system called the "telegraph"
was used then, too, but both sides forbade its use for "secure"
(encrypted) messaging because "telegraph lines were too easy
to intercept!" [I kid you not]

Yeah, like with that high-tech landline morse, there were "high-
impedance taps" either side could use to bug the other side?
Anyone just listening to the sounders (with or without knowing
morse) could detect when a tap was put on a line...same
sounder types were used on both sides and putting two on the
same line made a significant change in the sounder sound.

But, the visual semaphoring, rather older than new-fangled
telegraphy, was good, familiar stuff and everyone felt warm and
fuzzy using that...in clear!

A small vignette to illustrate that older ain't necessarily better
and the first commo system (semaphore) wasn't at all the "best."

On-off keying telegraphy was the ONLY way the first radios
could be used for communications. So, on the basis of being
the "first," the morse-aholics want to force "CW" on everyone
forever and ever for "tradition sake!"

Brain-dead emotionalism!

'Scure me, I gonna call up Aurora and tell her to quit messing
around with phase-shifting all that PSK31! Not nice.

Beep, beep...

LHA / WMD

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Alun" wrote in message
.. .

Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the merits
or
otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has unquestionably
moved on and they have not.

The merits of the CW mode have been presented many times and in depth.

As well as the demerits...

It wasn't the "new" hams that came up with RTTY, packet, satellite, PSK31
and the many advances in ham radio communications. Instead, it was the
experienced hams.

Tsk, tsk. RTTY, packet, satellite, FAX, were all done by the
commercial radio services long before.

Peter Martinez, G3PLX, devised PSK31 in the UK and Yurp hams
did the trials and testings on the air. Took a while before the
"experienced hams" of the USA to try it out.

The experienced hams have moved on while the new,
inexperienced hams are too often afraid to experience the full range of ham
activities and deny themselves the ability to make judgements based on
personal experience. Too often they instead listen to other inexperienced
hams and make decisions based on incomplete and inaccurate data.

Such as that old familiar, "CW gets through when nothing else will?"

Actually, Brian Burke had it correct: "CW gets through when
everything else will."

Sunnuvagun!

It was not the new hams that I heard last fall several days after the major
flares and auroras discussing on SSB how they had to shift from PSK31 to CW
as the auroral activity was causing terrible phase shifts in the PSK31 and
how they had to wait to establish SSB communications until the effects of
the flares had passed.

Oh, that nasty old phase shift!

I guess that the shortwave radio broadcasters doing DRM (Digital
Radio Mondial) are all technically inept because they've been
doing DRM testing successfully for a bit over three years now!

Guess nobody told them about nasty old phase shifts from auroras
and stuff!

12 KHz commercial-military multi-voice-channel SSB has been
working on HF since the 1930s. Guess nobody told those many
HF sidebanders that nasty old aurora phase shift would shut
them down, ey?

Sunnuvagun! and How About That?! :-)

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/20/2004 9:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The problem is that Steve demands evidence, but has no right to demand
anything.

I have just as much right to "demand" (which I haven't done) evidence of
your claims as you have to lie in public, Brain.

I have no need or desire to comply...(SNIP)

You CAN'T comply.

And the "need", if you care to call it that, is to set your own character
straight. You don't want to do that, and that's your choice.

...and that infuriates the ex-Marine.

"Ex-Marine(s)" either have a dishonorable discharge or six feet of dirt
over their casket.

I recommend stress management for him before that bulging
artery in his neck explodes.

If the artery is bulging, it's from laughing so hard at you and Lennie
glad-handing each other back and forth, Brain.

It's a stress reliever, NOT a stress inducer!

Keep up the good work!

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/22/2004 5:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I like these new phonetic alphabets. I wonder if there's one for guys
with "real" military experience, but never who wore a uniform.

(N)itwit ZERO (I)maginary (M)ogandishu (D)x

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Avery Fineman)
Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for
radio communications.

Yes, they do.

NO. They once did. No more.

Establish your PROOF before you blither out nonsense like that.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Temper fry.

LHA / WMD

Maybe he read it in a defunct magazine or a magazine that carries
articles about a defunct mode.

With his defunct intellect I can understand it...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/22/2004 5:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I like these new phonetic alphabets. I wonder if there's one for guys
with "real" military experience, but never who wore a uniform.

(N)itwit ZERO (I)maginary (M)ogandishu (D)x

So, geographically-challenged nursie, just WHERE is this
"Mogandishu?" [hint: it isn't in Somalia]

Is that one of those places where you had "hostile action?"

Or was that a location of MARS "amateur headquarters?"

Tell us all about the geography of nursieworld...

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/20/2004 9:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The problem is that Steve demands evidence, but has no right to demand
anything.

I have just as much right to "demand" (which I haven't done) evidence of
your claims as you have to lie in public, Brain.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

That's a LIE right there, nursie...

I have no need or desire to comply...(SNIP)

You CAN'T comply.

Yes, he can.

Now, gunnery nurse, tell us the WHEN and WHERE of all those
"hostile actions" you claim you were in?

Don't forget, we are still waiting for your retraction on the claim of
"Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!"

Are you going to challenge DoD Directive 4650.2 or not?

And the "need", if you care to call it that, is to set your own character
straight. You don't want to do that, and that's your choice.

...and here's the latest score from the colliseum: 4650.2 to 1.

:-)

...and that infuriates the ex-Marine.

"Ex-Marine(s)" either have a dishonorable discharge or six feet of dirt
over their casket.

In that case, this is a day and night of the living dead...

I recommend stress management for him before that bulging
artery in his neck explodes.

If the artery is bulging, it's from laughing so hard at you and Lennie
glad-handing each other back and forth, Brain.

Poor baby. Type A behavior out of control. Still.

Probably doesn't have a sphygometer with that high a scale.

It's a stress reliever, NOT a stress inducer!

Still with the definition problem. Sort of, like, "Sorry, Hans,
MARS IS amateur radio!"

Keep up the good work!

Not a problem. As one commissioned extra once said in here,
"some messages just seem to write themselves!"

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged
operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his
stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."

100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL
card.


Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP.

Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed.

Congenital. Like Hillary

Hillary never lied? :-)

Habitually.

"Pathologically?" :-)

That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes.

"My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..."

Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI."

(NCI = No Content Indicator)

"I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty
cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-)

I think he played a bit part in "Small Soldiers."

I didn't see that one.

Animation. Toys. Like in "Buzz Light Year."

Ach! Ja! Saw the reviews.

I think more animation is needed in here. :-)

Did he do the biting or was he the one that got bit?

:-)

He always gets bit.

Might be the first time the biter gets rabies instead of the other
way around....

"I will beep my key in a military manner, keeping always on the
alert for the NCI, dissing and cussing those within sight and
hearing." - General Order #1 of the PCTA sentinels.

Sir, First General Order: "I will beep my key in a military manner,
keeping always on the alert for the NCI, dissing and cussing those
within sight and
hearing." Sir!

I have to remember (again) to add the "sir."

All them PCTA commissioned extras get all hissy-fitting if
one doesn't salute or bow in their majestic presence.

Some suggested phonetics for code-aholics for use in speech
since they don't seem to do much of that and may need an aid
in getting through - obviously picked for those in favor of morris
goad who like to Jerk around the NCTA about how Able and
Brave the Code men are and how Code is Dandy, Easy, Fast,
Great, a Hymn to all who hear it while they Insist, like Jerks
that Code is King and all must Love Morse because it is
Nifty and all Obey Morse with a Passion. We can Quote
them on Morse being Rapid, Safe, Tough, Uniting all of
the Morse Vice who must Win.

Able Brave Code Dandy Easy Fast Great
Hymn Insist Jerk King Love Morse Nifty Obey
Passion Quote Rapid Safe Tough Unite Vice
Win Xcellent* Yummy Zero

* had trouble there due to too few X words available...:-)

Dit dit

LHA / WMD

I like these new phonetic alphabets. I wonder if there's one for guys
with "real" military experience, but never who wore a uniform.

Don't know. I once talked with a heraldrist, or whatever they call
those who work on insignia, patches, etc. I don't think there's
much relation of heraldry and bible things...such as an insignia
representing a "jawbone of an ass."

That would fit, though. :-)

Or, maybe, crossed swords on a field of dreams?

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article ,

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it,
it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain
if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed
away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a
T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some
pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?


Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on
2m
FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was
with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was
via
the local repeater in PJ7.

Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters,
and
at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly
made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite
credible,
even with a very makeshift station.

Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.

Kelly NEVER served in the armed forces of the United States.

Kelly does NOT understand the military chain of command.

Permission to do anything IN the military is granted by ranking
officers.

Didn't Kelly hear that at the Captain's Table while dining with
all that rank? No? Tsk, tsk.

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.

Amazing at the range and scope of rationalization for HATING
another newsgroup poster by the high-society ham extras.

Kelly should explain his "superiority" in not only radio but relative
to the rest of society. [Kelly is "superior" only because he claims
that while busy inflating past claims to a greatness never before
seen by hamkind]

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.

Kelly has taken on a new role...that of International Regulator
And Punisher of anything an NCTA says.

Yawn.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.

Kelly is allowed to inflate his single patent to 26. Kelly is PCTA.
[proof is with the U.S. Patent Office and several patent websites,
showing only one...and that one as co-inventor]]

Kelli is allowed to shoot bears from an aircraft carrier. Kelly is
PCTA. [there is no proof of this but Kelly will damn anyone who
disputes it]

Kelly claims knowledge of WW2 military vehicles and their radios
as absolute truths. Kelly is PCTA. [proof is in many places,
including old documents of the U.S. military disputing that]

Kelly has repeatedly damned others opposing his fish stories.
Kelly is PCTA. That is approved under the ROE of this news-
group trying to be dominated by PCTA.

They are PCTA, hear them ROAR! :-)

LHA / WMD

All that and more from a guy who was so confused that he thought I was
putting up an antenna at -his- house. Yup, he's got "real" military
experience and never been in uniform. Another Walter Mitty wannabe.

But...he DID dine at the Captain's Table! :-) :-) :-)

He comes from a higher class than us "drudges!" :-)

Marie called me, offered a cake to send him. Maybe I will.

Trouble is, Marie is another snooty, emotional type. She
loses her head easily...

LHA / WMD

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/22/2004 5:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

My T5 logs are safe and secure. One day they may have real historical
value. I could divide them up and run some through Christie's and the
others through Sothby's. Maybe I'll just make a run of numbered
copies, suitable for framing.

Suitable only if they ever create a museum for falsified documents.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...

He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if
the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to
pretend they're thin when they're not.

Wanna see what the "puffy" is, Brain?

It's on the QRZ site. Anyone can see it...

He could use a Jane Fonda workout video.

Best I could do is offer a DVD of "Klute" (Jane plays "Bree Daniels"
in that one, a hooker). I can only hope that nursie takes the part
of "Tom Bannerman." :-)

[only movie buffs will get that one...:-) ]

Care to join me in the gym? Three mile run? Five? I'll make
you the same offer I did your scumbag friend and will add a rucksack
with some extra weight in it. Or you could make me REAL happy and
join me for a few minutes in the ring...(please! please!)

Oooooo....macho emotional RAGE! Physical competition!!!

Blatant physical challenge of FIGHTING prowess!!!

All imporant attributes for radio amateurs? Or radio amateur
policy? I think not.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Need for some approved (prescribed by a REAL
MD) tranquilizer or other calming drug seems warranted.

Let's see...modern fighting tools (since at least 1700s) allow
"just a few ounces of finger pressure" to allow reaching out
and touching someone supersonically. No need for physical
confrontation up close and personal. [wonder who mentioned
"just a few ounces of pressure?" :-) ]

All that proves that nursie don't wanna do anything but FIGHT
in here. [sic...and sick]

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

Did you see him begging, "(please! please!)?"

He wants me real bad.

Hmmm...I wonder what exactly for?

What's this about a "few ounces of pressure?" Backchannel stuff?

Nah. Been out in public in here twice, few months ago and a few
years ago.

Nursie wanna posture and threaten wid sojer skills, like shooting.
"A few ounces of pressure" refers to the trigger squeeze force.
Tuff macho tawk.

Poor nursie don' know I qualified expert on the range against
paper targets...paper tigers are about the same. [more dang
gun ranges out here, folks would be surprised at how strong
the NRA be in this neck of the woods]

It's kind of bad in here when these non-commissioned extras
want to turn all the "meaningful discourse" into a macho
shouting and hollering match over personal grudges. This
forum MIGHT be useful to actually talk about amateur radio,
even radio in general, and regulation issues and the like.

Nope. Idiot nursie gotta play schoolyard games accusing
all his "opponents" of "lying." Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Maybe he wants to be six years old so he can set a record
of becoming the youngest extra in the USA? :-) :-(

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/20/2004 9:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The problem is that Steve demands evidence, but has no right to demand
anything.

I have just as much right to "demand" (which I haven't done) evidence
of
your claims as you have to lie in public, Brain.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

That's a LIE right there, nursie...

I count at least three lies within just that one sentence, possibly
four if you count his intentional misspelling of my name.

Nursie might be "laughing at your intellect."

He laughs a lot about that. Too bad he's not given any evidence
of having an intellect..

I have no need or desire to comply...(SNIP)

You CAN'T comply.

Yes, he can.

Yup, all he has to do is show me some authentic credentials, and not
some shoebox full of unearned medals.

He will tell you to "call the VA!" :-)

Now, gunnery nurse, tell us the WHEN and WHERE of all those
"hostile actions" you claim you were in?

I'd rather not hear blow by blow accounts of self-abuse.

Good point. It's bad enough we have the perversity of the PCTA
wanting to bring the 1930s into the new millennium...

Don't forget, we are still waiting for your retraction on the claim of
"Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!"

I wonder if the TN State MARS Director knows that, "MARS IS
Amateur Radio?"

hi, hi.

:-)

Are you going to challenge DoD Directive 4650.2 or not?

He challenges all "statements of fact." His reputation is built on
it. Of course, I wouldn't want the reputation of being wrong most of
the time, but he doesn't seem to mind.

Well, if he had some intellect, we might be able to laugh at it.

Not much chance as it is...

And the "need", if you care to call it that, is to set your own
character
straight. You don't want to do that, and that's your choice.

...and here's the latest score from the colliseum: 4650.2 to 1.

:-)

Steve's got too many characters to set straight. 4650.2 to 1.

;^)

...and that infuriates the ex-Marine.

"Ex-Marine(s)" either have a dishonorable discharge or six feet of
dirt
over their casket.

In that case, this is a day and night of the living dead...

"Morgan, I'll get you for this!"

Mark those words... :-)

I recommend stress management for him before that bulging
artery in his neck explodes.

If the artery is bulging, it's from laughing so hard at you and
Lennie
glad-handing each other back and forth, Brain.

Poor baby. Type A behavior out of control. Still.

His bulging artery is laughing at you and me.

Hi, hi.

Is that personality #4650.3?

Battle of the Bulge, take 2...

Probably doesn't have a sphygometer with that high a scale.

Off the scale on the spasometer, too.

I'll go over to Cal Tech Seismo lab...they might have a reading
on it...

It's a stress reliever, NOT a stress inducer!

Still with the definition problem. Sort of, like, "Sorry, Hans,
MARS IS amateur radio!"

He simply doesn't know what "is" is.

That would make him a Democrat!!! Woooeee.

Keep up the good work!

Not a problem. As one commissioned extra once said in here,
"some messages just seem to write themselves!"

So they do!

I know. I feel like Dashan in China studying under a master by
this correspondence. So far I'm doing straight-As. :-)

"Dashan" is a Canadian who is fluent in colloquial Chinese and
does contract work there for Chinese government and Chinese
businesses on their national TV. Was in the national press a few
days ago. That has nothing to do with amateur radio policy, but
neither is all the political blabber about presidential candidates.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I got back from a week of aerial operations, drove by the storage
unit, and checked that the lock wasn't jimmied ("jimmied" is a common
use for B/E, not a slam against the Rev. Jim).

My T5 logs are safe and secure. One day they may have real historical
value. I could divide them up and run some through Christie's and the
others through Sothby's. Maybe I'll just make a run of numbered
copies, suitable for framing.

A press run would be a non-good idea. That would start another
spate of Book Burning by the PCTA in general, sponsored by
the enemies of fantasy.

Farenheit 911.

Ray Bradbury might sue nursie, too. :-)

Some overweight stubbly-faced documentary film maker would
get publicity for his expose of Somalia, that it "never happened."
["Moore to come" as Variety put it...]

He's gotta shave that stubble before squeezing into that CAP flight suit.

Michael Moore gonna be a CAP co-pilot?!? :-)

Denial of reality is the stock in trade of the olde-tyme hammes
who love, honor, and obey morsemanship. Everyone who speaks
against them "LIE!" :-)

Battle Cry: "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!"

I think some other idiot already used that old schoolyard taunt in
here...as an adult! Probably the Adell-pated one. :-)

Unimportant.

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/22/2004 10:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


He wants me real bad.

What I "want" is for you to own up to your manufactured DX claims.

Just be a man, admit you made it up...Or prove me wrong and get some
details that can be verified in here.

Otherwise...still lying.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/22/2004 10:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

He wants me real bad.

What I "want" is for you to own up to your manufactured DX claims.

No, nursie just wanna FIGHT.

Nursie should use all that "ability" from "seven hostile actions"
and show us how newsgrope supremacy is achieved through
brute-force barbarianism.

Just be a man, admit you made it up.

Nursie should show own "manliness" and prove that his "hostile
actions" claim is true or just a bunch of LIES made up for the
purposes of trying to win message points..

Or prove me wrong and get some details that can be verified in here.

Nursie has been given the source of MARS definitions and
purpose, yet still clings forlornly to the nonsense of "Sorry
Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!"

Otherwise...still lying.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Anything said against nursie is a LIE.

Nursie = nuts.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.

They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?

And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort
Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still
have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW.

That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some
spoofing
and such.

Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that
Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since
9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So
yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the
use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise.

Kelly, unable to admit what is happening since his bear-shooting
days as King of the Katapults, manufactures "knowing analyses"
of terrorists.

He be the intelligence failure...

Kelly the putz-caller seems to forget a well-publicized video bite
of Osama bin Laden rather obviously using a hand-held transceiver
in earlier days. No code key was evident in that video bite seen
on major networks.

Dammit! And I thought all the important guys carried cell phones.

Kelly has NO information on "ramping up" on-off keying codes by
the U.S. government or anyone else. The Military Intelligence
School at Fort Huachuca has been active for years. All U.S.
government agencies involved in any way use that M.I. Center,
including those few needing any sort of skills with on-off codings
such as morse. That as an economic consideration, not any sort
of technical reason or alleged "importance of morse."

Reference: Fort Huachuca public affairs office.

Nice. The Fort WhaChewKah PA Office had to spell it out for those
that are smitten by the myth. I can only imagine all of the telephone
calls and letters from all of the morseodists that couldn't believe
that morse code was not at the crux of modern communications for them
to have to put such a notice in their publications.

However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same
mission -
or
the same resources.

Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

Why not?

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" True or not true?

From someone "shooting bears for naval intelligence" and bragging
about "dining with the [aircraft carrier] captain," that sounds hollow.

You know he has to remain silent on the "Sorry Hans, MARS IS
Amateur Radio" issue. Wouldn't be PCTA if he didn't.

So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.

Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real.
Like
it
or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see
-
and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.

Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took
didn't ya?

Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and
the
subject.

Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh?

Oyez.

Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS.

Bad pun of "navel" noted.

Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he
consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post.

I have no problem being "adult" - even around children and the
immature. :-)

When I find some PCTA who are not children in here, I might alter
posting style.

Best of Luck.

No
such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified
snapshots and I never claimed otherwise.

That's true!

Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event,
bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo
processing kiosk after those flybys.

More "tales of the South Pacific?" :-)

I hope it's a musical.

I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department
of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was
aboard.

Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge.

Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian
professionals were treated as officers and were expected to
reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both
the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's
mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I
logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his
office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do.

Good ol' crusty chiefs. :-)

So, the dinner table talk was all about ham radio, morse, and
establishing valid QSLs for DXCC? :-)

Or did the talk involve ANY radio communications?

Rubber Band Man. I just knew it would be a musical.

The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge
work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers.

Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio
policy.

End of.

roger that!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Another installment of "Tales of The South Pacific" by the ancient
mariner-guest king of the katapults schmoosing with captains of
aircraft carriers. Real involvement with amateur radio! Not...

LHA / WMD

Hey, how else could he earn his GI Bill?

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/20/2004 5:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without
presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could
verify his general claims.

The Veterans Administration is NOT "proof enough" form you, Scummy
One?

No. Copies from NARA of nursie's "jacket" would do it.

"No Proof = Didn't Happen."

The proof is in the phone call, Lennie.

You haven't made it.

Don't have to. Military records of service are at NARA, not with
the VA. VA will use NARA.

[National Archives and Records Administration, St.Louis]

Complete information is at NARA. That would show the when
and where of "hostile actions." That would show MOS and
where served. It's all there.

Makes you look pretty stupid with that last claim.

Not at all. I know where the military service records are kept.
I also know what establishes and defines MARS, posted that
in here. Nursie didn't post that. Nursie still wanna claim:

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!"

Nursie has mental constipation problems (in addition to other
mental problems). Nursie need help.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

God only knows what he's told the VA to put in his medical records...
maybe that shoebox full of medals.