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October 21st 04, 05:17 AM
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Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (William) Date: 10/20/2004 6:55 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om... (William) wrote in message .com... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Riley is not a Extra class. Dan/W4NTI Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?" Which of "several Extra's", Brain? There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a quote. Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?! Steve, K4YZ --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: N2EY ) Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal View this article only Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . . And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed, there were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down on Novices. Etc. And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either. Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last year for the vote on approving his membership application into The Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?) You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll? and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser: "Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?" Well, what IS his problem? That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX contesting. They're "a bit competitive".... Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4 years. No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL".... Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting.... Then as now, they were few - but noisy. Maybe it was different where you were, Dan. It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others. Circle Game. Dit-dit! Still nothing from one of "us" It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Where's the quotes, Brain? Steve, K4YZ |
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October 21st 04, 01:01 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? From: (William) Date: 10/20/2004 6:55 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om... (William) wrote in message . com... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message ink.net... Riley is not a Extra class. Dan/W4NTI Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?" Which of "several Extra's", Brain? There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a quote. Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?! Steve, K4YZ --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: N2EY ) Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal View this article only Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . . And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed, there were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down on Novices. Etc. And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either. Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last year for the vote on approving his membership application into The Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?) You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll? and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser: "Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?" Well, what IS his problem? That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX contesting. They're "a bit competitive".... Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4 years. No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL".... Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting.... Then as now, they were few - but noisy. Maybe it was different where you were, Dan. It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others. Circle Game. Dit-dit! Still nothing from one of "us" It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Where's the quotes, Brain? Steve, K4YZ You are blind. |
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October 21st 04, 02:53 PM
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Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (William) Date: 10/21/2004 7:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last year for the vote on approving his membership application into The Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?) You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll? and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser: "Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?" Well, what IS his problem? That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX contesting. They're "a bit competitive".... Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4 years. No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL".... Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting.... Then as now, they were few - but noisy. Maybe it was different where you were, Dan. It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others. Circle Game. Dit-dit! Still nothing from one of "us" It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Where's the quotes, Brain? You are blind. If you mean the suggestion about slamming Lennie over HIS asertion that he'd get an "Extra lite out of the box", those were HIS words, you idiot. And in ANY case, you STILL don't make a case for your "several Extras on RRAP" assertion. So..............You're STILL shy of some facts here, Brain. Try again. Steve, K4YZ |
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October 21st 04, 11:38 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? From: (William) Date: 10/21/2004 7:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last year for the vote on approving his membership application into The Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?) You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll? and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser: "Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?" Well, what IS his problem? That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX contesting. They're "a bit competitive".... Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4 years. No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL".... Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting.... Then as now, they were few - but noisy. Maybe it was different where you were, Dan. It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others. Circle Game. Dit-dit! Still nothing from one of "us" It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Where's the quotes, Brain? You are blind. And in ANY case, you STILL don't make a case for your "several Extras on RRAP" assertion. So..............You're STILL shy of some facts here, Brain. Try again. Steve, K4YZ The evidence is damning, unless you fold your PCTA blinders directly over your eyeballs. |
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October 22nd 04, 01:14 PM
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Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (William) Date: 10/21/2004 5:38 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... And in ANY case, you STILL don't make a case for your "several Extras on RRAP" assertion. So..............You're STILL shy of some facts here, Brain. Try again. The evidence is damning, unless you fold your PCTA blinders directly over your eyeballs. No blinders needed, Brain. You've not even "remotely" made a case for "several Extras on RRAP" suggesting that NOT having an Extra is a problem, let alone "damning". You're the Little Piggie making the house out of straw, Brain, and it takes nothing to knock it over. TRY AGAIN! Steve, K4YZ |
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October 23rd 04, 01:44 AM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? From: (William) Date: 10/21/2004 5:38 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... And in ANY case, you STILL don't make a case for your "several Extras on RRAP" assertion. So..............You're STILL shy of some facts here, Brain. Try again. The evidence is damning, unless you fold your PCTA blinders directly over your eyeballs. No blinders needed, Brain. You've not even "remotely" made a case for "several Extras on RRAP" suggesting that NOT having an Extra is a problem, let alone "damning". You're the Little Piggie making the house out of straw, Brain, and it takes nothing to knock it over. TRY AGAIN! Steve, K4YZ Jim/N2EY: "What IS his problem?" |
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October 21st 04, 06:07 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? From: (William) Date: 10/20/2004 6:55 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om... (William) wrote in message . com... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message ink.net... Riley is not a Extra class. Dan/W4NTI Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?" Which of "several Extra's", Brain? There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a quote. Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?! Steve, K4YZ --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: N2EY ) Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal View this article only Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . . And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed, there were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down on Novices. Etc. And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either. Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last year for the vote on approving his membership application into The Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?) You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll? and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser: "Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?" Well, what IS his problem? That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX contesting. They're "a bit competitive".... Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4 years. No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL".... Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting.... Then as now, they were few - but noisy. Maybe it was different where you were, Dan. It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others. Circle Game. Dit-dit! Still nothing from one of "us" It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". That's right. The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. That depends on the definition of "stupid". You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Let's clear this up. The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have computers in their hamshacks). In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the way it is. So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that bunch indicates a problem someplace. The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all. Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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October 21st 04, 07:57 PM
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Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (N2EY) Date: 10/21/2004 12:07 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". That's right. The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. That depends on the definition of "stupid". That's why I said "may", Jim. Nothing in what Brain cited was inappropriate. You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Let's clear this up. The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have computers in their hamshacks). Which would answer why the possession of an Extra MIGHT make the difference. In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the way it is. Then that IS the difference. So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that bunch indicates a problem someplace. The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all. Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale. Nothing like documented results to prove a point. The emphasis, for Brain's benefit, on the word DOCUMENTED. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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October 22nd 04, 11:54 AM
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain? From: (N2EY) Date: 10/21/2004 12:07 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem". That's right. The claim was that "several Extras here on rrap" said it. That's simply false. The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly. That depends on the definition of "stupid". That's why I said "may", Jim. Nothing in what Brain cited was inappropriate. You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee. Let's clear this up. The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have computers in their hamshacks). Which would answer why the possession of an Extra MIGHT make the difference. What the back benchers were saying was: "How come this guy doesn't realize that any serious DXer/contester who wants to join our club would get an Extra first?" How could anyone disagree with that? In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the way it is. Then that IS the difference. Exactly. Having that license *does* make a difference in how well someone can do what the club is focused on. "What's his problem", in that context, meant "doesn't this guy understand how basic that is?" Take contesting, for example. There are folks who think they are doing well if they make 15 QSOs/hr in a major contest, and can keep that rate up for 12 hours. And for their setups and skills, they *are* doing well! Yet among other folks, 30 QSOs/hr for 24 hours (twice the rate, twice as long, four times the score or more) isn't considered "doing well" at all. All depends on your concept of what "doing well in the contest" is. So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that bunch indicates a problem someplace. The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all. Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale. btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries isn't a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus on. To paraphrase what was written earlier: Nobody, regardless of license class, has all the answers or knows all of it. That doesn't mean everyone's knowledge is the same, or that everyone's opinion is equally valid/of equal value. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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