Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote:

Subject: Mode/Band Use in 1961
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/16/2004 7:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


In fact, there was NO ARRL and NONE of the amateur radio
enthusiasts were legal! [NO radio regulating agency active in
the USA in 1911]


And no "Len Anderson" was active in 1911, antagonizing and telling those
radio enthusiasts then (who WERE legal, Lennie...sorry...) how to go about
doing what they were doing.

Lessee, if he was around back then........ He would probably have been
a civil war vet.

And he would have been a member of the Military telegraph service.
Could tell all those radio Ops about real telagraphy.....

hehe, I like that!

- Mike KB3EIA -

FYI: My research shows:
Before 1912, call signs were just made up by the aspiring Amateur and it
wasn't until the Radio Act of 1912 that the first licenses were issued. An
HTML version of Early Radio Laws 4 is on-line. Very interesting reading as
it defines DE, CQ, Operating Procedures, Morse Code of the day, and many Q
Signals we still use. In 1911, Hiram Percy Maxim's assumed call was SNY. In
1912, Irving Vermilya, 1ZE, 6 received Skill Certificate No. 1, thus
considered as the first licensed Amateur Radio Operator. Some sources
indicate the code requirement was 5 wpm (how things go around and come
around - 5 wpm now in the year 2000!!!). Written exams included essay type
questions -- making a diagram of transmitting and receiving apparatus and
how they worked! Also of course International and US Law questions.


--
Caveat Lecter



"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote:

Subject: Mode/Band Use in 1961
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/16/2004 7:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


In fact, there was NO ARRL and NONE of the amateur radio enthusiasts
were legal! [NO radio regulating agency active in
the USA in 1911]


And no "Len Anderson" was active in 1911, antagonizing and telling
those
radio enthusiasts then (who WERE legal, Lennie...sorry...) how to go
about
doing what they were doing.

Lessee, if he was around back then........ He would probably have been a
civil war vet.

And he would have been a member of the Military telegraph service. Could
tell all those radio Ops about real telagraphy.....

hehe, I like that!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Subject: Mode/Band Use in 1961
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/16/2004 7:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In fact, there was NO ARRL and NONE of the amateur radio
enthusiasts were legal! [NO radio regulating agency active in
the USA in 1911]

And no "Len Anderson" was active in 1911, antagonizing and telling
those
radio enthusiasts then (who WERE legal, Lennie...sorry...) how to go about
doing what they were doing.

Lessee, if he was around back then........ He would probably have been
a civil war vet.

"He" was actually a Korean War veteran, serving actively from 1952 to 1956.

When did Coslo ever serve in ANY military?

And he would have been a member of the Military telegraph service.
Could tell all those radio Ops about real telagraphy.....

For its time, that would be true...but that is supposition by the Avenging
Angle, the hero of "seven hostile actions" along with his lil buddy,
the Amateur Balloonist.

The U.S. Army Signal Corps ran the land force military telegraphy
"service" plus a lot of other communications tasks in the Army. I was
in the Signal Corps, United States Army.

The Morse-Vail Telegraph System debuted in 1844, Baltimore to Washington
DC. The U.S. Civil War did not start until 1861, seventeen years later.
There
was NO "radio" communications until 1896, 52 years after the first Morse-
Vail Telegraph service opened.

hehe, I like that!

Coslo has never served in any military. In fact, he has NOT served in ANY
"radio operator" capacity other than as an AMATEUR, a hobbyist, a
dilletante in the communications world making big noises like he was an
"operator" of high caliber. "High caliber?" No, not even shooting blanks.

It's worse with the Avenging Angle, that obtuse angle (never right), who
never worked any military communications and couldn't even make it to
military pilot despite having (allegedly) a private pilot's license since
before his military service. Wow, talk about losers!

Tsk, tsk. I'm not going to tell you anything about the U.S. Civil War
despite my late father-in-law's personal study of it nor my own reading
of the official histories of the U.S. Army Signal Corps written by the
U.S. Army Times, nor of official documents written by Signalmen of
the U.S. Army in other official and recognized documents. Do not
worry. Depend on the publishers at Newington to tell you ALL about
"radio" (at least that much they care to tell you).

You don't have to pay any attention to REAL radio operators and
maintainers who were in REAL HF worldwide communications as I was
a half century ago...nor of those government and private sector radio
operations where I was also in the following half century. All you need
to know is what Newington cares to tell you and, above all else, love
honor and cherish morse code, that imaginary paragon of "radio
operating skill" among AMATEURS.

Keep all those wonderful skills and operating standards of
amateurism alive and well long past their usefulness so that you will
finally be part of an "in group" of morsemen. Be ready for that "big
one" where you can brag about saving the world through morsemanship.

Now, one last time, how do you "serve" your country in those "other
ways" you claim? Neither you nor the Nun of the Above have answered
that question challenge on your respective claims...

did dit

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Subject: Mode/Band Use in 1961
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/16/2004 7:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In fact, there was NO ARRL and NONE of the amateur radio
enthusiasts were legal! [NO radio regulating agency active in
the USA in 1911]

And no "Len Anderson" was active in 1911, antagonizing and telling

those

radio enthusiasts then (who WERE legal, Lennie...sorry...) how to go about
doing what they were doing.

Lessee, if he was around back then........ He would probably have been
a civil war vet.


"He" was actually a Korean War veteran, serving actively from 1952 to 1956.

When did Coslo ever serve in ANY military?

Coslo has served his country for a lot longer than Lenover21 has then.


And he would have been a member of the Military telegraph service.
Could tell all those radio Ops about real telagraphy.....


For its time, that would be true...but that is supposition by the Avenging
Angle, the hero of "seven hostile actions" along with his lil buddy,
the Amateur Balloonist.

Yeah, supposition it is.

The U.S. Army Signal Corps ran the land force military telegraphy
"service" plus a lot of other communications tasks in the Army. I was
in the Signal Corps, United States Army.

Yeah, like I said....

The Morse-Vail Telegraph System debuted in 1844, Baltimore to Washington
DC. The U.S. Civil War did not start until 1861, seventeen years later.
There
was NO "radio" communications until 1896, 52 years after the first Morse-
Vail Telegraph service opened.

Right, there ya go!......

hehe, I like that!


Coslo has never served in any military. In fact, he has NOT served in ANY
"radio operator" capacity other than as an AMATEUR, a hobbyist, a
dilletante in the communications world making big noises like he was an
"operator" of high caliber. "High caliber?" No, not even shooting blanks.

Hmmm, I guess I touched a nerve. Sorry about that!


It's worse with the Avenging Angle, that obtuse angle (never right), who
never worked any military communications and couldn't even make it to
military pilot despite having (allegedly) a private pilot's license since
before his military service. Wow, talk about losers!

Tsk, tsk. I'm not going to tell you anything about the U.S. Civil War
despite my late father-in-law's personal study of it nor my own reading
of the official histories of the U.S. Army Signal Corps written by the
U.S. Army Times, nor of official documents written by Signalmen of
the U.S. Army in other official and recognized documents.

That's not nice, especially since I enjoy your stories! 8^(


Do not
worry. Depend on the publishers at Newington to tell you ALL about
"radio" (at least that much they care to tell you).

You don't have to pay any attention to REAL radio operators and
maintainers who were in REAL HF worldwide communications as I was
a half century ago...nor of those government and private sector radio
operations where I was also in the following half century. All you need
to know is what Newington cares to tell you and, above all else, love
honor and cherish morse code, that imaginary paragon of "radio
operating skill" among AMATEURS.

Keep all those wonderful skills and operating standards of
amateurism alive and well long past their usefulness so that you will
finally be part of an "in group" of morsemen. Be ready for that "big
one" where you can brag about saving the world through morsemanship.

You attach too much importance to Morse code testing.

Now, one last time, how do you "serve" your country in those "other
ways" you claim? Neither you nor the Nun of the Above have answered
that question challenge on your respective claims...

Suffice it to say that I do, and that I only mention it since you find
it important that I was not a member of the uniformed services. It is
your gauge, not mine.

- Mike KB3EIA -

I think the U.S.A should follow the Switzerland model of compulsary
military service for all males who are fit to serve. Two years of
active service followed by a lifetime of reserve service. Then
everyone can tell war stories.

It fits with the current theme of celebrating diversity and being
inclusive.

In article .com, "bb"
writes:

I think the U.S.A should follow the Switzerland model of compulsary
military service for all males who are fit to serve. Two years of
active service followed by a lifetime of reserve service. Then
everyone can tell war stories.

Sounds like a plan! :-)

That way EVERYONE can be a "veteran of seven hostile actions!"

Whatever they claim MUST be the truth... :-)


It fits with the current theme of celebrating diversity and being
inclusive.

Yes, in the Latin form of "primus inter pares" (first among equals).

[the only Latin oxymoron I'm aware of... :-) ]

All the PCTA are better than anyone else, even among themselves.

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Subject: Mode/Band Use in 1961
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/16/2004 7:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In fact, there was NO ARRL and NONE of the amateur radio
enthusiasts were legal! [NO radio regulating agency active in
the USA in 1911]

And no "Len Anderson" was active in 1911, antagonizing and telling
those
radio enthusiasts then (who WERE legal, Lennie...sorry...) how to go about
doing what they were doing.

Lessee, if he was around back then........ He would probably have been
a civil war vet.

"He" was actually a Korean War veteran, serving actively from 1952 to
1956.

When did Coslo ever serve in ANY military?

Coslo has served his country for a lot longer than Lenover21 has then.

In what way? :-)

"Existance?"

And he would have been a member of the Military telegraph service.
Could tell all those radio Ops about real telagraphy.....

For its time, that would be true...but that is supposition by the
Avenging
Angle, the hero of "seven hostile actions" along with his lil buddy,
the Amateur Balloonist.

Yeah, supposition it is.

I'm still working on trying to find out what "telagraphy" is. :-)

The U.S. Army Signal Corps ran the land force military telegraphy
"service" plus a lot of other communications tasks in the Army. I was
in the Signal Corps, United States Army.

Yeah, like I said....

Ah, but you did NOT "say" anything remotely similar. Tsk.

The Morse-Vail Telegraph System debuted in 1844, Baltimore to Washington
DC. The U.S. Civil War did not start until 1861, seventeen years later.

There was NO "radio" communications until 1896, 52 years after the first
Morse-Vail Telegraph service opened.

Right, there ya go!......

It is recorded history. Try reading about it...other than just from the
press at Newington.

hehe, I like that!

Coslo has never served in any military. In fact, he has NOT served in
ANY
"radio operator" capacity other than as an AMATEUR, a hobbyist, a
dilletante in the communications world making big noises like he was an
"operator" of high caliber. "High caliber?" No, not even shooting
blanks.

Hmmm, I guess I touched a nerve. Sorry about that!

You don't deny it.

It's worse with the Avenging Angle, that obtuse angle (never right), who
never worked any military communications and couldn't even make it to
military pilot despite having (allegedly) a private pilot's license since
before his military service. Wow, talk about losers!

Tsk, tsk. I'm not going to tell you anything about the U.S. Civil War
despite my late father-in-law's personal study of it nor my own reading
of the official histories of the U.S. Army Signal Corps written by the
U.S. Army Times, nor of official documents written by Signalmen of
the U.S. Army in other official and recognized documents.

That's not nice, especially since I enjoy your stories! 8^(

I don't think you "enjoy" them at all, but are rather looking for an
opportunity to "stick" any NCTA. Aggressive-compulsive behavior
common to the more violent sports like hockey (or lately)
basketball.

Do not
worry. Depend on the publishers at Newington to tell you ALL about
"radio" (at least that much they care to tell you).

You don't have to pay any attention to REAL radio operators and
maintainers who were in REAL HF worldwide communications as I was
a half century ago...nor of those government and private sector radio
operations where I was also in the following half century. All you need
to know is what Newington cares to tell you and, above all else, love
honor and cherish morse code, that imaginary paragon of "radio
operating skill" among AMATEURS.

Keep all those wonderful skills and operating standards of
amateurism alive and well long past their usefulness so that you will
finally be part of an "in group" of morsemen. Be ready for that "big
one" where you can brag about saving the world through morsemanship.

You attach too much importance to Morse code testing.

Not in THIS venue which is supposedly about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY,
not world socio-politics as some want it.

Now, one last time, how do you "serve" your country in those "other
ways" you claim? Neither you nor the Nun of the Above have answered
that question challenge on your respective claims...

Suffice it to say that I do, and that I only mention it since you find
it important that I was not a member of the uniformed services. It is
your gauge, not mine.

So...you CANNOT answer. Because you have NONE?

No matter.

Merry Christmas and good will to all men...

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:


In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Subject: Mode/Band Use in 1961
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/16/2004 7:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In fact, there was NO ARRL and NONE of the amateur radio
enthusiasts were legal! [NO radio regulating agency active in
the USA in 1911]

And no "Len Anderson" was active in 1911, antagonizing and telling

those

radio enthusiasts then (who WERE legal, Lennie...sorry...) how to go about
doing what they were doing.

Lessee, if he was around back then........ He would probably have been
a civil war vet.

"He" was actually a Korean War veteran, serving actively from 1952 to

1956.

When did Coslo ever serve in ANY military?

Coslo has served his country for a lot longer than Lenover21 has then.


In what way? :-)


Ahh, you told me that it was the last time you were going to ask in your
last post

"Existance?"

Existance?

And he would have been a member of the Military telegraph service.
Could tell all those radio Ops about real telagraphy.....

For its time, that would be true...but that is supposition by the
Avenging

Angle, the hero of "seven hostile actions" along with his lil buddy,
the Amateur Balloonist.

Yeah, supposition it is.


I'm still working on trying to find out what "telagraphy" is. :-)

I could user a good proofreader now and again... 8^)


The U.S. Army Signal Corps ran the land force military telegraphy
"service" plus a lot of other communications tasks in the Army. I was
in the Signal Corps, United States Army.

Yeah, like I said....

Ah, but you did NOT "say" anything remotely similar. Tsk.

What I said was about you relating your stories to us...


The Morse-Vail Telegraph System debuted in 1844, Baltimore to Washington
DC. The U.S. Civil War did not start until 1861, seventeen years later.

There was NO "radio" communications until 1896, 52 years after the first
Morse-Vail Telegraph service opened.

Right, there ya go!......


It is recorded history. Try reading about it...other than just from the
press at Newington.
hehe, I like that!

Coslo has never served in any military. In fact, he has NOT served in

ANY

"radio operator" capacity other than as an AMATEUR, a hobbyist, a
dilletante in the communications world making big noises like he was an
"operator" of high caliber. "High caliber?" No, not even shooting
blanks.

Hmmm, I guess I touched a nerve. Sorry about that!


You don't deny it.

I is definitely a dilettante.

It's worse with the Avenging Angle, that obtuse angle (never right), who
never worked any military communications and couldn't even make it to
military pilot despite having (allegedly) a private pilot's license since
before his military service. Wow, talk about losers!

Tsk, tsk. I'm not going to tell you anything about the U.S. Civil War
despite my late father-in-law's personal study of it nor my own reading
of the official histories of the U.S. Army Signal Corps written by the
U.S. Army Times, nor of official documents written by Signalmen of
the U.S. Army in other official and recognized documents.

That's not nice, especially since I enjoy your stories! 8^(


I don't think you "enjoy" them at all, but are rather looking for an
opportunity to "stick" any NCTA.

Incorrect.

Aggressive-compulsive behavior
common to the more violent sports like hockey (or lately)
basketball.

Won't deny that, though I restrict my more physical activity to other
participants, not the fans.


Do not
worry. Depend on the publishers at Newington to tell you ALL about
"radio" (at least that much they care to tell you).

You don't have to pay any attention to REAL radio operators and
maintainers who were in REAL HF worldwide communications as I was
a half century ago...nor of those government and private sector radio
operations where I was also in the following half century. All you need
to know is what Newington cares to tell you and, above all else, love
honor and cherish morse code, that imaginary paragon of "radio
operating skill" among AMATEURS.

Keep all those wonderful skills and operating standards of
amateurism alive and well long past their usefulness so that you will
finally be part of an "in group" of morsemen. Be ready for that "big
one" where you can brag about saving the world through morsemanship.

You attach too much importance to Morse code testing.


Not in THIS venue which is supposedly about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY,
not world socio-politics as some want it.

Sigh, there hasn't been much talk in here about Morse lately, which is
just fine with me. You really should start a moderated group, in which
all participants *have* to talk about Morse code.


Now, one last time, how do you "serve" your country in those "other
ways" you claim? Neither you nor the Nun of the Above have answered
that question challenge on your respective claims...

Suffice it to say that I do, and that I only mention it since you find
it important that I was not a member of the uniformed services. It is
your gauge, not mine.

So...you CANNOT answer. Because you have NONE?

Yeah, that's right, I have none, that's the ticket! Believe that if you
wish. 8^)

That would be an idiotic thing to lie about.

No matter.

Indeed.

Merry Christmas and good will to all men...

Enjoy the holidays Len.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


When did Coslo ever serve in ANY military?

Coslo has served his country for a lot longer than Lenover21 has then.

In what way? :-)

Ahh, you told me that it was the last time you were going to ask in your
last post

IN WHAT WAY???

You are trying to be clever and obfuscate with a non-answer.

That only proves you have NO answer at all.


I'm still working on trying to find out what "telagraphy" is. :-)

I could user a good proofreader now and again... 8^)

I'm sure you could "user" a lot of things...


The U.S. Army Signal Corps ran the land force military telegraphy
"service" plus a lot of other communications tasks in the Army. I was
in the Signal Corps, United States Army.

Yeah, like I said....

Ah, but you did NOT "say" anything remotely similar. Tsk.

What I said was about you relating your stories to us...

I just relate factual history, uncolored by morsemanship bias
from the BoD at Newington.


I don't think you "enjoy" them at all, but are rather looking for an
opportunity to "stick" any NCTA.

Incorrect.

My OPINION is my OPINION. You cannot call it "incorrect" or
"correct." By observation of your postings, you DO like to "pick
on" those who do not favor any morse code test.


Not in THIS venue which is supposedly about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY,
not world socio-politics as some want it.

Sigh, there hasn't been much talk in here about Morse lately, which is
just fine with me. You really should start a moderated group, in which
all participants *have* to talk about Morse code.

THIS NEWSGROUP was BEGUN to take the morse code test
controversy off of rec.radio.amateur.misc.

You are NOT, nor ever were, any "moderator" in here. This
newsgroup is an UNmoderated one and open to anyone with
access to the Internet.

YOU do NOT "own" anything in here just by existing here, despite
your apparent territorial imperative feelings.


Suffice it to say that I do, and that I only mention it since you find
it important that I was not a member of the uniformed services. It is
your gauge, not mine.

So...you CANNOT answer. Because you have NONE?

Yeah, that's right, I have none, that's the ticket! Believe that if you

wish. 8^)

Still a NON-answer. Are you afraid of the truth?

That would be an idiotic thing to lie about.

It is done all the time by the "Rambo-wannabees." In some cases by
"militia" people going out and playing sojer in da woods and posturing
about their "warriorhood." Ptui.


Merry Christmas and good will to all men...

Enjoy the holidays Len.

Thank you, I always do.

However, no bets on the "traditional" hypocritical posting to come
before Christmas where the Avenging Angle borrows all the trite
phrases to "wish everyone a happy holiday"...even to his "opponents"
who he calls all kinds of names all the other days of the year. :-)


So...what mode/band did Coslo use in 1961? :-)