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From: on Jun 27, 6:11 pm

Jim Hampton wrote:
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is
not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

It's about both, really.

There we have it from an "insider."


The US delegation to the radio conferences looks to FCC for input,
though. (Not just FCC, of course.) There's a big difference between
what happens if FCC says that 75 is such a mess it isn't worth
defending at the conferences versus the reverse.

WRRRRONNNNNGGGGGGG.

The U.S. delegation to the WRCs IS composed of members from
the FCC, the NTIA, and Department of State. All three. You can
read that on the FCC website or read the Report of the Chairperson
(OF the FCC) on WRC-03.


There's also a lesson in human nature in there, too. When Rudy Giuliani
was elected mayor of NYC, one of his priorities was enforcement of

The POLITICAL newsgroups are on the 2nd floor. Go there and
find some Noo Yawk buddies.


If you look at cell phones, you might get an idea of the extent of the
problem. In developed countries, cell phones have become big business.
In
the U.S., every teenager "needs" one. It takes a lot of cell phone
towers
to provide service, not to mention ever increasing needs of
frequencies.

Right - but those will be VHF/UHF, not HF.

Low end of L-Band, in the microwaves.


Back in 1912, hams had access to "200 meters and down" (note - that did
not mean any ham could use any frequency above 1500 kHz! It meant that
individual hams could apply for, and receive, licenses to use specific
frequencies above 1500. So could anyone else, but the professionals and
experts of the time thought those frequencies were useless for
long-distance communications.

1912 was NINETY THREE YEARS AGO, senior. The "audion" was only
six years old and "electronics professionals" were still trying
to figure out how to make them.

When HF was carved into bands, US hams had lots of room. Before 1929,
40 meters was 7000 to 8000 kHz and 20 meters was 14,000 to 16,000 kHz -
exact harmonics of 80!

Got any more CUT AND PASTE from "200 Meters and Down?"

Anybody in here born BEFORE 1929, senior?


Most of the communications revolution has nothing to do with radio.
It's all about fiber optics.

Really?!? "Nothing to do with radio" yet it is a main subject
of the following trade magazines: "Microwaves and RF," "RF
Design." Not to mention the big Microwave Symposium recently
in Long Beach, CA.

The 100 MILLION plus 2-way RADIO handsets (called "cell phones")
don't have any "fiber" attached to them.

GPS doesn't work by "fiber."

Those hundreds of thousands of public safety, utility, transport
companies, businesses of all sizes, in VHF-UHF aren't communicating
via "fiber."

WLANS are RADIO since they were done to get AWAY from "fiber."

RFID tag interrogators are working in RADIO frequencies in stores
all over the USA and possessions. No "fiber."

Bluetooth devices are short-range two-way RADIOS without "fiber"
and most of those work with fiber-less cell phones.

YOU need more mental fiber in your knowledge diet.



Big business and the Republicans rule.

"What's good for General Bullmoose...."

Next time be careful of who you vote for.

I've always been careful that way...

But the Dems have a way of nominating candidates that too many people
won't vote for. They're well on the way to doing it again with Hillary.
She's the best friend the 'pubs ever had!

Friend of mine once said that if you gave the DNC the job of organizing
a firing squad, they'd put the squad in a circle around the condemned
person.

The POLITICAL newsgroups are up on the other floor. This one
is about AMATEUR RADIO. Go join your "friend" there, okay?






Hello, Len

Amateur radio policy is *devoid* of politics? ROTFLMAO.

The Repooblican party, big business, and frequency allocations have quite a
bit of politics involved, my friend.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

From: "Jim Hampton" on Tues 28 Jun 2005 21:44


wrote in message
oups.com...
From: on Jun 27, 6:11 pm

Jim Hampton wrote:
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

It's about both, really.

There we have it from an "insider."

The US delegation to the radio conferences looks to FCC for input,
though. (Not just FCC, of course.) There's a big difference between
what happens if FCC says that 75 is such a mess it isn't worth
defending at the conferences versus the reverse.

WRRRRONNNNNGGGGGGG.

The U.S. delegation to the WRCs IS composed of members from
the FCC, the NTIA, and Department of State. All three. You can
read that on the FCC website or read the Report of the Chairperson
(OF the FCC) on WRC-03.

Jim Hampton, you didn't see the obvious ERROR committed by
another...or the correction issued on it?

The "U.S. delegation" to the World Radio Conferences IS the FCC
and it IS the NTIA and it IS the Department of State. All three.
Not just the WRCs but the North and South Americas' conferences.

The radio frequency recommendations reached on international
agreement cover 9 KHz on up to 300 GHz. The HF band is a drop in
the bucket compared to all that spectrum.

There's also a lesson in human nature in there, too. When Rudy Giuliani
was elected mayor of NYC, one of his priorities was enforcement of

The POLITICAL newsgroups are on the 2nd floor. Go there and
find some Noo Yawk buddies.

Noo Yawk Sitty ain't the center of the universe.

Its politics don't concern amateur radio one bit.



But the Dems have a way of nominating candidates that too many people
won't vote for. They're well on the way to doing it again with Hillary.
She's the best friend the 'pubs ever had!

Friend of mine once said that if you gave the DNC the job of organizing
a firing squad, they'd put the squad in a circle around the condemned
person.

Ain't that cute...sneak in some PERSONAL POLITICAL idea into
an amateur radio policy group. Fat lot of good that does.

Does Hillary Clinton have a HAM LICENSE? No.

Is the DNC (Democratic National Party) concerned with amateur radio?
No. Neither is the GOP, the Republicans.


Hello, Len

Amateur radio policy is *devoid* of politics? ROTFLMAO.

Do NOT put words in my posts that I didn't write.

Did I say that amateur radio policy is "devoid" of anything
(except some ignorant, biased nonsense of some of its
participants)?

AMERICAN NATIONAL POLITICAL matters do NOT belong in here.

The Repooblican party, big business, and frequency allocations have quite a
bit of politics involved, my friend.

Neither the Republicans nor Democrats matter to/from amateur radio.

"Big business" fairly well GAVE UP on using the HF spectrum except
for some RFID purposes at 13 MHz. "Shortwave broadcasting" is NOT
in the category of "big business."

FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS on an international scale DO NOT INVOLVE
AMERICAN POLITICAL PARTY actions or policies.

Try to learn to differentiate between political parties in the
USA and on the INTERNATIONAL SCENE where HF use is decided...
along with MF, LF, VLF, ELF, VHF, UHf, and microwave bands.

Let me know when Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton get ham
licenses, okay? Not to mention ANY of the FCC Commissioners
(who are all appointees by whoever is in power in the USA).