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Able Baker Charlie (or is that Avacado Bascule Cumquat?)
Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article in our national Journal for May. 73, Avery |
Hello, Avery
Fortunately, that (phonetics) problem doesn't exist on cw ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "Avery Hightower" wrote in message k.net... Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article in our national Journal for May. 73, Avery --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/04 |
"Avery Hightower" wrote in message k.net... Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article in our national Journal for May. 73, Avery Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm Make your own conclusions there. Dan/W4NTI |
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.) Ryan KC8PMX Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm Make your own conclusions there. Dan/W4NTI |
Yep, Ryan
10 years ago I went for a civil service exam. They asked both phonetic alphabets (alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot ... and adam baker charlie david edward ... etc). I scored 100% with no veterens' points. I wasn't even called. I assumed it had something to do with age. I figured something out. About 1 year ago, a shift supervisor asked me if I could copy one of his report's resume into the computer. As I proceeded to type the resume into the computer he was flabbergasted. "What the heck! You aren't even looking at the monitor!" Yawn. Of course. I have typed 65 words per minute on a manual typewriter and over 90 words per minute on a 100 word per minute teletype machine. I have copied 40 words per minute perfect copy for a number of minutes (a full page of typewritten copy) in the Navy on a manual typewriter (the fastest speed they had on tape at Bainbridge, MD). I was asked when I was looking for a job some years ago if I had ever used a computer. I won't repeat what I said. Well, maybe. I asked "did you read the f*ck*ng resume? I've been programming PCs and mainframes for three years! I walked out on them. I have come to the conclusion that I no longer care. I was even called "elitist", which I am not. I am just fed up with certain things that are happening. I wish we all could just get along .... One guy had a problem on a repeater. He was squawking about the need for CW. So .... I switched to F2 emission (or whatever they want to call it ... I no longer worry about it). I was gentle. I only sent about 40 words per minute. I could have sent 55. Maybe 60, but it wouldn't have been good code at that point. My new attitude is "do whatever you want, just make sure you want it". Raise, call or fold. BTW, I've never heard of "boy" being one of the recognized phonetics. I think I'm developing an attitude ;) BTW, no slam intended. I just would like some of the folks in the newsgroup to understand what is going on with some of us older folks who are still to young to retire. This is absolutely *not* aimed at you. Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.) Ryan KC8PMX Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm Make your own conclusions there. Dan/W4NTI --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/04 |
Wasn't aware they were still being used.
Go for it. Dan/W4NTI "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.) Ryan KC8PMX Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm Make your own conclusions there. Dan/W4NTI |
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message nk.net... Wasn't aware they were still being used. Go for it. Dan/W4NTI "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.) Ryan KC8PMX Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm Make your own conclusions there. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Yep, in every rerun of One Adam Twelve. |
The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? |
"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197
@fed1read07: The police and other civil entities used many different variants across country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? There's only one correct international set of phonetics - Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X- ray Yankee Zulu I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as 'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the DX. Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like, but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of saying it, but I can't do much about that. I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to be the way that is natural for me to begin with! |
"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in message news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197@fed1read07...
The police and other civil entities used many different variants across country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? "In 1956 the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) adopted the ICAO phonetic alphabet. Today it is THE worldwide standard for military, naval, civilian aeronautical and maritime, search and rescue groups, public safety, (law enforcement being an exception); and...the A.R.R.L." http://www.emcomm.org/svares/trainin...10_30_2001.htm http://vatusa.org/training/study_guides/voc1.html w3rv |
Alun wrote in message . ..
"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197 @fed1read07: The police and other civil entities used many different variants across country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? There's only one correct international set of phonetics - Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X- ray Yankee Zulu I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as 'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the DX. Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like, but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of saying it, but I can't do much about that. I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to be the way that is natural for me to begin with! I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy coy dee eee flew glue hoy igloo joy koi lew moo noy oy poise quoi roy soy toy upper viceroy double upper ex why zee |
Using your fenetics
Ahoy Boy Why Toy with a perfectly good well accepted international phonetic set Quoi Soy Lew Available at all Chinese resturants and B & W Root Beer Stands -- Lamont Cranston The Shadow Knows ------------------------------ Some one wrote I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy coy dee eee flew glue hoy igloo joy koi lew moo noy oy poise quoi roy soy toy upper viceroy double upper ex why zee |
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No problem Jim, I am one of those that is required to use the APCO (or
damned close similarity) phonetics in both of what I do for a living. As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics....... I am first to admit, every once in a while the two different phonetic groups do get intermingled...... not on purpose though. :) Ryan KC8PMX "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Yep, Ryan 10 years ago I went for a civil service exam. They asked both phonetic alphabets (alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot ... and adam baker charlie david edward ... etc). I scored 100% with no veterens' points. I wasn't even called. I assumed it had something to do with age. I figured something out. About 1 year ago, a shift supervisor asked me if I could copy one of his report's resume into the computer. As I proceeded to type the resume into the computer he was flabbergasted. "What the heck! You aren't even looking at the monitor!" Yawn. Of course. I have typed 65 words per minute on a manual typewriter and over 90 words per minute on a 100 word per minute teletype machine. I have copied 40 words per minute perfect copy for a number of minutes (a full page of typewritten copy) in the Navy on a manual typewriter (the fastest speed they had on tape at Bainbridge, MD). I was asked when I was looking for a job some years ago if I had ever used a computer. I won't repeat what I said. Well, maybe. I asked "did you read the f*ck*ng resume? I've been programming PCs and mainframes for three years! I walked out on them. I have come to the conclusion that I no longer care. I was even called "elitist", which I am not. I am just fed up with certain things that are happening. I wish we all could just get along .... One guy had a problem on a repeater. He was squawking about the need for CW. So .... I switched to F2 emission (or whatever they want to call it .... I no longer worry about it). I was gentle. I only sent about 40 words per minute. I could have sent 55. Maybe 60, but it wouldn't have been good code at that point. My new attitude is "do whatever you want, just make sure you want it". Raise, call or fold. BTW, I've never heard of "boy" being one of the recognized phonetics. I think I'm developing an attitude ;) BTW, no slam intended. I just would like some of the folks in the newsgroup to understand what is going on with some of us older folks who are still to young to retire. This is absolutely *not* aimed at you. Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.) Ryan KC8PMX Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm Make your own conclusions there. Dan/W4NTI --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/04 |
William wrote:
Alun wrote in message . .. "Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197 @fed1read07: The police and other civil entities used many different variants across country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? There's only one correct international set of phonetics - Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X- ray Yankee Zulu I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as 'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the DX. Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like, but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of saying it, but I can't do much about that. I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to be the way that is natural for me to begin with! I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy coy dee eee flew glue hoy igloo joy koi lew moo noy oy poise quoi roy soy toy upper viceroy double upper ex why zee lessee, koi boy three eee igloo ahoy? Howl! This is a darn funny Phonetic, Brian |
"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics....... No you're not. Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy. 73, de Hans, K0HB -- SOC #291 http://www.qsl.net/soc |
Alun wrote: I have a P at the end of my US call, Me too, sometimes, especially if I've been drinking coffee. - Mike KB3EIA - |
KØHB wrote: "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics....... No you're not. Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy. I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a person's call better if they just SAY it. Of course that only goes for the languages I recognize. - Mike - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a person's call better if they just SAY it. Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much needed. Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place names. A......AMERICA B......BRAZIL C......CANADA D......DENMARK E......ENGLAND F......FRANCE G.....GERMANY H.....HONOLULU I.......ITALY J......JAPAN K......KILOWATT L......LONDON M......MEXICO N......NORWAY O......ONTARIO P......PORTUGAL Q......QUEBEC R......RADIO S......SANTIAGO T......TOKYO U......UNITED V...... VICTORIA W......WASHINGTON X......X-RAY Y......YOKOHAMA Z...... ZANZIBAR 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Mike Coslo wrote in
: William wrote: Alun wrote in message . .. "Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197 @fed1read07: The police and other civil entities used many different variants across country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? There's only one correct international set of phonetics - Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X- ray Yankee Zulu I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as 'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the DX. Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like, but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of saying it, but I can't do much about that. I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to be the way that is natural for me to begin with! I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy coy dee eee flew glue hoy igloo joy koi lew moo noy oy poise quoi roy soy toy upper viceroy double upper ex why zee lessee, koi boy three eee igloo ahoy? Howl! This is a darn funny Phonetic, Brian noy three koi igloo poise |
Mike Coslo wrote in news:e96dna0OaelVrlfdRVn-
: Alun wrote: I have a P at the end of my US call, Me too, sometimes, especially if I've been drinking coffee. - Mike KB3EIA - Or beer |
"KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Mike Coslo" wrote I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a person's call better if they just SAY it. Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much needed. Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place names. A......AMERICA B......BRAZIL C......CANADA D......DENMARK E......ENGLAND F......FRANCE G.....GERMANY H.....HONOLULU I.......ITALY J......JAPAN K......KILOWATT L......LONDON M......MEXICO N......NORWAY O......ONTARIO P......PORTUGAL Q......QUEBEC R......RADIO S......SANTIAGO T......TOKYO U......UNITED V...... VICTORIA W......WASHINGTON X......X-RAY Y......YOKOHAMA Z...... ZANZIBAR 73, de Hans, K0HB I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa. Jamaica would be better. |
In article t, "KØHB"
writes: there is no requirement for hams to use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy. That's true as long as the phonetics used don't obscure the meaning of words or the actual callsign. 73 de Jim, November Two Echo Yankee |
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"Alun" wrote in message ... "KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Mike Coslo" wrote I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a person's call better if they just SAY it. Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much needed. Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place names. A......AMERICA B......BRAZIL C......CANADA D......DENMARK E......ENGLAND F......FRANCE G.....GERMANY H.....HONOLULU I.......ITALY J......JAPAN K......KILOWATT L......LONDON M......MEXICO N......NORWAY O......ONTARIO P......PORTUGAL Q......QUEBEC R......RADIO S......SANTIAGO T......TOKYO U......UNITED V...... VICTORIA W......WASHINGTON X......X-RAY Y......YOKOHAMA Z...... ZANZIBAR 73, de Hans, K0HB I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa. Jamaica would be better. But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal. You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your Q-rate spiraling down the crapper. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better. |
"N2EY" wrote That's true as long as the phonetics used don't obscure the meaning of words or the actual callsign. Thank you, Captain Obvious. 73, de Hans, Kilowatt-Zero-Handsome Boy |
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Alun wrote in message . .. "Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197 @fed1read07: The police and other civil entities used many different variants across country From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html Used by police in New York City: Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra [Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow] Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York: Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra Used by police in San Diego, California: Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra -- Keyboard In The Noise Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but "right on" ------------------------------------- Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics? There's only one correct international set of phonetics - Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X- ray Yankee Zulu I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as 'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the DX. Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like, but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of saying it, but I can't do much about that. I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to be the way that is natural for me to begin with! I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy coy dee eee flew glue hoy igloo joy koi lew moo noy oy poise quoi roy soy toy upper viceroy double upper ex why zee You din read the book didja? |
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In article et, "KØHB"
writes: "N2EY" wrote That's true as long as the phonetics used don't obscure the meaning of words or the actual callsign. Thank you, Captain Obvious. No, thank YOU, Captain Oblivious... :-) LHA / WMD [Armenian judges are tuning up their chant machines right now...] |
In article , Leo
writes: On 11 Jun 2004 20:27:22 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: snip 1955 was 49 years ago. Unfortunately true, as I was reminded on my birthday back in May.... snip LHA / WMD 73, Leo No, FORTUNATELY! Glad you made it! Now the FUN begins. :-) After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some- how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi. :-) Just the same, in 1955 we in the U.S. military got some mass- mimeos on the "new" NATO phonetic alphabet to memorize since it would become effective in a few months from that issue. [the xerocopy machine wasn't a thing then and all orders, etc., were done in mimeograph form...which were "cut" on a type- writer...hence the term "cutting orders (for this or that)."] Good for some guffaws in discussion...like "foxtrot" for "fox" (even the term "fox trot" had gone out of style in dancing in favor of Latin American dances in that year...the "twist" had several years to appear and Chubby Checker was probably still thin). We learned "love" was out and "lima" was in (a lot of beans that). Since we all knew "how," the "H" still became "hotel." "Quebec" was a nice touch favoring the Canadians. We learned a bit more respect for "mama" and "papa" and "juliet" (for those of us who knew here, too). "Zulu time" entered the military jargon (for the Z time zone equal to GMT) and eventually entered TV entertainment through the series "JAG." Scientists and metrologists were just then beginning to argue UTC or Coordinated Universal Time (instead of Zulu...smarts folks thought they were too good for the military or something, which we would see in the 60s). I sort of liked the old phonetic alphabet since my initials came out Love How Able! "Lima Hotel Alpha" just doesn't have any zing to it. (hi, hi...hotel india, hotel india...) Hang in there for 50-plus! :-) |
Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (William) Date: 6/11/2004 11:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy...(SNIP) Ebonics goes Caucasian. Why am I not surprised Son Of Lennie came up with it? Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/11/2004 3:27 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: I do know it is NOT the "ICAO phonetic alphabet" except for a bunch of anti-military peacenik hardliners will never admit to the existance of NATO, therefore they want to rename it for "ICAO." Hmmmmmm..... That's funny... APCO calls it the ICAO phonetic alphabet. The FAA calls it the ICAO phonetic alphabet. It's refered to as the ICAO phonetic alphabet in about a dozen different military aeronatutical publications that I recall including the FLIP charts. I've seen it refered to as the ICAO phonetic is several European radio hobby magazines. Ya figger all them folks know something YOU don't, Lennie...?!?! Kellie will now start mumbling "putz" and other Yiddish endearments... :-) If it fits, Lennie... Ya PUTZ! Steve, K4YZ |
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Kellie should note that the U.S. MILITARY adopted the NATO phonetic alphabet in 1955, not 1956. The ICAO and the ITU globally and the FAA, ANSI and the ARRL inside the U.S. all agreed upon the same phonetic alphabet and it lives on today. That's a documented 100% correct statement. What's your point Putz? Answer: "I'm just the local neighborhood putz, I don't have a point, I never did and I never will". [as one who was IN the U.S. Army at the time, and in radio communications work, I am quite familiar with that adoption, about as first-hand as one can get (without shooting off his catapult)] Golly dayum and holy cow, I wish I was there when you used them there NATO phonetics on the Army RTTY repeaters you babysat. NATO-issued RTTY microphones? 1955 was 49 years ago. Is Kellie POSITIVE the ARRL adopted the NATO phonetic alphabet 49 years ago? Or even 48 years ago? The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) may also have selected the NATO phonetic alphabet in 1955, rather than 1956, but I expect a lot of outraged protests on that... :-) I do know it is NOT the "ICAO phonetic alphabet" except for a bunch of anti-military peacenik hardliners will never admit to the existance of NATO, therefore they want to rename it for "ICAO." SNORES Kellie will now start mumbling "putz" and other Yiddish endearments... :-) Can't even start to be bothered, "The Putz" obviously works just fine for everybody around here. SK dit dit. LHA / WMD |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Mike Coslo" wrote I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a person's call better if they just SAY it. Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much needed. Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place names. A......AMERICA B......BRAZIL C......CANADA D......DENMARK E......ENGLAND F......FRANCE G.....GERMANY H.....HONOLULU I.......ITALY J......JAPAN K......KILOWATT L......LONDON M......MEXICO N......NORWAY O......ONTARIO P......PORTUGAL Q......QUEBEC R......RADIO S......SANTIAGO T......TOKYO U......UNITED V...... VICTORIA W......WASHINGTON X......X-RAY Y......YOKOHAMA Z...... ZANZIBAR Back when my call was w3yik and I used Washington Thuree Yokohama Italy Kilowatt the guy on the other end of the pileup often worked three whilst waiting for me to finish my long-winded ID speil. Hideous phonetics. Whiskey Thuree Yolk Ida Kilo worked much better. I think those were some sort of ancient military standard phonetics. Then I "transitioned" from ham radio to a bit of flying. Early in that experience I called Philips Army on Unicom and used "my" phonetics to ask permission to pass thru their control zone at 1200. The freq lit up like the tower of babble, Philips tower simply ignored me so I had to wind a couple spot 360s up to 3500 and climb over the control zone instead getting their permission to fly thru it. I dunno how many others reamed me a new one good for using squirrely phonetics. It didn't get any better when I got back on the ground and to deal with the hanger bums who also heard it all. I ain't never going thru anything like that again no way nohow. Today "Romeo Victor" cuts thru the crap like a knife. You couldn't pay me enough to use "radio victoria" if the guy is a new one. And "we" don't much bother with our prefixes in the pileups these days huh Hans? 73, de Hans, K0HB w3rv |
"KØHB" wrote in news:Pgsyc.2138$Wr.1801
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Mike Coslo" wrote I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a person's call better if they just SAY it. Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much needed. Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place names. A......AMERICA B......BRAZIL C......CANADA D......DENMARK E......ENGLAND F......FRANCE G.....GERMANY H.....HONOLULU I.......ITALY J......JAPAN K......KILOWATT L......LONDON M......MEXICO N......NORWAY O......ONTARIO P......PORTUGAL Q......QUEBEC R......RADIO S......SANTIAGO T......TOKYO U......UNITED V...... VICTORIA W......WASHINGTON X......X-RAY Y......YOKOHAMA Z...... ZANZIBAR 73, de Hans, K0HB I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa. Jamaica would be better. But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal. You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your Q-rate spiraling down the crapper. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better. Any word that sounds like a different letter in the international phonetic alphabet should be avoided like the plague |
"Alun" wrote I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa. Jamaica would be better. But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal. You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your Q-rate spiraling down the crapper. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better. Any word that sounds like a different letter in the international phonetic alphabet should be avoided like the plague Experience trumps theory, and in my experience using "Jamaica" as phonetics for "J" would call for an instant fill and put a 3dB down-spike on my rate meter. If it's all the same with you, I'll just run down to the clinic and get a plague shot and then continue my sinful ways. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Able Baker Charlie From: (William) Date: 6/11/2004 11:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet: ahoy boy...(SNIP) Ebonics goes Caucasian. Why am I not surprised Son Of Lennie came up with it? Steve, K4YZ Steve, no thanks for the private email, even though I've asked you repeatedly not to communicate with me privately. I really do prefer to keep all comms with you strictly public. You broke the rules, but certainly in keeping with your mode of operation. So how is it that you can call people liars all day long, give people a deadline to produce some google search, hound and hound those who disagree with you, and in general be the sweetheart pariah of the PCTA? But when someone else calls you a liar, when you have lied, you threaten a summons. Are you nuts? No. Don't answer that question. I don't want any more lies out of you. So congratulations on earning persona non grata. You've truly worked hard at ii. Earned, Never Given. And FWIW, the fenetic alfabet was a joke, but leave it to the mentally impaired to think is was a serious effort. Sayonara and have a great life. |
"KØHB" wrote in news:%zHyc.2703$Wr.1505
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Alun" wrote I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa. Jamaica would be better. But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal. You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your Q-rate spiraling down the crapper. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better. Any word that sounds like a different letter in the international phonetic alphabet should be avoided like the plague Experience trumps theory, and in my experience using "Jamaica" as phonetics for "J" would call for an instant fill and put a 3dB down-spike on my rate meter. If it's all the same with you, I'll just run down to the clinic and get a plague shot and then continue my sinful ways. 73, de Hans, K0HB You can do whatever you like, but it is precisely _because_ you and others use 'Japan' as a phonetic that I have problems with people who think that was what I said when I correctly pronounce the correct phonetic for the letter P. This sucks! |
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