In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , "Casey" writes: how the tales of "I was a one-of-a-kind" super hero As I read Hans' and Jim's and others' stories of their USN, USCG and Merchant Marine experiences, one thing that is clear to me is that they do *not* claim to be "one-of-a-kind" at all. Rather, they are simply relating their experiences as part of a community. That's why the statue of a single sailor in Washington DC can express so much. Absolutely correct. You can empathize after all your years of experience at sea. Understood. Tsk. 'Radio' begins and ends solely on the sea? What of LAND where morse code was born, raised, and elevated to a magnificent art form before radio was ever proved? |
Subject: Awesome trainer!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 12/13/2004 12:44 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article .com, "William" writes: "But, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) isn't really interested in communications per se, is it? ARS is all about HOW the communications is done, not the comms' content. :-) Most Best Holiday Greetings, " All in the preparation for "THE BIG ONE." That one message where they save the Titanic, the Hindenberg, Johnstown, etc. Unfortunately, when it's time to send "THE BIG ONE" they have been so focused on mode that no one will be left to hear them. Irrelevant. The MEDIUM is the massage, therefore anyone who wants operating privileges on the amateur bands below 30 MHz MUST take that important code test! Maybe a massage WOULD fix your problems, Lennie, but I doubt it. And the Code test is an FCC requirement. Morsemen WILL manufacture stories of beeping derring-do whether the morse test is eliminated or kept ad infinitum. That's a given. As opposed to the ad-nauseum repetitions of the "Back in 1953..." stories we get from you...??? When space aliens invade the earth in their huge frying saucers, morsemen will Save The World using the unbreakable morse code. Morsemen are the gods of radio. Long may they wave. Nope....They're just better than you...in 1953 and ever since. Steve, K4YZ |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: What part of the US Navy did he serve in? What part of the US military did YOU serve in? ex-RA16408336 What your amateur radio callsign, Len? Ach, ja, der Gruppenfuhrer uf das Raddio Kops demands "to see papers!" :-) Didn't you just ask for Jim's papers? :-) :-) Why? Can't he put them in the recycling barrel along with other used paper? Maybe you had difficulty understanding the question: Didn't you ask about Jim's military service? Don't let your "diplomatic training" interfere with your attempted overthrow of the First Amendment that prohibits us U.S. citizens from discussing FEDERAL LAW AND REGULATION. It is "Federal law and regulation". Ah yes, herr gruppenfuhrer is now with the Syntax Squad. :-) Well, what's with the CAPS, Foghorn? You are still stuck on the fantasy that you have this little fraternal order where You and Your Kind are the "only" ones who can "make rules." Therefore, in your fantasyland vision, all who are not licensed cannot discuss a damn thing about amateur radio. Tsk. Secretary Powell might have frowned on your fantasy world dicta. Maybe Condie Rice will buy it? :-) Naw, Len. Me and my kind are licensed amateur radio operators. Isn't that sweet? Do you want a nice gold star on your certificate (suitable for framing)? It really isn't necessary. You aren't. Absolutely true. First thing you've gotten right so far... That's simply false. I got the "Federal law and regulation" correct. I got the part about me and my kind correct. I got the part about you asking Jim for his military "papers" correct. You can discuss and have discussed. And everyone can be sure that herr Heil will be in there with the "you ain't got no ham license!" :-) If you can't take it, get a ham license or don't read the posts. Heil is utterly predictable. Can't address any subject thread and always tries for the misdirect. Let's see...the thread title is "Awesome trainer" yet there you are, asking Jim in which part of the military he served. Would you like to discuss the awesome morse trainer? Has it helped you? You get quite a number of things about amateur radio incorrect. I'm sure you'd like that to be true, but YOU are incorrect. I'd actually be happier if you didn't get so many things about amateur radio and other things wrong, but you do get them wrong. I didn't work for Secretary Powell and he had nothing to do with my amateur radio operation. I didn't think so. Powell has diplomacy. You don't. Powell deals with thugs the same way I have but Mr. Powell wasn't at State when I was. Deal with it. How did you foul that up? Foul what up? I didn't "foul anything up," sweetums. Your memory is short: The whole Secretary Powell thing which you wrote and then snipped. You keep manufacturing incidents that don't, didn't exist. :-) You bring them into existence, then try to slip them under the rug. Good for you, Len. You didn't need an "Awesome Trainer" or an amateur license to get into the Signal Corps. Never said I needed some "Awesome trainer." Can't you stick with the thread? Again, you are manufacturing an incident that didn't happen. The thread didn't happen? You do that consistently. Do what consistently? Is your objective in posting here to get back into the Signal Corps? No. What is YOUR "objective?" :-) I don't have a single objective. I'm a radio amateur posting in an amateur radio newsgroup. I choose to post here. Tsk. All you seem to do is pick on certain communicators that you don't like and then make like you "run" the show. :-) It hasn't been established that you are a communicator. You certainly aren't in "the show". Sure it was, Len. I'm sure that when you first began doing such work, you were strictly a rank beginner. Yes, I had rank. No, I was not a "beginner." Yes, you were rank and a beginner. That's fine, old timer. I'll be happy to carry on for some time after you are able to be responsible for much of anything. I'm sure you would like that...it is shared with the trashman, you know, the Avenging Angle of the newsgroup. :-) I'd like that? That isn't what I wrote but it is the nature of living. There were people before you and there'll be people after you. You were doing things when I was in diapers. I'll be doing things when you are in diapers. Things like that even out. There are, of course, things which don't even out. If you become a beginner in amateur radio, there is no realistic way for you to enjoy four decades or more in the game. Tsk. Why is it SO necessary to do as YOU did? It isn't necessary at all. I didn't state that it was necessary. I'm stating that it isn't even possible. Is your ego really that large that you evaluate everyone based on your "accomplishments?" Must be. Tell us again about your experiences in the military and in the civilian world of electronics. Is your ego so large that you evaluate everyone based on your "accomplishments"? It looks as if that is the case. The only trouble is, your accomplishments don't mean much within amateur radio, your target group. Quite a number of guys get into ham radio late in life. Many of them are exhuberant and quick learners. They make hay while the sun shines. Your pile of hay is quite small and it is beginning to mildew. Tsk, tsk. More manufacturing of things. You have a very busy insult factory going. Not a good thing for the image of U.S. amateur radio, is it? Don't worry about. You aren't involved in U.S. amateur radio or amateur radio anywhere else. That's right, Len, but don't get too far ahead of yourself. When and if you ever obtain an amateur radio license, you'll be a rank beginner in amateur radio. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still trying to misdirect away from the thread, aren't you? :-) What are your feelings about the awesome morse trainer Hans brought up? "Morse Runner" is a code contest simulator, is it not? The thread also associated that with various others' military experience. You can skip your military tales. All anyone needs do is check Google for any of the myriad tellings. Now you want to return to your (predictable) diatribe of "nyah, nyah, you will be a 'rank beginner' in amateur radio," yadada, yadada, yadada. I didn't say that you will be a rank beginner, Len. You'd first have to actually obtain an amateur radio license. The likelihood of that happening is not great. If and when you ever do so, then you'll be a beginner in amateur radio. You have not yet attained that status. What "status?" :-) THAT status. :-) :-) Why is it so NECESSARY to have that federal license in order to discuss the test elements for ENTERING amateur radio? You've discussed. You aren't taken seriously. There's plenty to know which can't be picked up in a day. Oh my! Are years and years of "hard work and study" needed, oh mighty god of radio? As in any other endeavor, years of hard work and study are needed to get it right. Some guys never do. Some pick up some or most. Some guys are great ops. NO ONE can be as good or experienced as yourself...you've implied that about you for years and years in here. :-) Actually, I've never implied any such thing though I'm currently 41 years more experienced than you. :-) :-) If you don't adhere to regs, procedure, protocol, etc., you'll be at best marked as a green op. Carry on with that and you'll be known as a lid. Oh, my, YES, by all means use the Proper Proceedure. Say "hi hi" in voice instead of laughing...report all signal strengths as "599"... and so forth. When I read your stuff, I'm not saying "hi hi". If your sigs were any weaker, you'd be receiving. Who said anything about "not adhering to regulations?!?" I did. Have you prepared some kind of court order for arrest based on your suppostiion of the future? My "suppostiion" is that you'll never hit the airwaves as a radio amateur. Carry it to the extreme of breaking FCC regs and the Commission can "fire" you. Oh, my, der gruppenfuhrer suddenly morphs into Riley Hollingsworth! Wrong. Nowhere did I state that I'm the FCC. So...if I laugh out loud on voice on the ham bands, I'm breaking some kind of regulation? :-) Under most circumstances, if you show up on the ham bands at all, you're breaking some kind of regulation. Outrage? I'm not even close to outrage, especially when you remind me that you're an outsider to amateur radio. With your behavior, it's a wonder that anyone accessing this newsgroup wants to get into U.S. amateur radio. My behavior? Most non-ham readers of this group don't share your talent as a walking Preparation H advert. Just pace the sidelines as you've done from the beginnings of your r.r.a.p. history. Tsk. You should have put that as "all my life" instead of just some kind of "history in r.r.a.p." :-) Have you been doing this stuff with regard to amateur radio your entire life? No, wait. It must be RELIGIOUS THING with you. All without ham licenses are some kind of "infidels?" Yes, that must be it. You've gone on and on about that AMATEUR license as some kind of "holy grail" or a "Mecca" to visit or similar. I know plenty of folks without ham licenses with whom I get along fine. None of them are trying to impose their views on the regulation of amateur radio. Get used to it: It is just you. You don't accept a whole career in radio-electronics as good for anything, do you? Nope. You dismiss it. Spoils the hell out your rant, doesn't it? :-) Good for anything? Sure it was. It was good for jobs and paychecks. It still didn't get you a pass into amateur radio. Don't be too hard on yourself. Let's see. You wanted to know which part of the military in which Jim served. Jim who? Tsk. You are trying to be Hall Monitor again? The Jim to which you made your comment. The question I posed to you would be much more apropos in this venue. No, NOT "apropo." The subject thread started out talking about a new freeware called "Morse Runner," a CW contest simulator. So your question to Jim concerned that software, huh? I'm sure it is a nice computer program and well written. Has it helped your morse speed? However, I'd never be involved in the so-called "radiosport" of making as many "contacts" as possible in a given amount of time. That's not communicating anything. So now you're an expert at something else in which you have no experience. That's just some kind of game. It surely is. I can get all sorts of computer games to play with and so can everyone else. Radio contesting isn't a computer game, Leonard. It takes place on the air. Don't you get anything right? Do I need an amateur radio license to run a GAME on a computer? Did anyone state that you need one? Absolutely NOT. Hundreds of thousands of unlicensed others do that every day, most not even using any sort of "wireless" hookup. Feel free to continue. You can even comment to the feds about how best it should be regulated. Do I need an amateur radio license to run a transmitter NOT on the ham bands? No, that requires, for some radio services (but not all), a COMMERCIAL license. Tsk, I've had one of those since early 1956. :-) I don't much care what you do with any transmitter not on the ham bands. No, you keep coming back to what YOU think is "apropo," that of constantly bothering about MY not having an amateur radio license. That BOTHERS you since that's about all you can do, bring that up in any thread NOT about that subject. Sort of like your quizzing of Jim--the one which seemed to be about his military service but which you now assure us was about a morse trainer? That's awfully nice of you, Leonard. My mom is visiting out your way. Perhaps I'll arrange it so that she, my sister, my niece and my nephews can drop by and sing some carols for you. That might bring some cheer into your existence. "Cheer?" Try some industrial floor cleaner instead of laundry soap. They can scrub the oil spots out of the garage floor. Minimum wage even if their Green Cards are up to date. We can talk about why your garage floor is so soiled some other time. Meanwhile, you keep on your wonderful, warm-spirited recruiting campaign to entice newcomers to U.S. amateur radio by saying they will all be "rank beginners!" All newcomers to any field of endeavor are beginners. If it chafes you, tough. The way you are going here there won't be any worry about using up all the sequentially-assigned call signs for years. :-) Just worry about the one which might have been yours, old boy. Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote:
Morsemen are the gods of radio. Long may they wave. I'm waving at you, Len, with all five digits of one hand. Remember though that the wave is encrypted. There's a message in there for you somewhere. Dave K8MN |
On 12 Dec 2004 21:24:01 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
snip But, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) isn't really interested in communications per se, is it? ARS is all about HOW the communications is done, not the comms' content. :-) ....As Marshall McLuhan said back in the 60s (while he was a Professor at the University of Toronto) - "The Medium Is The Message"! Most Best Holiday Greetings, 73, Leo |
In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes: To some amateurs the how *is* important. I would say that nowadays that's true for *most* hams. In most of the developed world, the average person has a wide range of communications options. Some are relatively new (cell phones with cameras in them), others have been around a long time (Plain Old Telephone Service). Almost all are tending downward in cost and upward in ease of use. It wasn't that long ago that the average person had very few affordable communications options outside of the US mail and Ma Bell. Sure, some folks were hooked up with precursors to the Internet, TTY machines and even mobile telephones, but those things were pretty much out of the reach of ordinary middle-class people. In those times, ham radio offered communications that weren't practical or affordable any other way. For example, from the 1970s onward it used to be common around here for entire families to get ham licenses in order to keep in touch via the local VHF/UHF ham repeaters. Nowadays cell phones have just about eliminated that reason. Lots of other examples. Witness PSK, moonbounce, and other stuff. Yep. Like CW! Of course there *are* times when ham radio is still the only practical or available method of radio communications. Anyone can grab a microphone and talk. Somehow, a lot of folks get caught up in the code vs no-code argument that is getting *really* old. Seems there used to be an am vs ssb argument back in the 60s as well. Goes back into the '50s. However, that *how* it is done is important if we wish to further ourselves. If all amateur radio does is to emulate what is available other ways, it will simply die out. What we need to keep alive are the things that make amateur radio unique. Like Morse Code. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Subject: Awesome trainer!
From: Dave Heil Date: 12/13/2004 3:14 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: Don't let your "diplomatic training" interfere with your attempted overthrow of the First Amendment that prohibits us U.S. citizens from discussing FEDERAL LAW AND REGULATION. It is "Federal law and regulation". Ah yes, herr gruppenfuhrer is now with the Syntax Squad. :-) Well, what's with the CAPS, Foghorn? Just more of the "Do As I Say, Not Do As I Do" syndrome that Lennie suffers from...When I do it for emphasis, it's "yelling" or violation of "nettiquette". Lennie put four capped words in a row together. Sounds like "yelling" and violation of "nettiquette" to me... But that's why Lennie's a scumbag... Steve, K4YZ |
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: What we need to keep alive are the things that make amateur radio unique. Like Morse Code. Absolutely! And let's not forget other areas such as giving up automobiles and going back to horsies and buggies...farmers plowing fields behind animules...all those "XYLs" cooking from scratch on cast-iron wood-fired stoves. The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society rides again! :-) |
In article , Leo
writes: On 12 Dec 2004 21:24:01 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: snip But, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) isn't really interested in communications per se, is it? ARS is all about HOW the communications is done, not the comms' content. :-) ...As Marshall McLuhan said back in the 60s (while he was a Professor at the University of Toronto) - "The Medium Is The Message"! To the mighty macho morsemen, "the medium is the massage." :-) |
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