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#2
June 19th 04, 11:17 PM
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In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: When you consider that no carrier goes anywhere alone but instead has various mixtures of destroyers, cruisers, attack subs, and at least one ammo/oiler/supply ship in its CSG (Carrier Strike Groups are formed and disestablished on an as-needed basis; but while one may be different from another, all are comprised of similar types of ships), that's a heck of a lot of radio traffic, so I'm sure the freqs listed above only skim the surface. Conspicuous by their absence from the above freqs are freqs for LINK-11 (TADIL-A) voice coordination nets, for example. Needless to say, these guys can also change frequency at any time, and will according to mission requirements, propagation, QRM, and other considerations - including COMSEC. Roger that, John, thanks. |
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June 20th 04, 02:14 PM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/19/2004 2:16 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 19 Jun 2004 05:57:47 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? Among those that have been logged over the last week or so a...(SNIPPED) Very interesting. I note only one MARS callsign there, and it's NOT a facility callsign. Rather it's one assigned to an individual (read that "licensed Amateur"). Guess all those "professional" MARS operators were taking a break. I am curious about the German callsign that John attributes to being in Washington state? A typo...?!?! I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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June 20th 04, 09:18 PM
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#5
June 21st 04, 02:33 PM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/20/2004 3:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 20 Jun 2004 13:14:21 GMT, (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote: I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. Yep - Puerto Rico CAP is their correct State Wing callsign. Like Florida CAP where you are, or WHITE PEAK where I am. I'm not in Florida. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! In all fairness, the frequencies posted were in relation to a military exercise and to an exercise of a radio net oprated by the civilian government in support of said military exercise. This is far removed from the type of "emergency comms" in which GMRS, MURS, FRS, and Amateur stations would be involved. That one wasn't on you, John. Certain other posters have "insisted" that those radio services are "major" contributors to "emergency comms". They have yet to establish any validity for those claims. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#6
June 21st 04, 10:42 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/20/2004 3:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 20 Jun 2004 13:14:21 GMT, (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote: I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. Yep - Puerto Rico CAP is their correct State Wing callsign. Like Florida CAP where you are, or WHITE PEAK where I am. I'm not in Florida. Of course. Florida is not part of Fantasyland. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! In all fairness, the frequencies posted were in relation to a military exercise and to an exercise of a radio net oprated by the civilian government in support of said military exercise. This is far removed from the type of "emergency comms" in which GMRS, MURS, FRS, and Amateur stations would be involved. That one wasn't on you, John. Certain other posters have "insisted" that those radio services are "major" contributors to "emergency comms". They have yet to establish any validity for those claims. No need. There's a cellular telephone subscription for one out of three U.S. citizens according to the U.S. Census Bureau. (cellphones are not Part 15 devices) CB radios number somewhere between 2 and 5 MILLION, estimated by NTIA. (CB is not under Part 15) I don't know how many FRS/GMRS HTs have been sold, but they are regular consumer electronics items as consumer electronics stores and are good for 5 to 10 miles communications range. (FRS isn't under Part 15 either) One-way communications has been provided in emergencies for decades by broadcasting (also not under Part 15). In real emergencies the Public Land Mobile Radio Service (PLMRS) radios have been invaluable for local government and utility and medical aid agencies. (PLMRS isn't under Part 15). It is very inaccurate to state anyone has "insisted unlicensed devices play a 'major' role" in emergencies. Those radios ARE used by emergency communications groups in real emergencies. Try to get with reality instead of hiding in outrage in fantasy- land over some perceived "insult" against your shouting and arm-waving. LHA / WMD |
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#7
June 21st 04, 11:00 PM
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#8
June 22nd 04, 12:10 AM
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In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: On 21 Jun 2004 21:42:13 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: No need. There's a cellular telephone subscription for one out of three U.S. citizens according to the U.S. Census Bureau. (cellphones are not Part 15 devices) CB radios number somewhere between 2 and 5 MILLION, estimated by NTIA. (CB is not under Part 15) I don't know how many FRS/GMRS HTs have been sold, but they are regular consumer electronics items as consumer electronics stores and are good for 5 to 10 miles communications range. (FRS isn't under Part 15 either) One-way communications has been provided in emergencies for decades by broadcasting (also not under Part 15). In real emergencies the Public Land Mobile Radio Service (PLMRS) radios have been invaluable for local government and utility and medical aid agencies. (PLMRS isn't under Part 15). I think maybe you're half right, Len. believe it or not, even my ham rigs are Part 15 devices and come with the usual Part 15 warning sticker on them. Part 15 regulations apply to INCIDENTAL EMITTERS such as receivers, data couplers (if you have software controlled anything as a peripheral) and so forth. The stickers are there by the manufacturer and are intended to make the buying public believe in the sanctity of the product. :-) Remember the radios and TV sets of old from brand [which] which said "For best results always use [which] tubes?" :-) The Parts of Title 47 C.F.R. that apply to various radio services are listed after a link on the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology page. Under those parts one gets a link to the GPO which has the PDF repros of all the Parts of Title 47. The current issue date at the GPO (Government Printing Office) for Title 47 is 1 October 2003. That facility is a lot better than buying the same thing in hardcopy from the GPO. The last of five volumes of Title 47 (Part 80 to end) cost more than $50 even if shipping costs are free. The GPO does accept VISA and Mastercard and can take orders over the phone for local GPO outlets. The transmitter on cell phones (which are radios, not telephones), CB rigs, FRS/GMRS/PLMRS radios, and ham rigs are covered under those portions of FCC regulations that authorize the user to operate the transmitter (part 95 for CB, part 97 for ham, etc.). However, the receiver portion of the device is covered under Part 15. True enough. Problem is, nursie doesn't know which Part is which and becomes emotionally unstable when opposed to any of his postings. It is very inaccurate to state anyone has "insisted unlicensed devices play a 'major' role" in emergencies. Those radios ARE used by emergency communications groups in real emergencies. As I said, I did not see the original posts, but I am aware of instances where such equipment is used by governmental and emergency services personnel, as well as by ARES/RACES and other "civilian" EmComm groups (like REACT). Nursie doesn't want to see that. The original ranting and raving against anything "unlicensed" came from a mild comment by Brian Burke in here over a month ago. There's two worlds being discussed in here. The major one is reality - where you and I live - and the fantasylands wherein all the existing radio communication infrastructure fails in any emergency, only ham radio being able to save the day. Not only that, REACT grew through CB radio and the fantasyland livers think that all CB is evil, wicked, mean, and nasty, unfit for proper morsemen to ever approach let alone use. CB is unlicensed, of course, therefore it isn't any good since no test need be passed to operate one. :-) You and I know that most real emergencies are very local in nature and those can be aided by relatively short-range radios having 2 to 15 mile ranges. Those can be any of the presently unlicensed radios as well as licensed, such as PLMRS. Unfortunately, the vast majority of messaging in here, other than the "learned" pontificating of political pundits, involves arguing the fantasyland worlds of the various angry PCTA or those who wish to seek gurudom of the newsgroup (and whose words are golden, never ever to be talked against). Unless one is a regular reader in here it is difficult to follow some threads...even those that don't evolve into the flame wars you see. :-) |
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#9
June 22nd 04, 12:20 AM
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Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in
: On 21 Jun 2004 21:42:13 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: No need. There's a cellular telephone subscription for one out of three U.S. citizens according to the U.S. Census Bureau. (cellphones are not Part 15 devices) CB radios number somewhere between 2 and 5 MILLION, estimated by NTIA. (CB is not under Part 15) I don't know how many FRS/GMRS HTs have been sold, but they are regular consumer electronics items as consumer electronics stores and are good for 5 to 10 miles communications range. (FRS isn't under Part 15 either) One-way communications has been provided in emergencies for decades by broadcasting (also not under Part 15). In real emergencies the Public Land Mobile Radio Service (PLMRS) radios have been invaluable for local government and utility and medical aid agencies. (PLMRS isn't under Part 15). I think maybe you're half right, Len. believe it or not, even my ham rigs are Part 15 devices and come with the usual Part 15 warning sticker on them. They are only under Part 15 for unwanted radiated emmissions, i.e. RF leakage from the case. The transmitter on cell phones (which are radios, not telephones), CB rigs, FRS/GMRS/PLMRS radios, and ham rigs are covered under those portions of FCC regulations that authorize the user to operate the transmitter (part 95 for CB, part 97 for ham, etc.). However, the receiver portion of the device is covered under Part 15. It is very inaccurate to state anyone has "insisted unlicensed devices play a 'major' role" in emergencies. Those radios ARE used by emergency communications groups in real emergencies. As I said, I did not see the original posts, but I am aware of instances where such equipment is used by governmental and emergency services personnel, as well as by ARES/RACES and other "civilian" EmComm groups (like REACT). 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
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