From: bb on Jun 27, 7:39 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 15:50

K4YZ wrote:
QUOTE from Chief Army MARS:


Obviously you didn't pay attention.

Yet you were the one who could not be bothered with MARS information
after that fateful day when you claimed, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS
Amateur Radio!"

Hi, hi!

[a day which will live in infamy? :-) ]


And you wonder why no one believes you when you claimed to be "A" NCOIC
of MARS/Okinawa.

Now, now, Brian, the ASSISTANT NCOIC is a very, very IMPORTANT
job, a Vital Service to the Nation...for being a part of the
morale boosting normally done by others in Special Services.

ASSISTANTS get to make the coffee for all those late-night
"communicating" sessions.


Been to Fort Huachuca, too, (Hq Army MARS, off to one side of
the Military Intelligence School).

They've been trying to get the smell out ever since, too.

Hi! Awesome! Great comeback! Good one! Attaboy! You go, Steve!

Tsk. Seen better "commentary" on middle school restrooms.


...to get it from the horse's mouth.

Stebie got the wrong end of his "horse" again. Tsk, tsk.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

You're calling the Chief of MARS as a horses' patoot, Lennie?

You didn't bother to read the rest of the site?

Stebie ain't been around horsies. Tsk, tsk.

He should have made some kind of remarks about the Buffalo
Soldiers. Fort Huachuca is the original home of them.

Was that in ChiefMARS comments? I missed it.

Buffalo Soldiers no use Signal Company?

The troop's buglers blew morse signals on their bugles...?

Actually, there was a "horsie-talkie" radio set, the SCR-511.
Went into production in late 1942. TM 11-245. (I have a copy)
Unfortunately, the Army had disbanded horse cavalry before
production started! :-)

Nice design idea. Operator wore a "chest unit," a flat pack
containing dry battery and a combo microphone-speaker with
old-style telephone curved horn. Right hand held the handle
at the base of the whip with a push-to-talk switch on handle,
radio box below that, and at the bottom a pole that would fit
the guidon socket on the right stirrup of a military saddle.
Left hand was free to hold reins. It went obsolete as soon as
it was delivered...


Silly Gunny, no one disputes what the Chief of Army MARS has stated.
They only dispute what you claimed, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur
Radio." Hi! Hi, hi!!!

Poor Stebie, even more brain-dead than Jim Hampton surmised.

Jim is a very polite fellow.

True. He saved Saipan once and told that story many times. :-)


All the fuss and furor over MARS was already done when Stebie's
famous statement ["Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio"]
was made. Stebie is trying to misdirect by pointing a finger
at "my error." Poor guy doesn't realize that when he points
his finger, four other fingers are pointing at HIM!

I don't point a finger, Lennie.

Battlefield injury?

His "finger" was wounded in one of those "seven hostile actions."


And it is "your error"...Proven with the comments of ChiefMARS.

Silly Gunny, no one disputes what the Chief of Army MARS has stated.
They only dispute what you claimed, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur
Radio." Hi! Hi, hi!!!

Stebie and "Chief of Army MARS" are like this: [hold two fingers
up, very far apart...]


Heh heh heh. Stebie CUTS AND PASTES from the government web
sites! [he didn't used to like that!] However, the "statement
of mission" is just worded in glorious self-illumination typical
to ALL unit or political organization statements.

NOW I SEE!

When LENNIE can quote from a website that supposedly substantiates
his "position", it's "absolute truth".

When it lands on his head, it's "glorious self-illumination"...

Uh huh...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Only a couple weeks ago you were citing from the same sources...

He just said that you protested. Did you not protest?

(It's OK. Say anything you want. We've got the truth meter calibrated
to "Robeson" so the coil won't smoke and the needle won't get bent.)

It's a wonder he doesn't set fire to himself through all that
patriotic bunting he puts on himself...even though his eyes are
burning red with the hot embers of HATE. Flammable volatile
situation.


No "glorious self-illumination" comments then, eh, Lennie....?!?!

The Chief's comments didn't do quite what you wanted them to do.

Too bad for Steve.

Stebie needs to turn in his day pass to the Halls of Montezuma.
Navy MARS doesn't run under Army MARS...but both run at the
discretion and direction of Department of Defense.


Stebie wants
to take all of those absolutely LITERALLY like a good little
soldier. Such shining lights will reflect off the medals he
bought for himself at www.grunt.com or similar. He likes to
soak in that light and pretend being the big hero.

Nope..."Pretend(ing) to be the big hero" is your schtick, Lennie...

Hi! Len doesn't have his chest puffed out on QRZ.

If I did, I'd be smiling. Still got my teeth firmly attached.
And I brush every day, have regular checkups at my Russian-
born dentist's office in Burbank (Dr. Leonov). :-)

If Stebie got his teeth worked, maybe he'd smile and show them
in one of his many photos-with-uniforms.


Like all those posts where you pretend to have been "somebody" by
having been in a unit that had KIA's a few years earlier...Years that
you weren't even in the service...

Of course, there were people who didn't serve at all in here telling us
what is important.

Tsk. Snarly Stebie doesn't believe in honoring past members
of his unit. Thinks mentioning such is "self-glorification."
Of course, Stebie's sense of "honor" is "different" than other
folks. He probably goes to VA cemetaries every Memorial Day
and spits on those planting the American flags at gravesites.

MARS is doing an okay job for the military. Keeps civilians
occupied through their volunteerism and the military hopes
that will reflect good will towards the military. MARS *was*
good back in the Vietnam War era for phone patches to folks
back home. But...that was THIRTY YEARS AGO! [Vietnam War
ended for the USA in 1975] The U.S. Army even made that direct
statement on the Army's Center for Military History.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...even MORE enlightenment...

Again you cite things that were "THIRTY YEARS AGO", but not what's
happening "TODAY"...

And today, "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi! How things have
changed.

"Today" one can read (via the ARRL) what hams did for MARS of
thirty years ago AS IF it were "today." :-)

The Vietnam War ENDED (for the USA) THIRTY YEARS AGO.

TODAY the military has the DSN to connect into the Internet, world
wide. Where ever a base is even semi-permanently located, they
have DSN nodes to it. When not in use by military traffic it is
free for personal use.

At least two national corporations offer "phone cards" low cost
for Gifts to Servicemen. Pre-paid, those can be used by service
personnel (here or overseas) on any telephone service, private
or military.


Of course you ALSO cite what happened at "ADA" in the 50's as if it
happened yesterday, but then attempt to chide Amateurs for discussing
what happened SIX years ago.

All Jim's postings about amateur radio in WWII cracks me up, too.

Obvious.

Jimmie posts about ham radio in World War TWO? I thought they
were posts about and prior to World War ONE!

Poor Stebie. Best he ever got for military HF comms was as
ASSISTANT NCOIC of a small MARS station. He never worked in
the Big Time of HF military comms.


MARS is a part of SHARES...(SNIP)

Yep.

And that doesn't detract ONE BIT from the TITLE of the
thread...Actually, it ADDS to it.

Actually, I shortened it.

Stebie wanted to be a part of Grecian Firebolt but he couldn't
get his match lit...or speak Greek.


Does the U.S. military need ham-assisted phone patches now?

Is "ham-assisted phone patches" ALL that the Armed Forces expects
from MARS...?!?!

Nope.

And Lennie wouldn't know that, considering his experience level in
MARS and/or Amateur Radio.

Be specific (if you can).

Stebie not know of the AN/FRC-93, a standard radio at MARS
stations of 30 years ago. Tsk, tsk.

Stebie not know of standard small-unit radio AN/PRC-119 that
went operational in U.S. military in 1989...when Stebie was
supposedly still in USMC.


MARS was never designed/implemented/devised to be a PART of
mainstream military communications. It isn't now.

Nope. It wasn't. Who here said it was? I sure didn't.

Right. You just make stoopid assertions, such as "Sorry Hans, MARS
IS Amateur Radio!" because you don't know dink about MARS, your clai=
ms to having been "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa notwithstanding.

Stebie is very, very busy trying to light his match to blaze
hisself in the glory and majesty (his idea) of MARS-manship.
[ASSISTANTS get like that some times...]

All of the above I wrote today has been written by me in here
before. Apparently Stebie is way too selective in what he
looks for on Google searching.

Nope.

What I point out is that you denigrate and deny the services and
achievements of MARS and Amateur Radio services alike.

You denigrate other amateurs. You insult real MARS members with your
stoopid assertions.

Stebie is too full of HATE in here of others that don't care
to kiss his royal (marine-issue) ass. :-)


ChiefMARS has to answer to higher-ups in the "MILITARY" chain of
command.

Duh.

Poor Stebie, took him months to acknowledge the latest Directive
from the Department of Defense actually EXISTS! :-)


[Stebie is now going to compose a "YOU LIE, YOU LIE!" message]

I don't need to yell them out, Lennie. Your mistruths are usually
glaring enough to stand out on their own...

Your are obvious. Obviously wrong about a lot of things.

Stebie NEVER WRRRRONNNNNGGGG. He call all others nastynames
if they say he WRRRRRONNNNNGGGGG.

All the PCTA extras be big "bell ringers" in here. :-)

Maybe they hope to graduate from "Ding Dong School?" :-)


LenStillDoesn'tKnowAthingAbout=ADMARSorAmateurRadi oAnder...@iee=ADe=
..org

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

SteveStillDoesn'tKnowDinkAbout=ADMARSorAmateurRad

Poor Stebie. Still resentful that I've been a professional and
having begun HF radio communications before he was born. Such
HATE he has. Tsk, tsk.

Now he is HATING the military and MARS by not understanding what
they really did as Special Services radio for the troops...30
years ago. Well, he's got all that patriotic bunting of glory
and speechifying he wraps hisself in...his new "uniform." Too
bad he can't show his teeth in those Very Serious Uniform Poses.



[IEEE is a professional association...I am a Life Member]

Hello, Len

LOL, no I didn't save Saipan. I simply made initial contact with Hans who
*was* on Saipan loading a chain link fence, I believe, as the Coast Guard
tower had been blown over. At that point, I was due on watch and 3 other
guys took over at KG6AAY. They were the ones secured from all other duty.
I went to my regular assigned job in crypto.

It was the other guys who maintained communications with Rota and a number
of them got citations from Captain Delaney (our commanding officer).

The only reason that the Navy radiomen didn't make contact is that they
didn't realize that Han's signal was so strong that it was overriding the
local oscillator, thus rendering the SSB signal unreadable. Had they pulled
the antenna and stuck a coat hanger in the antenna jack in the radio, they'd
have had good reception.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




wrote in message
ups.com...
From: bb on Jun 27, 7:39 pm

True. He saved Saipan once and told that story many times. :-)




[IEEE is a professional association...I am a Life Member]

Oh my, yet another version of the "Hans Is A Radio Hero" story.
Down at the Legion, they have at least five or six different
versions of the story, with the best versions being told after several
shot 'n beers are consumed by the grand story teller.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, why do old men never tire of telling
borrrrrrrrrrrrrring embellished war stories?

73,

Sparks



"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, Len

LOL, no I didn't save Saipan. I simply made initial contact with Hans who
*was* on Saipan loading a chain link fence, I believe, as the Coast Guard
tower had been blown over. At that point, I was due on watch and 3 other
guys took over at KG6AAY. They were the ones secured from all other duty.
I went to my regular assigned job in crypto.

It was the other guys who maintained communications with Rota and a number
of them got citations from Captain Delaney (our commanding officer).

The only reason that the Navy radiomen didn't make contact is that they
didn't realize that Han's signal was so strong that it was overriding the
local oscillator, thus rendering the SSB signal unreadable. Had they
pulled
the antenna and stuck a coat hanger in the antenna jack in the radio,
they'd
have had good reception.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




wrote in message
ups.com...
From: bb on Jun 27, 7:39 pm

True. He saved Saipan once and told that story many times. :-)




[IEEE is a professional association...I am a Life Member]

"Sparks" wrote in message
...
Oh my, yet another version of the "Hans Is A Radio Hero" story.
Down at the Legion, they have at least five or six different
versions of the story, with the best versions being told after several
shot 'n beers are consumed by the grand story teller.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, why do old men never tire of telling
borrrrrrrrrrrrrring embellished war stories?

73,

Sparks



Hardly embellished; Hans has his citation.

What, might I gently ask, have you done for this country? One doesn't
progress beyond E-7 by being a bullsh*t artist, you know .... )

Perhaps you'd care to share your expertise in communications.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:
"Sparks" wrote in message
...
Oh my, yet another version of the "Hans Is A Radio Hero" story.
Down at the Legion, they have at least five or six different
versions of the story, with the best versions being told after several
shot 'n beers are consumed by the grand story teller.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, why do old men never tire of telling
borrrrrrrrrrrrrring embellished war stories?

73,

Sparks



Hardly embellished; Hans has his citation.

What, might I gently ask, have you done for this country? One doesn't
progress beyond E-7 by being a bullsh*t artist, you know .... )


Really Most miliatry promotion, indeed most promotions in Government
and private industry is some form of politics.

Bull**** well spun get some people very far indeed Clinton for example.

Perhaps you'd care to share your expertise in communications.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...


Jim Hampton wrote:
"Sparks" wrote in message
...
Oh my, yet another version of the "Hans Is A Radio Hero" story.
Down at the Legion, they have at least five or six different
versions of the story, with the best versions being told after several
shot 'n beers are consumed by the grand story teller.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, why do old men never tire of telling
borrrrrrrrrrrrrring embellished war stories?

73,

Sparks



Hardly embellished; Hans has his citation.

What, might I gently ask, have you done for this country? One doesn't
progress beyond E-7 by being a bullsh*t artist, you know .... )


Really Most miliatry promotion, indeed most promotions in Government
and private industry is some form of politics.

Bull**** well spun get some people very far indeed Clinton for example.

Perhaps you'd care to share your expertise in communications.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


That may figure into it, but I was there and Hans did provide the
communications. Anyone can spin any way they wish, but it won't affect me.
I know. I was there.

Bull**** well spun .... well, I can still QLF faster than a lot of folks can
copy .... )

Not that this is terribly important. I always enjoy hearing the folks with
the naysaying. It cost my former employer fairly big time. Sigh ... you'd
think that they would have understood when I did a project 25 years ago ....
well, I did the thing again and when the plant was going to close, I simply
kept it to myself. No big deal as I developed it on my time on my computer
on my legal software at home )

The problem is that if this situation is repeated many tens of thousands of
times, it could be a possible problem. It may well be; I don't concern
myself with that. I worry about folks that worry about others. To the
selfish, I have no obligation.

You do remind me, however, that I should finish the thing and offer it to a
Japanese outfit for $1.00 since everyone at the former employer wanted to
steal everything from me. Two $25.00 Wegman's certificates for the code I
wrote to generate printer legends? And they put it on the Mexican lines?
And not on the American lines? Code I largely wrote at home?

I did have to laugh, however. One time I showed them how to shave over 1/2
second off cycle times (and improved that by another .7 second with
mechanical adjustments - no increase in mechanical speed) and they went and
tried to apply it to several other machines. They spent tens of thousands -
only to get little or no improvement. I could have told them that, but I
guess the young and anxious can win the arguements.

However, age and treachery will win in the end ))

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride LOL.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

an_old_friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:

Hardly embellished; Hans has his citation.

What, might I gently ask, have you done for this country? One doesn't
progress beyond E-7 by being a bullsh*t artist, you know .... )

Really Most miliatry promotion, indeed most promotions in Government
and private industry is some form of politics.

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
! ! ! ! ! ! !

Spoken like a true gay pagan draftee chemical corps officer, Mark!

Having been promoted six times in the Marines, I can tell you
that, at least for Enlisted personnel in that service, politics has
NOTHING to do with it.

Bull#### well spun get some people very far indeed Clinton for example.

That's because ALL Clinton was was a politician, so WHAT did you
expect?

Perhaps you'd care to share your expertise in communications.

You really ought to go back to 98 and later and read some of
Markie's stuff, Jim! What a HOOT!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:

Hardly embellished; Hans has his citation.

What, might I gently ask, have you done for this country? One doesn't
progress beyond E-7 by being a bullsh*t artist, you know .... )

Really Most miliatry promotion, indeed most promotions in Government
and private industry is some form of politics.

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
! ! ! ! ! ! !

Spoken like a true gay pagan draftee chemical corps officer, Mark!

again with your genitla fixation and your mocking of my relingion as
well your Langage Nazi routinue

Having been promoted six times in the Marines, I can tell you
that, at least for Enlisted personnel in that service, politics has
NOTHING to do with it.

No it shows you were playing the political game without even being
bright enough to know you were doing it

Bull#### well spun get some people very far indeed Clinton for example.

That's because ALL Clinton was was a politician, so WHAT did you
expect?

The results obtained

I try but i'll guess these of Omar Bradley (placed in his mouth in
movie which he took part in making) words are not enough to convince,
"I am afraid being a good soldier doesn't mean a thing. we have to be
politcials, adminatraor you name it"

Perhaps you'd care to share your expertise in communications.

You really ought to go back to 98 and later and read some of
Markie's stuff, Jim! What a HOOT!

GIGO

your point?

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:

Hardly embellished; Hans has his citation.

What, might I gently ask, have you done for this country? One doesn't
progress beyond E-7 by being a bullsh*t artist, you know .... )

Really Most miliatry promotion, indeed most promotions in Government
and private industry is some form of politics.

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
! ! ! ! ! ! !

Spoken like a true gay pagan draftee chemical corps officer, Mark!

Having been promoted six times in the Marines,

Hi! Making that same chevron again and again doesn't count.

I can tell you
that, at least for Enlisted personnel in that service, politics has
NOTHING to do with it.

Above E-7? Up to E-7 you can get by on decent performance and fitness
reports, awards and decs, and TIS/TIG.

But beyond E-7, you need an O-6+ benefactor.

Bull#### well spun get some people very far indeed Clinton for example.

That's because ALL Clinton was was a politician, so WHAT did you
expect?

Perhaps you'd care to share your expertise in communications.

You really ought to go back to 98 and later and read some of
Markie's stuff, Jim! What a HOOT!

Steve, K4YZ

Robber's Son hootiness began on day one and continues to this very day.

wrote:

Stebie is very, very busy trying to light his match to blaze
hisself in the glory and majesty (his idea) of MARS-manship.
[ASSISTANTS get like that some times...]

I can't accept his claims to have been in MARS in any capacity. The
ignorance he has displayed wrt MARS is too vast.