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Mel A. Nomah wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... : : Yes I do. The flight suit is PPE...Personal Protective Equipment : as defined by OSHA. : More commonly called a "poopy suit". When I saw your photo on QRZ.com it suddenly became clear where that name came from. Says it is defined by OSHA. OSHA is heavy into military fashion wear. M.A.N. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire It's as if you prayed for Steve to appear in a flight suit, and your prayer was answered. He couldn't be more ridiculous unless he had medals pinned to it, too. |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian. It was. No, there wasn't. Yes, there was. No, there wasn't. "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't LIKE it is one thing... You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying. I'm not lying, Brian. Lie #10 this week? You haven't presented #1, Steve, do a search on "Robeson" and "liar." You've presented all of your lies under your own signature. Vaporware, Brian. Vaporware. You claim there are lies. I've been asking you to substantiate the claim. You have not. You furhter exacerbate your own situation by making even MORE assertions without corroborating facts. Oh well. Vaporware? Your lies are so obvious. Like claiming Len disapproved of your lying thread 30 hours before he posted anything at all. Hi! Brian, so how could this be #10? You and Todd need to see if you can carpool...Him for remedial English, you for remedial math. There's nothing wrong with my math. Sure there is. In that line you claim there's "10" lies. You've yet to substantiate "1". You can't raise a building without a foundation. And you can't get to "10" without having started at "1". Counting your lies isn't heavy construction. More like tinker toys. If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then what can I trust? Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your "information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what you "know"... I know you're a liar. You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are. You've proven your self to be a liar this past week, and many many times previously. Then why can't we get you to provide the cites? Where's the proof of your assertions, Brian? You lie. That's enough for me. You say I've lied. I've repeatedly asked you to substantiate that claim. You never have. That would put the onus of liar upon you, Brian. (Not that it ever LEFT you...) Sorry. Your lies are obvious and numerous. Anyone with just a few moments could find a handful. I saw your lies the first time around; seeing them again might spoil my day. Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule. Not from here. Did you fill them in? I can fill those scehdules with 6 people for 48 hours of 24h coverage, Brian...Why couldn't you? Whoa! After you posted "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" you linked us to a website that showed that this was a four day exercise. So why are you trying to make it into a two day exercise again? More lies and misdirection? Nope....I can still fill even a 96 hour assignment with six operators for four days. You can't without abusing the volunteers. YOU keep saying only two. That's even better. Nope. 96 hours. Do you want me to do the math so you'll know how many days that is? And without working any one or several individual(s) a double shift, and maintaining the requirement of three person shifts of qualified communicators... No all communicators need to be at the mic for the whole 24hours. Teams of three, Steve, teams of three. Be sure there are three qualified communicators on shift at all times. Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48 hour period that they are participating... Correction. Two teams of 3 people each. Two teams...Six people...Yeah...SIX is what I said, Brian. So show me your 96 hour schedule. Day one. Team one. Operator 1A comes on duty at 0600 until 1600. Operator 1B comes on duty at 1000 until 2000. Operator 1C comes on at 2000 and maintains watch until 0600 Hi, hi, hi! You couldn't even get through the first six hours without blowing it. Then there are gaping holes in the rest of the very first day's schedule. Phil said they were required to have three qualified operators per shift, and you couldn't follow the rules even this once. You just had to start changing the rules and winging it so that my opinion would be "WRONG!" and you could call me a "LIAR!" again. Poor Steve. Some supervisor and schedule writer you are. You're fired. Do you pull these stunts in the ER? Do you pull them in the cockpit? Did you pull them in the USMC? |
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Steve, do a search on "Robeson" and "liar." You've presented all of your lies under your own signature. Vaporware, Brian. Vaporware. You claim there are lies. I've been asking you to substantiate the claim. You have not. You furhter exacerbate your own situation by making even MORE assertions without corroborating facts. Oh well. Vaporware? Your lies are so obvious. Like claiming Len disapproved of your lying thread 30 hours before he posted anything at all. And here YOU are still trying to misrepresent what was said. You didn't go back and READ what I had said about Lennie, his rantings against me, etc. Brian...S L O W D O W N A N D R E A D W H A T W A S P O S T E D ! ! ! ! ! Brian, so how could this be #10? You and Todd need to see if you can carpool...Him for remedial English, you for remedial math. There's nothing wrong with my math. Sure there is. In that line you claim there's "10" lies. You've yet to substantiate "1". You can't raise a building without a foundation. And you can't get to "10" without having started at "1". Counting your lies isn't heavy construction. More like tinker toys. You keep avoiding the truth, Brian. You've been asked to cite the lies. All you do is make more cutesy rhetoric about how much I allegedly lie. In other words, you can't do it. It enver happened. You lie. That's enough for me. You say I've lied. I've repeatedly asked you to substantiate that claim. You never have. That would put the onus of liar upon you, Brian. (Not that it ever LEFT you...) Sorry. Your lies are obvious and numerous. Anyone with just a few moments could find a handful. I saw your lies the first time around; seeing them again might spoil my day. In other words you've made yet more claims about others for which there is no fact or validation. Brian P. Burke continues his characteristic deceit and lying. Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule. Not from here. Did you fill them in? I can fill those scehdules with 6 people for 48 hours of 24h coverage, Brian...Why couldn't you? Whoa! After you posted "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" you linked us to a website that showed that this was a four day exercise. So why are you trying to make it into a two day exercise again? More lies and misdirection? Nope....I can still fill even a 96 hour assignment with six operators for four days. You can't without abusing the volunteers. OK, Brian, what's YOUR definition of "abusing volunteers"...?!?! I've now provided FOUR scenarios where avaialable resoures could be employed working shifts of 4, 8, 10 or 12 hours. NEVER with less hours off between shifts than the number of hours they "worked". YOU keep saying only two. That's even better. Nope. 96 hours. Do you want me to do the math so you'll know how many days that is? Doesn't matter, Brian. Two days. Four. Six. And without working any one or several individual(s) a double shift, and maintaining the requirement of three person shifts of qualified communicators... No all communicators need to be at the mic for the whole 24hours. Teams of three, Steve, teams of three. Be sure there are three qualified communicators on shift at all times. And again, Brian. not all "operators" are going to be on a mic the whole shift. Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48 hour period that they are participating... Correction. Two teams of 3 people each. Two teams...Six people...Yeah...SIX is what I said, Brian. So show me your 96 hour schedule. Day one. Team one. Operator 1A comes on duty at 0600 until 1600. Operator 1B comes on duty at 1000 until 2000. Operator 1C comes on at 2000 and maintains watch until 0600 Hi, hi, hi! You couldn't even get through the first six hours without blowing it. Then there are gaping holes in the rest of the very first day's schedule. There's no "gaping holes", Brian. Thee ARE periods of overlap and still using two teams of three. Phil said they were required to have three qualified operators per shift, and you couldn't follow the rules even this once. You just had to start changing the rules and winging it so that my opinion would be "WRONG!" and you could call me a "LIAR!" again. Poor Steve. There are three operators there, Brian. Not all three have to be on the mic, Brian. The criteria was met, Brian. Some supervisor and schedule writer you are. You're fired. Do you pull these stunts in the ER? Do you pull them in the cockpit? Did you pull them in the USMC? What "stunts", Brian? You mean making sure that the needs of the mission were met with limited resources in such a way that all obligations were met? Sorry you're standing there with egg on your face, Brian...The numbers work. The format works. YOUR assertion that you could get six volunteers to cover 48 (or 96) hours DID'T. Try again, Brian. Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Steve, do a search on "Robeson" and "liar." You've presented all of your lies under your own signature. Vaporware, Brian. Vaporware. You claim there are lies. I've been asking you to substantiate the claim. You have not. You furhter exacerbate your own situation by making even MORE assertions without corroborating facts. Oh well. Vaporware? Your lies are so obvious. Like claiming Len disapproved of your lying thread 30 hours before he posted anything at all. And here YOU are still trying to misrepresent what was said. You didn't go back and READ what I had said about Lennie, his rantings against me, etc. Brian...S L O W D O W N A N D R E A D W H A T W A S P O S T E D ! ! ! ! ! 30 hours before he posted a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. Brian, so how could this be #10? You and Todd need to see if you can carpool...Him for remedial English, you for remedial math. There's nothing wrong with my math. Sure there is. In that line you claim there's "10" lies. You've yet to substantiate "1". You can't raise a building without a foundation. And you can't get to "10" without having started at "1". Counting your lies isn't heavy construction. More like tinker toys. You keep avoiding the truth, Brian. You've been asked to cite the lies. All you do is make more cutesy rhetoric about how much I allegedly lie. In other words, you can't do it. It enver happened. You recently admitted to lie #17. No apology to Len yet. You lie. That's enough for me. You say I've lied. I've repeatedly asked you to substantiate that claim. You never have. That would put the onus of liar upon you, Brian. (Not that it ever LEFT you...) Sorry. Your lies are obvious and numerous. Anyone with just a few moments could find a handful. I saw your lies the first time around; seeing them again might spoil my day. In other words you've made yet more claims about others for which there is no fact or validation. Brian P. Burke continues his characteristic deceit and lying. Steve makes an "assertion of fact" and when he's shown to be wrong, he calls it a "mistake." Anyone else states an opinion, and if they don't jump through hoops to Steve's satisfaction, gets the K4YZ "LIAR" stamp of disapproval. And people say there's no dougle-standard here. Hi! Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule. Not from here. Did you fill them in? I can fill those scehdules with 6 people for 48 hours of 24h coverage, Brian...Why couldn't you? Whoa! After you posted "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" you linked us to a website that showed that this was a four day exercise. So why are you trying to make it into a two day exercise again? More lies and misdirection? Nope....I can still fill even a 96 hour assignment with six operators for four days. You can't without abusing the volunteers. OK, Brian, what's YOUR definition of "abusing volunteers"...?!?! I've now provided FOUR scenarios where avaialable resoures could be employed working shifts of 4, 8, 10 or 12 hours. NEVER with less hours off between shifts than the number of hours they "worked". Oooh! Four hours ON, four hours OFF for 96 hours. You're sooo kind. YOU keep saying only two. That's even better. Nope. 96 hours. Do you want me to do the math so you'll know how many days that is? Doesn't matter, Brian. Two days. Four. Six. Apparently it does matter. You're the one who jumped in here with "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" If it didn't matter, why did you take it as an opportunity to take a jab at me? Oh, I see. It only matters when other people make a mistake. Doesn't matter when you do it. And people say there's no dougle-standard here. Hi! And without working any one or several individual(s) a double shift, and maintaining the requirement of three person shifts of qualified communicators... No all communicators need to be at the mic for the whole 24hours. Teams of three, Steve, teams of three. Be sure there are three qualified communicators on shift at all times. And again, Brian. not all "operators" are going to be on a mic the whole shift. You don't know that. The exercise planners specified "Teams of Three" for a reason. But of course you know better how to run "thier" exercise than they do. Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48 hour period that they are participating... Correction. Two teams of 3 people each. Two teams...Six people...Yeah...SIX is what I said, Brian. So show me your 96 hour schedule. Day one. Team one. Operator 1A comes on duty at 0600 until 1600. Operator 1B comes on duty at 1000 until 2000. Operator 1C comes on at 2000 and maintains watch until 0600 Hi, hi, hi! You couldn't even get through the first six hours without blowing it. Then there are gaping holes in the rest of the very first day's schedule. There's no "gaping holes", Brian. Thee ARE periods of overlap and still using two teams of three. Overlap??? Overlap would be having "Two Teams of Three (six qualified operators)" on duty at the same time, as in during shift change. OK, let me put it plainly. 1. You have absolutely no one on duty from 0000 to 0559hrs. 2. You're first manned shift has an UNDERlap of 2 Operators for a period of four hours. 3. And it just gets worse. You blew it. If you can't follow the plan, you need to excuse yourself from the operation. Cowboys like you aren't wanted. Phil said they were required to have three qualified operators per shift, and you couldn't follow the rules even this once. You just had to start changing the rules and winging it so that my opinion would be "WRONG!" and you could call me a "LIAR!" again. Poor Steve. There are three operators there, Brian. I'm sure the world is full of operators. Not all three have to be on the mic, Brian. When did you decide this? Oh, I see. You're treating this as an unimportant Command Post exercise where you only have to pay lip service to supporting it. The criteria was met, Brian. You failed. Some supervisor and schedule writer you are. You're fired. Do you pull these stunts in the ER? Do you pull them in the cockpit? Did you pull them in the USMC? What "stunts", Brian? You mean making sure that the needs of the mission were met with limited resources in such a way that all obligations were met? Limited resources? You told us that ARES always gets what they want. Why did you short them on requirements? Who said you get to decide what ARES needs? Sorry you're standing there with egg on your face, Brian...The numbers work. The format works. YOUR assertion that you could get six volunteers to cover 48 (or 96) hours DID'T. You were the one who said that you could get it to work. You couldn't. You failed. You left your customer completely unsupported for some of the exercise, and woefully undersupported for the remainder of the exercise. Looks like a sea gull flew over your position. |
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: You didn't go back and READ what I had said about Lennie, his rantings against me, etc. Brian...S L O W D O W N A N D R E A D W H A T W A S P O S T E D ! ! ! ! ! 30 hours before he posted a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. And what I said before S T I L L applies. It's too bad you didn't take the time and do what I suggested and GO BACK AND READ WHAT I ORIGINALLY POSTED. What I had said THEN had nothing to do with THIS NARROW THREAD, Brian, but rahter Lennie's history of newsgroup antagonism both towards me in particular and the group in general. Brian P. Burke continues his characteristic deceit and lying. Steve makes an "assertion of fact" and when he's shown to be wrong, he calls it a "mistake." Anyone else states an opinion, and if they don't jump through hoops to Steve's satisfaction, gets the K4YZ "LIAR" stamp of disapproval. And people say there's no dougle-standard here. There's no "double standard", Brian. I made a mistake on the math AND apologized for it. However YOU have never been even as REMOTELY forthcoming with any such "admissions of error"... The most recent of which was YOUR assertion of how "overblown" (your words" ARES and it's value as an emergency asset was and how it wouldn't be able to respond for various reasons. In the last 72 hours, give or take, I've posted no fewer than four references that have proved you WRONG on so many levels... But not a single word of acknowledgement of error. OK, Brian, what's YOUR definition of "abusing volunteers"...?!?! I've now provided FOUR scenarios where avaialable resoures could be employed working shifts of 4, 8, 10 or 12 hours. NEVER with less hours off between shifts than the number of hours they "worked". Oooh! Four hours ON, four hours OFF for 96 hours. You're sooo kind. I still made my point. You were wrong there too. YOU keep saying only two. That's even better. Nope. 96 hours. Do you want me to do the math so you'll know how many days that is? Doesn't matter, Brian. Two days. Four. Six. Apparently it does matter. You're the one who jumped in here with "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" And you were. Still are, as far as I can see. If it didn't matter, why did you take it as an opportunity to take a jab at me? Because you provide so many of them, Brian... Oh, I see. It only matters when other people make a mistake. Doesn't matter when you do it. And people say there's no dougle-standard here. Why do you keep saying "Hi!"...?!?! And there's no "double standard" here. And without working any one or several individual(s) a double shift, and maintaining the requirement of three person shifts of qualified communicators... No all communicators need to be at the mic for the whole 24hours. Teams of three, Steve, teams of three. Be sure there are three qualified communicators on shift at all times. And again, Brian. not all "operators" are going to be on a mic the whole shift. You don't know that. The exercise planners specified "Teams of Three" for a reason. But of course you know better how to run "thier" exercise than they do. And I "covered" the shifts. Overlap??? Overlap would be having "Two Teams of Three (six qualified operators)" on duty at the same time, as in during shift change. OK, let me put it plainly. 1. You have absolutely no one on duty from 0000 to 0559hrs. Unless the exercise starts at 0000, Brain, you're way wrong. 2. You're first manned shift has an UNDERlap of 2 Operators for a period of four hours. "You're"...?!?! You keep slapping me with some "double standard" about stuff, but seem to forget it when you make typos. The first operator starts at 0800. S/he goes until 1600. (10 hours) The second operator comes on at 1000 and goes until 2000. That's double coverage from 1000-1600. We can reasonbly stretch that to double coverage until 1800 if the first operator works a 12 hour shift. Again, not an unreasonable expectation. The third operator comes on at 2000 until 0800. I have yet, in over 30+ years of Hamming, to participate in an "exercise" that required anything more. Team "A" covered 24 hours. And I have the SAME 30+ years of ACTUAL experience at various "missions" that worked with similar parameters "just fine". 3. And it just gets worse. How? You blew it. If you can't follow the plan, you need to excuse yourself from the operation. Cowboys like you aren't wanted. No, Brain...YOU just have the expectation that you'll get to the EOC, have a couple donuts, a cup of coffee, have an eyeball QSO with "the guys" then head on home, having "worked all day" after four hours. YOU consider anything more as "abused". When did you decide this? Oh, I see. You're treating this as an unimportant Command Post exercise where you only have to pay lip service to supporting it. Nope. The first operator is the Team Leader. S/he arrives to make the morning brief, get tasking assignments, and ensure the station's ready to go. The second opertor arrives ready to go to work after getting a brief from the team leader. By this time the mission is in motion. The third operator arrives to wrap up the afternoon and maintain radio watch through the night. The criteria was met, Brian. You failed. No I didn't. You don't like the numbers, but oh well..They work. Some supervisor and schedule writer you are. You're fired. Do you pull these stunts in the ER? Do you pull them in the cockpit? Did you pull them in the USMC? What "stunts", Brian? You mean making sure that the needs of the mission were met with limited resources in such a way that all obligations were met? Limited resources? You told us that ARES always gets what they want. Why did you short them on requirements? Who said you get to decide what ARES needs? WHOA ! ! ! YET ANOTHER EPISODE OF CRANIAL FLATULANCE ON THE PART OF BRIAN P BURKE! WWW HHH EEE RRR EEE did I EVER say "ARES always gets what they want"...?!?! And all that was stated herein was YOUR suggestion that it couldn't be done with the resources available. I said it could and mapped it out. You keep stompping your feet going "NO NO NO!", but it's too late. Sorry you're standing there with egg on your face, Brian...The numbers work. The format works. YOUR assertion that you could get six volunteers to cover 48 (or 96) hours DID'T. You were the one who said that you could get it to work. You couldn't. You failed. You left your customer completely unsupported for some of the exercise, and woefully undersupported for the remainder of the exercise. I've shown where it actually OVERLAPS, Brian... Looks like a sea gull flew over your position. If he did, I'll never know. Nice try, Brian. You stompped, you whined, you called me liar and tried to un-do the numbers despite the fact that they work. Sucks to be you. Now...About this assertion of yours that ARES won't respond and is "overblown"...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: Now...About this assertion of yours that ARES won't respond and is "overblown"...?!?! Still waiting for an answer to that one, Brian... And while your figuring out how you're going to dance around the initial question and the three examples I provided that DISproved your original assertion, here's yet another one: QUOTE: Radio Amateurs, ARES Group among NOAA's 2005 "Environmental Heroes" (Apr 28, 2005) -- The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has recognized four Amateur Radio operators and an Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) group among its list of 2005 Environmental Heroes. Given in conjunction with Earth Day celebrations, Environmental Hero awards honor NOAA volunteers for their tireless efforts to preserve and protect the nation's environment. UNQUOTE. It just keeps getting better and better..... Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: K4YZ wrote: Now...About this assertion of yours that ARES won't respond and is "overblown"...?!?! "Won't respond???" You'll have to Google up that one. Still waiting for an answer to that one, Brian... Why? You've answered it yourself with your own inability to write a duty schedule with available qualified radio amateur volunteers that will meet the requirements laid out by the exercise planners. Too bad for you, too bad for ARES, and too bad for Amateur Radio. Next? |
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: K4YZ wrote: Now...About this assertion of yours that ARES won't respond and is "overblown"...?!?! "Won't respond???" You'll have to Google up that one. You've insisted that ARES is overblown and won't/can't respond to any major disaster. Still waiting for an answer to that one, Brian... Why? You've answered it yourself with your own inability to write a duty schedule with available qualified radio amateur volunteers that will meet the requirements laid out by the exercise planners. And you CONTINUE TO LIE by insisting otherwise, Brain. It was done. You're story blown. Too bad for you. Too bad for you, too bad for ARES, and too bad for Amateur Radio. Too bad for YOU that your assertions were proven FALSE WEEKS ago. Next? Next? Next we'll expect you to ante up answers to all the questions still awaiting answers, Brian. Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: K4YZ wrote: Now...About this assertion of yours that ARES won't respond and is "overblown"...?!?! "Won't respond???" You'll have to Google up that one. You've insisted that ARES is overblown and won't/can't respond to any major disaster. You didn't Google it up. You lie. You'll have to Google it up or forever be known as a liar, a coward, and missing your "cajones." Still waiting for an answer to that one, Brian... Why? You've answered it yourself with your own inability to write a duty schedule with available qualified radio amateur volunteers that will meet the requirements laid out by the exercise planners. And you CONTINUE TO LIE by insisting otherwise, Brain. I don't insist otherwise. I insist on exactly what I stated above. It was done. You lie. You left the customer unsupported and undersupported. You're story blown. Too bad for you. You failed. You failed the ARES. You failed the customer. You are a failure. Too bad for you, too bad for ARES, and too bad for Amateur Radio. Too bad for YOU that your assertions were proven FALSE WEEKS ago. You falsely make claims. Untrue claims. You lie. Next? Next? Next we'll expect you to ante up answers to all the questions still awaiting answers, Brian. MARS letters of appointment. Prove your claims with authentic documents. Remember, Steve, you claimed that without documentation, the activity never happened and the person is a liar, a miscreant, and a homosexual. Are you a liar, a miscreant, and a homosexual? Show your documents. |
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: Next? Next? Next we'll expect you to ante up answers to all the questions still awaiting answers, Brian. MARS letters of appointment. Prove your claims with authentic documents. Remember, Steve, you claimed that without documentation, the activity never happened and the person is a liar, a miscreant, and a homosexual. Are you a liar, a miscreant, and a homosexual? Show your documents. And I told you they're not forthcoming. I've given you far more information to verify this ONE claim than you've ever provided for ALL of the questions before you! Care to carry on this conversation at Dayton, Brain? Or do you have another hot date...??? Steve, K4YZ |
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