From: "bb" on Wed,Apr 20 2005 5:28 pm

cl wrote:
"bb" wrote in message

That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself
included -
who can give guidance to those who ask.

cl

"Here" is all knowing.

Oh YESSS do these hams KNOW things... :-)

Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be
tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97
doesn't
say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing.

Mama Dee would simply say "It's GOOD for you..." and
withold dessert. :-)

Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it
in the governing regulations???

I'm curious about the same thing. I've gotten all
these "interpretations" on it...which are simply
RATIONALIZATIONS anywhere else.

Part 97 is one of the shortest Parts in Title 47 C.F.R.

But, above all, MORSE must SHINE as the A-number-1
thing to DO!

Strange. 52 years ago the Army didn't require me
to know any morsemanship to operate and maintain
high-power HF transmitters (a mere 3 dozen). No
license, either. A year ago, nobody required me
to possess any license to operate a privately-
owned HF SSB transceiver on a boat. NO morse
needed to operate legally below 30 MHz then.

But, the ARS (Archaic RadioTELEGRAPHY Society)
stoutly maintains that *ALL* MUST test for morse
in order to have the "qualifications" to operate
below 30 MHz! FEDERAL Test! It's the LAW!!!

It's always been done that way...CANNOT be
changed. [been told that]

"KØHB" wrote:

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities.

Thank you very much, Captain Obvious.

But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not
high enough on your priority list
to put some time into it.

I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the
audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter".

It doesn't seem that way to me, Hans. I think "whine and cry" is a
fairly accurate description. I have no sympathy for one who can't climb
the 5 wpm morse mountain in order enter the world of HF amateur radio.
None.

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to study the theory either.

Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more
green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either"

Was there anything incorrect or inaccurate in Dee's statement?

Dave K8MN

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

I've heard some weird tales about how the Signal Corps
used Draconian methods to quickly pound Morse into
the heads of their WW2 radio ops.Stories about
eight-hours-per-day seven days per weeks drills for 2-4
weeks or some such, nasty punishments for those who
"didn't get it", etc. Have you ever heard any of these tales?

I think the operative word is "tale" (civilian "legend"). I don't go
back that
far,

I realize that but you were "in the business" not too long after WW2 so
I thought maybe you'd heard some "insider's war stories" from that era.


but seems to me a draftee kid who drew Signal Corps billet would
recognize
a cushy job when he saw it and such "motiviation" wouldn't be needed.

Maybe for those who knew what was up then. But a helluva lot of
conscipts are historically cluless no matter what era and want out at
any cost and WW2 days were desperate times.

.. . who knows . . ?

=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

w3rv

Dee Flint wrote:


If you don't have room for good food then
you don't have room for junk.


Dessert is junk???? Not when K0CKB puts it on the dining table! Maybe
you need some of her recipes, if your desserts are "junk"!

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:


If you don't have room for good food then
you don't have room for junk.



Dessert is junk???? Not when K0CKB puts it on the dining table! Maybe
you need some of her recipes, if your desserts are "junk"!




Refined sugar is indeed junk. No matter how good it tastes.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


By the way I happen to think that all should be required to learn to swim
whether or not they think they may use it. I happen to consider it a basic
skill in life that all should know.


That's interesting. I tend to be more libertarian (small "l"), leaving such
decisions up to the individual rather than a societal (government?) "all should
be required" mandate. While it's easy to make the argument that swimming is a
useful skill beyond it's recreational value (just as you might make a slightly
weaker argument that Morse is a useful beyond it's recreational value), society
really has no vested interest strong enough to dictate "all should be required"
to develop the skill of swimming. If they did, then the next layer of
busy-bodies would busy themselves deciding which swimming strokes ought to be
required, which section of the beach we'd be allowed to use (depending on our
tested swimming speed), and requiring that all non-swimmers live only in arid
locations like Arizona and New Mexico.

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


..... my point that you can argue yourself out of any testing via your
argument......



No you can't.

Yes you can.

I fully support a Morse familiarity test. Cross my heart and hope to die!

I just don't support a "skill demonstration", unless you want to require a
"skill demonstration" of every knowledge area on the test, and deny licenses to
everyone who cannot demonstrate all required skills.


No other part of the testing is a skill. You can buy a Yeacomwood rig,
have other people set up your antenna and setup. You can talk into a
microphone, (assuming that people know to mash the PTT or adaptive
device that performs the same function) and it will "work". I can buy or
download and install the software that I use for PSK31. It's a major
stretch to consider that a skill. More like knowledge.

But CW is a different matter. You aren't going to read a book and sit
down at the key and start sending or receiving Morse. *Thst's* a skill.

Even with computer generated Morse and Receiving programs such as CWGet
(all which do s so-so job of the mode) it is a valuable skill which can
work with minimal equipment.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...


Refined sugar is indeed junk. No matter how good it tastes.


How did "refined sugar" enter the conversation? Clearly you need to broaden
your culinary horizons!

Good luck on this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

No other part of the testing is a skill.

My point EXACTLY, Mike.

While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of those skills
is singled out for a required demonstration.

Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill demonstration, it
would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to use it on the
air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse on the air
without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a demonstration
before a license grant!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to study the theory either.

Was there anything incorrect or inaccurate in Dee's statement?

Dave K8MN

No, and of course neither did I say there was.

It's a perfectly accurate statement, just like the following similar
statements:

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to take a shower either.

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to bathe the dog either.

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to mow the lawn either.

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to snuggle with your
spouse either.

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to eat dessert either.

Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to play baseball with
the neighborhood kids either.

Just think of all the things you'd have time to do, if you'd just have
learned Morse code and gotten it out of the way! It's a wonder
everyone doesn't know Morse code, so they'd have time to to the things
they really WANTED to do!

73, de Hans, K0HB










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