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Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
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Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
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Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?

hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't
care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes
longer to

heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that
time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content
of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical
Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass

him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother
you too

much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals
that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it
was
HIS education that carried the day.

If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?

Because Steve lies, and Steve has a mission, and Steve is nuts.

Like the guy in the movie, Acropolis Now, he was lying on his back in
a hoe house, the ceiling fan started to look like a rotary wing
propellor, then he says, "I asked for a mission, and for my sins, they
gave me one."

No "hi, hi" on that one.

Apt mental picture. Easy to visualize.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

%#$%&**@!!!

You actually asked such a question???

Jimmie's wife hasn't been threatened. His tires haven't been slashed.

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the
last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts
echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying
"He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come
off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Works EVERY time!

Heh.

I'll have to rest from all that "jard work." Hi hi.

[have to recharge my ham mower...]

Jimmie no make Errors like "blatant typos." So Jimmie must be talkin
'bout Jard Work.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's
trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

Poor Mike. Supports Steve. Get's blasted.

Whatsa nice guy to do? "Steve's not such a bad sort, I mean he never
called me But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the
ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking
that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box
and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.

And plays dirty?

"Winning is EVERYTHING!"

yawn

Excuse me...to avoid "errors" I should have written jawn.

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering
school
and into a successful EE career.

Holey Moley! You're a real engineer? Got any land surveying under
your belt?

I don't think so. Too much IVY in the collitch.

Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?

So much so that you kill file him? Can't imagine it!

"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup.

To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.

His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level.

Absolutely. And Jim's "Dr. Fill" persona isn't nearly enough to work
on Steve's psychophenomenon.

It all started in an oprah...for doc fill. :-)

Can't you see that's what he wants?

Everyone but Steve sees it!!!

Not what I want.

Poor nursie can't handle the return fire.

Doesn't that clue you in the least???

Sorry Han's, Steve IS Controlled by Len!

Hi, hi!

"I control the vertical, I control the horizontal" - intro to old SF TV
show.

ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

Then point out the errors without the name calling.

In-friggin-possible!!!

Tsk. "blatant errors." Hi hi.

Well, to the religious nuts, anything against morse code IS heresy
and an abomination to ham gods.

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or
whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.

Hellooooooooo?????????

Steve's just lucky that Len doesn't pick up the phone!!!

Actually, I did. Answered a wrong number.

Not actually a wrong number. Was a telemarketer. Telemarketer
was on the "do not call" list.

They got reported to the FCC for violating the telephone spam rules.

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be
sober...."

That was mean. And Steve is crazy. Tomorrow, Steve will still be
crazy, Lady Astor will still be ugly, and Len will still be laughing
at you guys.

Ho ho! :-)

Sir Winston just might have a headache.

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

If you can. Hi, hi!

The only thing that seems to count is regular attendance at the
Church of St. Hiram and the regular morse mass every morning.

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's
not
about making amateur radio better or advancing it

(hint: nor is yours)

Gosh. A long time ago I stated that all I was advocating was a removal
of the morse code test from a license test.

Lots of the Believers in here didn't believe that.

Lot's wife, too...

Tsk. I should have posted the Bans on the doorway of the Church
of St. Hiram. [something like old Marty L. did long ago]

The mighty macho morsemen might have believed that. Hi hi.

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

thier?

"Their" "sevices to 'thier' country" by virtue of engaging in a hobby.

Hard to beat rationalizations like that.

That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters
post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

The guy who sold out his PO box to Deignan the callsign collector?

Now there's someone who contributes to the state of the art.

Real good example of modern-day ham "ethics" and "nobility."

That's how he got to be a "lecturer in mathematics at a university"
(just another teacher in a junior college).

Gotta be careful. Said seller is one of the nabobs with the 'Net and
has some "authority" on this newsgroup along with Paul Schleck.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Some ways are more meaningful than others.

Agreed 100%

10 - 50%

Zero.

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

More than Kelly did.

More than Jimmie did.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the
United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing
1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".

Name them and "thier" deeds.

ADA did about 220 thousand messages a month in 1955. Anyone
can estimate what one shift's responsibility was.

We didn't sit around cross-checking messages like a QSL Bureau.
We just sent and received them, working 24/7 regardless of what
the cashew-cruncher said. Duty was done.

Only about 300 of the Battalion were actively involved in ADA
operations, the rest in other Signal tasks at Far East Command
Headquarters. The photographic services company helped earn
the Battalions' Presidential Unit Citation (we got two of those).
[nursie didn't approve either citation...probably because of not
being born yet...hi hi]

But...*my* serving there was not the point. The real POINT was
that the U.S. military did NOT use "CW" for the majority of
messaging necessary to maintain a worldwide military. The U.S.
military of 50 years ago relied on teleprinter to do that. Teleprinter
was fast, reliable, as close to error-free as possible, and could
work without interruptions (save to change paper, tape, ribbons).

Manual morse telegraphy was still used by the USN and USCG of
50 years ago, but on shipboard. Those were relatively small
stations. USN networks of fixed-point to fixed-point were still relying
on teleprinter for the mass of necessary messaging...and for the
on-line encryption and decryption of sensitive material, something
they pioneered more than 60 years ago.

Olde-tyme hammes chafe at such reality. They have no real
comeback but instead misdirect to their own "ranks and statuses"
(if they had any) and old, old myths of morse to justify morse
testing for hobbyists of today. Those that can do neither come
out with personal insults at those pointing out reality of the past
or thinly-disguised insults they claim as "civil."

I see a broken down Marine, who tragically lost a child, now extremely
bitter and angry.

I see Kelly suggest I take my children to Somalia.

Is there any middle ground with you guys?

"Thier" way or the highway. Do code or die!

NO middle ground.

Obey the ARRL and the teachings of the Church of St. Hiram.

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I'm just waitng for that one.

Heh...the last time I was "bitter" was during a visit to Angostura.

Hmmm...I'm a retired person with a comfortable income, living with
my wife (who was my high school sweetheart) in a nice house that
has long since been mortage-free. I have a nice workshop in the
center of the house (inside, not consigned to a cold/hot garage) and
have the time and money to play with radio-electronics. I've "proved"
myself in the military, then the workplace, don't have to have rank,
status, or some artificial privileges for a hobby radio activity.

"Bitter?" I doubt it. Old, yes. If one survives a long time on earth,
that is what one achieves. :-)

It IS fun to watch all the posturing and preening in here, though, all
the chest-pounding and pseudo-religious beliefs manifested. It IS
fun to poke some holes in that posturing, preening, and pounding.
Tsk. The posturers can't stand up straight on subjects but have to
resort to pejoratives on the "pokers." [their problem, not mine]

All that about a HOBBY. Tsk. Hi hi.

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