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Dee Flint June 11th 05 12:45 PM


wrote in message
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Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:


[snip]

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OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



bb June 11th 05 09:57 PM



Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:


[snip]

---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


A PCTA wants more phone privs? FISTS rampage. Hiram groans.


Mike Coslo June 11th 05 10:02 PM

wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:



I've never been able to figure out why people get their chops busted for referring to "80 meter phone".



Because 80 is CW/data and 75 is phone/image.



Look at FCC rules 97.301. They actually list 80 and 75 as
different bands, like 40 and 20. I'm not making this up.


I don't doubt you. But it seems a little odd to decide that
phone is 75 and CW and data is 80.



Oddly enough, in the "old days" the frequencies were simply
listed - no mention of wavelength at all. Using the old
designators, 3500 to 4000 kc. was A1, 3500 to 3800 kc. was F1,
3800 to 4000 kc. was A3, etc.


If you are at the bottom of the band you are at
85 meters. Same difference. (actually more, percentage-wise)
So why
would hams who insist on the precision of 75 phone and 80 CW
not also insist on 85 meter CW?



Precision has nothing to do with it. They're just simple shorthand
names that go way back.


Shall we set up a sked on 41 meters, 29 meters, 21 meters, 14 meters, 12
meters, (hey that one is right) or the 10.7 to 10.09 meter
bands?

41 meters is actually SWBC, even though it's the top of "our" 40 meter band ;-)


I get 42.8 meters at 7.0 MHz, and 41.067 meters at 7.3 MHz. Yeah, were
in the mix there....



As the SWBC moves away, things get better on 40.

---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?


Probably the latter. Certainly a lot of small bands would be very
interesting. There would be a fair amount of equipment going out of use,
which would be a shame. No doubt modifications could be made, but with
many bands, the old equipment only has so many switch positions! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo June 11th 05 10:39 PM

bb wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...

Mike Coslo wrote:

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:


[snip]


---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



A PCTA wants more phone privs? FISTS rampage. Hiram groans.


It's all black or white Brian? A PCTA or NCTA has only one way to think
and one opinion on how things are?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave Heil June 12th 05 01:05 AM

Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Mike Coslo wrote:

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:


[snip]


---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are
nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd
like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




A PCTA wants more phone privs? FISTS rampage. Hiram groans.


It's all black or white Brian? A PCTA or NCTA has only one way to
think and one opinion on how things are?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Brian seems to be of the opinion that anyone who support morse testing
operates nuttin' but CW.

Dave K8MN

bb June 12th 05 02:54 PM



Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...

Mike Coslo wrote:

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

[snip]


---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



A PCTA wants more phone privs? FISTS rampage. Hiram groans.


It's all black or white Brian? A PCTA or NCTA has only one way to think
and one opinion on how things are?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.


bb June 12th 05 02:57 PM



Dave Heil wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Mike Coslo wrote:

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:


[snip]


---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are
nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd
like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



A PCTA wants more phone privs? FISTS rampage. Hiram groans.


It's all black or white Brian? A PCTA or NCTA has only one way to
think and one opinion on how things are?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Brian seems to be of the opinion that anyone who support morse testing
operates nuttin' but CW.

Dave K8MN


Jim told me that a Morse Code Exam would be a barrier to CW use. Hi!
Some people can only think in terms of CW.


Dee Flint June 12th 05 11:10 PM


"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...


Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...

Mike Coslo wrote:

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

[snip]


---

OK, here's one to toss around:

Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in
the "60 meter" region.

Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either:

1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to
2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc..

or

2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such
as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the
same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc.

Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz
overall?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I'd vote for the 2nd one. In my opinion, the bands we have now are
nicely
space to take advantage of variations in propagation. However, I'd
like a
lot more room on both 40 meters and 30 meters. If 30m could be
widened,
then a phone section could be added.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


A PCTA wants more phone privs? FISTS rampage. Hiram groans.


It's all black or white Brian? A PCTA or NCTA has only one way to think
and one opinion on how things are?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.


There is no wall but what people create in their own minds.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



[email protected] June 14th 05 06:09 PM

From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10


"bb" wrote in message
roups.com...

Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.


There is no wall but what people create in their own minds.


There is no wall the deaf cannot hear through.

There is no wall that the blind cannot see through.

There is no wall that the paraplegic cannot walk through.

There is no wall that bars the physical being from doing
anything they dream of...

...in their DREAMS.


[email protected] June 14th 05 10:39 PM

wrote:
From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10


"bb" wrote in message
roups.com...

Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.


There is no wall but what people create in their own minds.


There is no wall the deaf cannot hear through.


Deaf people have passed the code test.

There is no wall that the blind cannot see through.


Blind people have passed the code test.

There is no wall that the paraplegic cannot walk through.


Paraplegic people have passed the code test.

There is no wall that bars the physical being from doing
anything they dream of...


...in their DREAMS.


All purposeful action starts with an idea - a dream, as it were.
First the idea, then the actions to make the idea become
a reality.

The person who will not allow him/herself to believe they can do
something is already defeated.

---

The current Morse Code test in the USA requires the correct
recognition of 25 consecutive Morse Code symbols, or correct
answers to 7 out of 10 fill-in-the-blank questions based on
5 minutes of Morse Code text. The entire text used for the
test consists of no more than 125 Morse Code symbols
transmitted in no less than 5 minutes.

This test has been compared to learning to recognize 41 words
of a foreign language, which is a fair analogy.

It seems incredible that such a simple test of such a basic
radio communication skill would be the cause of so much
controversy and acrimony from those opposed to it.



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