2) General Class (Upgrade Techs upon renewal, change of
address, etc.)
Top 2/3 of each cw and ssb band on HF 160, 80, 40, 30, 20, 17,
15, 12, and all 10 meters. Max Power 500 Watts (even in
novice bands)

Power levels are hard to enforce from a remote listening
post. Frequency is easily enforced; that's why they
do subbands for differing license grades.

Full 60 Meter as regulated.
All V/UHF priviliges up to 500 watts.

3) Amateur Extra Class (Upgrade Advanced upon renewal etc.)
All HF VHF and UHF priviliges with 1500 watts. (except 60 or
others as regulated.)
Require element 1 and the same tough exam.

THe FCC was thinking that if they get rid of code tests,
that would reduce workload and administration duties.
Keeping code for extras and not generals doesn't get
them this. In which case they may decide to leave things
as is.

This may create incentives for upgrade and reward those who do so.

Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:11:18 GMT, robert casey wrote:

Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.

Revalent ?? What dat means English ?? ggg

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:11:18 GMT, robert casey wrote:


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.


Revalent ?? What dat means English ?? ggg


Oh, it's one of those words I can't spell and the stupid
spell checker can't figure out. The word that means stuff
that is logically connected to a goal and sensible. Code
was very realivlent 50 years ago but less so today. Damn
spell checker still can't get it....

"robert casey" wrote in message
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Phil Kane wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:11:18 GMT, robert casey wrote:


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.


Revalent ?? What dat means English ?? ggg


Oh, it's one of those words I can't spell and the stupid
spell checker can't figure out. The word that means stuff
that is logically connected to a goal and sensible. Code
was very realivlent 50 years ago but less so today. Damn
spell checker still can't get it....

This is why real (paper) dictionaries still exist. Just by looking up the
first three letters (rel...) one can scan the entries and find it and thus
find how to spell it. Just an example of how "old" methods have relevance to
modern life.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:12:07 GMT, robert casey wrote:

Revalent ?? What dat means English ?? ggg

Oh, it's one of those words I can't spell and the stupid
spell checker can't figure out. The word that means stuff
that is logically connected to a goal and sensible. Code
was very realivlent 50 years ago but less so today. Damn
spell checker still can't get it....

"realivlent" ? Do you mean "real-alive-ment"?? ggg

(Good one, Robert....!!)

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the things
we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the privilege
itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the privileges
are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the
things we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the
privilege itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Oh, so everything else is messed up, so ham radio should be messed up too?
Even if I thought it were true, that would still be the worst argument I
have heard yet, ROTFLMAO!

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
.. .
"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the privileges
are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the
things we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the
privilege itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Oh, so everything else is messed up, so ham radio should be messed up too?
Even if I thought it were true, that would still be the worst argument I
have heard yet, ROTFLMAO!



It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a very
effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't want to do
is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want. Parents do it all the
time.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a very
effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't want to do
is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want. Parents do it all the
time.


It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents. What does the FCC get out of requiring
element 1 nowadays? The treaty requirement is gone, and
no other service uses Morse code anymore. Radio equipment
is more reliable today than 50 years ago. Stuff that took
20 vacuum tubes to do are now on a few ICs, and usually it's the
batteries that crap out before anything else goes out. The
old argument that code equipment is simple and thus more
reliable doesn't really mean much today as it did 50 years
ago.

If we want to attract younger people to ham radio, it
would be counter productive to require stuff no longer
relevant to get the license. There's many other activities
that don't require licenses that one could do, and they
could do exactly the interesting parts and ignore the
parts not interesting.

"robert casey" wrote in message
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It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a
very effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't
want to do is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want. Parents
do it all the time.


It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents. What does the FCC get out of requiring
element 1 nowadays? The treaty requirement is gone, and
no other service uses Morse code anymore. Radio equipment
is more reliable today than 50 years ago. Stuff that took
20 vacuum tubes to do are now on a few ICs, and usually it's the
batteries that crap out before anything else goes out. The
old argument that code equipment is simple and thus more
reliable doesn't really mean much today as it did 50 years
ago.

If we want to attract younger people to ham radio, it
would be counter productive to require stuff no longer
relevant to get the license. There's many other activities
that don't require licenses that one could do, and they
could do exactly the interesting parts and ignore the
parts not interesting.

Actually it appears as if it IS the code that attracts young people simply
because it is different. It's the middle aged people who seem to object
most strenuously.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE