bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org)

Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass
Casualty
Exercise

NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency
Service
(ARES)
members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other
states
in
the
Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's
being
characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism
response
exercise
ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US
Department
of
Homeland
Security and intended as a realistic test of the
nation's
homeland
security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way
Monday,
April
4, and continues through the week.

SNIP

As usual...rants derailed by facts.

73

Steve, K4YZ

I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len.

Who mentioned the FCC, Brain?

(1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't
Paying
Attention to Lennie?"...?!?!

(2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland
Security
and
intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland
security
system..."(SNIP)

See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN.

The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either.

And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to
extreme
mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was
derailed
on
your lack of accuracy.

And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton
of
him...

Right again.

And that's because no one outside this forum finds him
even
the
least bit accurate.

However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant
Amateur
Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous
and
well
known.

The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown.

To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot
of
time
and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier
facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on
them
in
a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...???


The utility of
amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly
aging
men,
who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies.

"Entirely dependent"...?!?!

Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is
over-running
your common sense again.

Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance
wherein
ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were
"...entirely
dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available
to
assist
in emergencies"...

For example,
you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for
ARES,
MARS,
Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet
to
reveal
to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an
emergency
room
nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are
left
hanging.

Nice try...

Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to
respond
is
irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend
time
for both CAP AND ARES.

The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio
related
response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as
Homeland
Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned.

That's not "overblown". It's the truth.

The news release was absolutely proof positive that
Lennie's
assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services
are
unfounded
and, to say the least, inaccurate.

Not entirely. It is situationally dependent.

No, it's not.

Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY
situation
in
which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did
not/could
not
respond.

Just like I said.

I forgot. You're always right.

Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to
anything
dealing with you...Like right now...

As usual, rants derailed by facts.

You're absolutely right...And you did it to
yourself...

"Hi!"

Steve, K4YZ

This isn't about me.

Sure it is.

YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on
immediate
inspection, flawed and inaccurate.

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands.

Of course you don't.

You can't.

You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when
asked
to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out
without
admitting that you don't have an adequate answer.

I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see you
being your pathetic self.

How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian?

YOU have made yet another anti-Amateur Radio statement, but then
when asked to substantiate the claim, you duck and hide, again trying
to redirect attention from YOUR silly statements.

THAT is pathetic. Not even the King's New Clothes were THAT
transparent!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org)

Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass
Casualty
Exercise

NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency
Service
(ARES)
members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other
states
in
the
Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's
being
characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism
response
exercise
ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US
Department
of
Homeland
Security and intended as a realistic test of the
nation's
homeland
security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under
way
Monday,
April
4, and continues through the week.

SNIP

As usual...rants derailed by facts.

73

Steve, K4YZ

I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len.

Who mentioned the FCC, Brain?

(1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't
Paying
Attention to Lennie?"...?!?!

(2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland
Security
and
intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland
security
system..."(SNIP)

See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN.

The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either.

And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to
extreme
mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was
derailed
on
your lack of accuracy.

And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No
meniton
of
him...

Right again.

And that's because no one outside this forum finds him
even
the
least bit accurate.

However HIS rants in this forum as to how
unimportant
Amateur
Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous
and
well
known.

The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown.

To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot
of
time
and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier
facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call
on
them
in
a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...???


The utility of
amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on
mostly
aging
men,
who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies.

"Entirely dependent"...?!?!

Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is
over-running
your common sense again.

Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE
instance
wherein
ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were
"...entirely
dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available
to
assist
in emergencies"...

For example,
you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for
ARES,
MARS,
Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet
to
reveal
to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an
emergency
room
nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP
are
left
hanging.

Nice try...

Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to
respond
is
irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to
spend
time
for both CAP AND ARES.

The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio
related
response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as
Homeland
Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned.

That's not "overblown". It's the truth.

The news release was absolutely proof positive that
Lennie's
assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services
are
unfounded
and, to say the least, inaccurate.

Not entirely. It is situationally dependent.

No, it's not.

Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY
situation
in
which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did
not/could
not
respond.

Just like I said.

I forgot. You're always right.

Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to
anything
dealing with you...Like right now...

As usual, rants derailed by facts.

You're absolutely right...And you did it to
yourself...

"Hi!"

Steve, K4YZ

This isn't about me.

Sure it is.

YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on
immediate
inspection, flawed and inaccurate.

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands.

Of course you don't.

You can't.

You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when
asked
to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out
without
admitting that you don't have an adequate answer.

I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see
you
being your pathetic self.

How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian?

I come up with "pathetic" quite easily. The word handily describes the
guy who attacks anyone who holds an opinion other than the one you
hold.

Prove you opinions.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when
asked
to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out
without
admitting that you don't have an adequate answer.

I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see
you
being your pathetic self.

How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian?

I come up with "pathetic" quite easily. The word handily describes
the
guy who attacks anyone who holds an opinion other than the one you
hold.

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw.

Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the
tone.

Prove you opinions.

My "opinions" are that you are not truthful and/or will not prove
your assertions.

(1) "I operated legally from Somalia". As of today, still not a
single reference to a single bit of evidence that corroborates your
claim.

(2) "Unlicensed devices play a major role in emergency
communications". Again, not a single bit of evidence that there is
anything but some distant, ancilliary role that "unlicensed" deveices
play in ANY emergency communications, and certainly not a single
reference to any communications plan of any organization that makes
them a "major role". Even REACT has all-but-abandoned Class D CB in
favor of using GMRS for it's operations!

(3) "I've worked enough DX from my other duty postings in Korea
and Guam to make DXCC several times over." An obvious paraphrase on my
part, but you've still not ponied up any evidence of having
accomplished DXCC even ONCE, from ANY location, let alone FROM a DXCC
location.

(4) "Amateur Radio's role in emergency services is overplayed
because in an emergency, they won't be able to respond due to too few
operators or operators unable to do it due to age or health". Again, a
paraphrase, but an accurate and very, VERY recent one. You've still
not ponied up a SINGLE example of ARES or any other Amateur Radio based
service NOT fulfilling it's promised responses. Not a one.

So there are four prime examples of YOU not substantiating YOUR
claims, thereby proving MY opinions that you are NOT truthful and that
YOU do not prove YOUR assertions.

Anything else?

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then
when
asked
to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out
without
admitting that you don't have an adequate answer.

I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I
see
you
being your pathetic self.

How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian?

I come up with "pathetic" quite easily. The word handily describes
the
guy who attacks anyone who holds an opinion other than the one you
hold.

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed
and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw.

Prove it.

Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the
tone.

Your singularly distinctive acheivement on RRAP has been "huffing up
the tone." In the past few days you've told at least four new lies.
One lie on top of another just so that you don't have to accept
responsibility for shooting off your mouth about a YL in an amateur
advertisement. I can only wonder what new lie you'll tell tomorrow to
CYA.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed
and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal
see-saw.

Prove it.

Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT.

Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the
tone.

Your singularly distinctive acheivement on RRAP has been "huffing up
the tone." In the past few days you've told at least four new lies.

You keep saying I've told these lies, yet you've not shown where
I've lied.

One lie on top of another just so that you don't have to accept
responsibility for shooting off your mouth about a YL in an amateur
advertisement. I can only wonder what new lie you'll tell tomorrow
to
CYA.

"CYA"...Very appropriate.

YOU made your own "innuendo" that Phil, K2ASP was somehow being
obligated to pull "two shifts" during an exercise due to a lack of
Amateur volunteers, an assertion you've been asked repeatedly this past
week to substantiate.

I proved with some simple elementary school math that there were
plenty of opportunities to pull "two shifts" in the 96 hour period that
TOPOFF-3 will run.

Your "response" was the above drivvel and dodge. A "non-answer"
answer.

Try again, Brian...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed
and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal
see-saw.

Prove it.

Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT.

Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?"

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed
and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal
see-saw.

Prove it.

Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT.

Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?"

You've already been provided with specific quotes that disprove
your assertion that I refered to the e-mailer as an "attacker", Brian.

So why do you persist in lying about it?

You also asked me to "prove" that I have had "opposite end" or
disagreements in this forum with others. I did so, but I see you're
weaseling your way around it.

Are these traits you teach your kids? Is snivvelling, lying and
deceit things you teach them to do at home?

Steve, K4YZ

Yep...and in this case, we'd be speaking of both of you--if you'll think
about it. GRIN The only true idiots I've had exchanges with on this
newsgroup are probably true idiots in life also. That would be the idiots
that can't have disagreements and remain fairly human in the process.

By the way, I am shocked that I happened to click on this post among those
that I scrolled this morning. Heck, this "newsgroup" has gone to ****.
Literally. What the Hell are you, Steve, and you, Brian, even doing
engaging these freaks? Do you notice that no one else (well, unless they
are posting under other IDs) of the usual gang is even posting? Where's
everyone gone? OH, and Brian, I didn't even realize "bb" is you. Is that
you, really?

Anyway...yes, Steve and Brian both, we have had disagreements. The part
about being a real human being is recognizing that it takes all kinds, that
all have something constructive to offer, and that if we all agreed with
each other it'd be a damned boring world.

Then, there are the freaks....My favorite worst freak has a name that
reminds me of bread..as in roll. LOL

GRIN

Give the board a rest and let these freaks get outta here...

Kim W5TIT


"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed
and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal
see-saw.

Prove it.

Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT.

Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?"

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed
and/or
carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal
see-saw.

Prove it.

Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT.

Ask me what?

We've had a number of disagreements here without resorting to
name-calling and such. Anybody who reads rrap for a while can
see that.

Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the
tone.

Your singularly distinctive acheivement on RRAP has been "huffing
up
the tone." In the past few days you've told at least four new
lies.

You keep saying I've told these lies, yet you've not shown where
I've lied.

Steve - do you *really* expect any proof?

If so - why?

73 de Jim, N2EY

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...

:
: So there are four prime examples of YOU not substantiating YOUR
: claims, thereby proving MY opinions that you are NOT truthful and that
: YOU do not prove YOUR assertions.
:
: Anything else?
:

Well, let's examine the record.......

"VE3SUN / AB6MW Diagnosed With Lung Cancer"

Nice 'shoot from the hip' unsubstantiated claim which you've failed to
prove. (And why are you dragging AB6MW into it? His name isn't Peter
Jennings.)

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire