"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the
privileges are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the things
we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the privilege
itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the privileges
are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the
things we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the
privilege itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Oh, so everything else is messed up, so ham radio should be messed up too?
Even if I thought it were true, that would still be the worst argument I
have heard yet, ROTFLMAO!

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the privileges
are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the
things we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the
privilege itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Oh, so everything else is messed up, so ham radio should be messed up too?
Even if I thought it were true, that would still be the worst argument I
have heard yet, ROTFLMAO!



It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a very
effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't want to do
is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want. Parents do it all the
time.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a very
effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't want to do
is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want. Parents do it all the
time.


It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents. What does the FCC get out of requiring
element 1 nowadays? The treaty requirement is gone, and
no other service uses Morse code anymore. Radio equipment
is more reliable today than 50 years ago. Stuff that took
20 vacuum tubes to do are now on a few ICs, and usually it's the
batteries that crap out before anything else goes out. The
old argument that code equipment is simple and thus more
reliable doesn't really mean much today as it did 50 years
ago.

If we want to attract younger people to ham radio, it
would be counter productive to require stuff no longer
relevant to get the license. There's many other activities
that don't require licenses that one could do, and they
could do exactly the interesting parts and ignore the
parts not interesting.

"robert casey" wrote in message
ink.net...




It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a
very effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't
want to do is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want. Parents
do it all the time.


It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents. What does the FCC get out of requiring
element 1 nowadays? The treaty requirement is gone, and
no other service uses Morse code anymore. Radio equipment
is more reliable today than 50 years ago. Stuff that took
20 vacuum tubes to do are now on a few ICs, and usually it's the
batteries that crap out before anything else goes out. The
old argument that code equipment is simple and thus more
reliable doesn't really mean much today as it did 50 years
ago.

If we want to attract younger people to ham radio, it
would be counter productive to require stuff no longer
relevant to get the license. There's many other activities
that don't require licenses that one could do, and they
could do exactly the interesting parts and ignore the
parts not interesting.

Actually it appears as if it IS the code that attracts young people simply
because it is different. It's the middle aged people who seem to object
most strenuously.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in
:


"robert casey" wrote in message
ink.net...




It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that
a very effective way to motivate people to do something that they
don't want to do is to tie it to a privilege that they very much
want. Parents do it all the time.


It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents. What does the FCC get out of requiring
element 1 nowadays? The treaty requirement is gone, and
no other service uses Morse code anymore. Radio equipment
is more reliable today than 50 years ago. Stuff that took
20 vacuum tubes to do are now on a few ICs, and usually it's the
batteries that crap out before anything else goes out. The
old argument that code equipment is simple and thus more
reliable doesn't really mean much today as it did 50 years ago.

If we want to attract younger people to ham radio, it
would be counter productive to require stuff no longer
relevant to get the license. There's many other activities
that don't require licenses that one could do, and they
could do exactly the interesting parts and ignore the parts not
interesting.

Actually it appears as if it IS the code that attracts young people
simply because it is different. It's the middle aged people who seem
to object most strenuously.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Children find the code a novelty, but that doesn't mean that they are
prepared to learn it

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
.. .
"Dee Flint" wrote in
:


"robert casey" wrote in message
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It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that
a very effective way to motivate people to do something that they
don't want to do is to tie it to a privilege that they very much
want. Parents do it all the time.


It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents. What does the FCC get out of requiring
element 1 nowadays? The treaty requirement is gone, and
no other service uses Morse code anymore. Radio equipment
is more reliable today than 50 years ago. Stuff that took
20 vacuum tubes to do are now on a few ICs, and usually it's the
batteries that crap out before anything else goes out. The
old argument that code equipment is simple and thus more
reliable doesn't really mean much today as it did 50 years ago.

If we want to attract younger people to ham radio, it
would be counter productive to require stuff no longer
relevant to get the license. There's many other activities
that don't require licenses that one could do, and they
could do exactly the interesting parts and ignore the parts not
interesting.

Actually it appears as if it IS the code that attracts young people
simply because it is different. It's the middle aged people who seem
to object most strenuously.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Children find the code a novelty, but that doesn't mean that they are
prepared to learn it

They seem better prepared and more willing than many adults.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:26:31 GMT, robert casey wrote:

It's one thing for parents to do that sort of thing, but the FCC
isn't our parents.

Go to your room without supper.... ggg

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"robert casey" wrote in message
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Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the privileges
are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the
things we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the
privilege itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Oh, so everything else is messed up, so ham radio should be messed up
too? Even if I thought it were true, that would still be the worst
argument I have heard yet, ROTFLMAO!



It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a
very effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't
want to do is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want.
Parents do it all the time.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




So treat prospective hams like errant children?

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
.. .
"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
.. .
"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"robert casey" wrote in message
ink.net...


Earn your priviliges. It isn't impossible.


Just be sure that the things one needs to do to earn the privileges
are revalent to modern ham radio.

Why should ham radio be different than other activities? Most of the
things we do to gain privileges in this world are not relevant to the
privilege itself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Oh, so everything else is messed up, so ham radio should be messed up
too? Even if I thought it were true, that would still be the worst
argument I have heard yet, ROTFLMAO!



It does not mean that things are messed up. It is simply a fact that a
very effective way to motivate people to do something that they don't
want to do is to tie it to a privilege that they very much want.
Parents do it all the time.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




So treat prospective hams like errant children?

No not at all. Let's use a workplace example instead. Many people, even if
they like their jobs, do have elements of the work they don't like. However
they get a reward or privilege in the form of money for performing those
elements.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE