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From: "garigue" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 22:38
First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope that either of you never have to go through that in your lives. Wow. A LECTURE! No lecture the Mr. Len just that I can't see injecting this in to the mix snip Tom, you had a LECTURE going whether you meant it or not. That happens every once in a while when someone feels like they have to proctor morality or preach "good works." In truth, I posted a STRONG response...but that's because I've seen a half century's worth of such LECTURES all about HAVING to "help the young ones" or all about some deaf, blind, dumb quadriplegic person "finally passing their ham test." As if the ham test is some Holy Grail to seek, the ultimate test of one's life? Amateur radio is a HOBBY. De facto if not de jure. [that means "in fact" even though it is not explicitly defined in some law or regulation as such] NO ONE "owes anyone" for something they do when no money has changed hands. If someone feels obligated to another, fine, that's a personal thing to that someone. But, that is NOT in any rules or regulations, and its "requirement" is just inside some folks' heads...besides the Sumner editorial pages in QST. If you or anyone else has TRUE enthusiasm for some hobby, you can PROJECT that to others and share the enthusiasm. If you know more than they do, you can - if you are still enthusiastic and want to share - help them out by increasing their knowledge. Your enthusiasm for something will help you impart such new knowledge to them. Even after over a half century of being involved in radio-electronics, I'm still fascinated by it and am still enthusiastic about learning more...but that does NOT mean that I "MUST" "teach others" or any of that false "good works" stuff for THEM. That's not any sort of "moral obligation" that I "MUST" do in any hobby. Nor for anyone else with their hobby. Hobbies are personal activities done for personal enjoyment and recreation purposes. As to the "service" word in Title 47, C.F.R., if you ask the FCC they will tell you it is "a regulatory term denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated." It does NOT imply some grandiose "national service" at all. Ah, but "the FCC says so" say many, not understanding what the FCC is saying...and then they get all confused when I point out other services such as the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE, the Radio Control Radio SERVICE, the Family Radio SERVICE and so forth. It's in Title 47 in nearly every Part. Now, some folks seem to be tuckered out by all the lifting of THEIR emotional baggage, at the use of "certain words" and "certain phrases." In here lots seem to be carrying very OLD baggage, complete with those stickers from olden times as if they were there (even though they couldn't have) plastered all over that "baggage." Sorry, the boat don't go there no more. Time travel to "happier times" hasn't been invented yet. FCC rules and regulations apply to time NOW and there's lots more citizens of the U. S. of A. who MIGHT be interested in a radio license and have much more modern "baggage" without all those old-time travel stickers on it. Old-timers do NOT "own" the hobby despite what they think and shout and demand. Some folks get a big kick out of being "re-enactors" of every- thing from midieval life to the American Civil War. Fine. If that's what makes them happy, I say "have fun" and go for it. But, trying to ENFORCE such "re-enactment" by keeping hard and fast rules in LAW to freeze an activity in old, outmoded standards and practices goes beyond the reasonable. LAW applies to ALL, not just a bunch of old-timers trying to re-enact a time when most of them did not exist. The future cannot be eliminated by mere legislation holding it static. |
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![]() Tom, you had a LECTURE going whether you meant it or not. That happens every once in a while when someone feels like they have to proctor morality or preach "good works." No not preaching good works Len ...just in some small way trying to make some people think about what they say and using cheap shots with unfortunate situations. A number of years ago I called a radio station and complained about the jocks using a lady and her breast cancer as a "joke". The fellow I talked to brushed me off as if it was an OK thing to do ...... sort of reflective of our society... unfortunately. In truth, I posted a STRONG response.. No problem Len ... ..but that's because I've seen a half century's worth of such LECTURES all about HAVING to "help the young ones" or all about some deaf, blind, dumb quadriplegic person "finally passing their ham test." No Len just an example of courage ..... and my comment was in response to moaning vs something positive ... As if the ham test is some Holy Grail to seek, the ultimate test of one's life? If only my salvation were dependent on that Len ..... lets see the big radio club in the sky .... I'd have to think about that before I would step through the gaits ....sort of like the 72 virgins or so that are promised ....could anyone go through eternity with 72 women on their case .... sounds like the other place ... Amateur radio is a HOBBY. De facto if not de jure. [that means "in fact" even though it is not explicitly defined in some law or regulation as such] Some say yes and some no ...to be honest Len I let that quit bothering me years ago ...it is what it is ... and besides thanks for the translation as I haven't been in a Latin text since 70 or so .... NO ONE "owes anyone" for something they do when no money has changed hands. If someone feels obligated to another, fine, that's a personal thing to that someone. But, that is NOT in any rules or regulations, and its "requirement" is just inside some folks' heads...besides the Sumner editorial pages in QST. I see the personal things to someone all the time ...that makes this veil of tears a little more bearable for all ... If you or anyone else has TRUE enthusiasm for some hobby, you can PROJECT that to others and share the enthusiasm. If you know more than they do, you can - if you are still enthusiastic and want to share - help them out by increasing their knowledge. Your enthusiasm for something will help you impart such new knowledge to them. Even after over a half century of being involved in radio-electronics, I'm still fascinated by it and am still enthusiastic about learning more... Good point Len .... but that does NOT mean that I "MUST" "teach others" or any of that false "good works" stuff for THEM. I'll let that up to someone else to determine if it is false or not .... That's not any sort of "moral obligation" that I "MUST" do in any hobby. Nor for anyone else with their hobby. Hobbies are personal activities done for personal enjoyment and recreation purposes. I think Len, in all fairness, that this is a point that you are missing by not being directly involved with this "hobby". The very essence when all is stripped away is that you need someone to communicate with lest we would all be shortwave listeners .... ergo help the other fellow or at best don't interfere with his enjoyment. As to the "service" word in Title 47, C.F.R., if you ask the FCC they will tell you it is "a regulatory term denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated." It does NOT imply some grandiose "national service" at all. Ah, but "the FCC says so" say many, not understanding what the FCC is saying...and then they get all confused when I point out other services such as the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE, the Radio Control Radio SERVICE, the Family Radio SERVICE and so forth. It's in Title 47 in nearly every Part. Again no problem with description as mentioned before ... Now, some folks seem to be tuckered out by all the lifting of THEIR emotional baggage, at the use of "certain words" and "certain phrases." In here lots seem to be carrying very OLD baggage, complete with those stickers from olden times as if they were there (even though they couldn't have) plastered all over that "baggage." Sorry, the boat don't go there no more. Time travel to "happier times" hasn't been invented yet. Twern't no such place ever .... FCC rules and regulations apply to time NOW and there's lots more citizens of the U. S. of A. who MIGHT be interested in a radio license and have much more modern "baggage" without all those old-time travel stickers on it. I would have to agree especially with the MIGHT part .... Old-timers do NOT "own" the hobby despite what they think and shout and demand. Na Len ....not an owner just a renter on the spectrum of life .... Some folks get a big kick out of being "re-enactors" of every- thing from midieval life to the American Civil War. Fine. If that's what makes them happy, I say "have fun" and go for it. But, trying to ENFORCE such "re-enactment" by keeping hard and fast rules in LAW to freeze an activity in old, outmoded standards and practices goes beyond the reasonable. Resonable ...I guess that is dependent on whose ox is being tested for what ..... for now it is regs that exist ....as I have said before I will not rent my clothes and pour ash on my head when 5 WPM goes .... there are a lot better things to do ... LAW applies to ALL, not just a bunch of old-timers trying to re-enact a time when most of them did not exist. The future cannot be eliminated by mere legislation holding it static. Take care Len .... Tom KI3R In the world of toil and sin ..... your head grows bare but not your chin ... Burma Shave |
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![]() garigue wrote: In the world of toil and sin ..... your head grows bare but not your chin ... Burma Shave Ben met Anna Made a hit Neglected beard Ben-Anna split He used a match To check gas tank That's why they call him, Skinless Frank Said Juliet To Romeo If you won't shave Go homeo.. Speed was high Curve was sharp White robe, halo Wings and harp Trains don't wander All over the map 'Cause no one sits On the engineer's lap He had the ring He had the flat She felt his chin And that was that Stop at crossings If you'd be spared Trains don't whistle Because they're scared 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... garigue wrote: In the world of toil and sin ..... your head grows bare but not your chin ... Burma Shave Ben met Anna Made a hit Neglected beard Ben-Anna split He used a match To check gas tank That's why they call him, Skinless Frank Said Juliet To Romeo If you won't shave Go homeo.. Speed was high Curve was sharp White robe, halo Wings and harp Trains don't wander All over the map 'Cause no one sits On the engineer's lap He had the ring He had the flat She felt his chin And that was that Stop at crossings If you'd be spared Trains don't whistle Because they're scared 73 de Jim, N2EY I knew it ...I knew it ....that would bring some out of the wood work ...... Good ones Jim ...now Len can add this to his off topic list ..... They bring back a lot of good memories from the back seat of my dad's 50 Merc .... as a kid that is ..... 73 Jim Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa |
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