K=D8HB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they incre=
ased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could l=
earn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY

) writes:
K=D8HB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they incre=
ased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could l=
earn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Well, according to the bulletin, the passing mark is no 70%.

But your're right about the menu. When they restructured back in
1990, some people interpreted it as a coherent number of steps,
with the Basic license at one and and the advanced with code
at the other. But it was (and still is) more of a mix and match
setup. People could pass the Basic and Advanced tests without
needing to pass a code test. Of course, that meant no HF privileges.
Pass a code test, and you got some HF; pass the faster code test
and you got full HF privileges. Code determined whether or not
you could operate at HF.

A few years back, I think it was 2000, they dropped the faster
code test.

Michael VE2BVW

wrote

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

Another way of looking at it is.

1) They've raised the passing score on the written exam to 70%.

2) With that passing score, and a 5WPM Morse exam you gain access to HF.

3) If you pass with a score of 80% or greater, the Morse exam is waived for HF.

73, de Hans, K0HB

wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they inc=
reased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could=
learn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim, are you advocating that 60% be the necessary score?

On 29 Jul 2005 19:25:49 -0700, "b.b." wrote:


wrote:
KØHB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they increased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could learn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim, are you advocating that 60% be the necessary score?

I don't think he is, Brian - Jim was surprised when I mentioned that
the pass mark was only 60% a while back. This has been fixed now - it
has been raised to 70%, effective today!

73, Leo

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:30:40 -0400, Leo wrote:

On 29 Jul 2005 19:25:49 -0700, "b.b." wrote:


wrote:
KØHB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they increased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could learn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim, are you advocating that 60% be the necessary score?

I don't think he is, Brian - Jim was surprised when I mentioned that
the pass mark was only 60% a while back. This has been fixed now - it
has been raised to 70%, effective today!

73, Leo


Does this mean the guys that have the basic qualification now would
have to go back and rewrite to get HF privilege ?

"amateur" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:30:40 -0400, Leo wrote:

On 29 Jul 2005 19:25:49 -0700, "b.b." wrote:


wrote:
KØHB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they
increased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC
could learn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim, are you advocating that 60% be the necessary score?

I don't think he is, Brian - Jim was surprised when I mentioned that
the pass mark was only 60% a while back. This has been fixed now - it
has been raised to 70%, effective today!

73, Leo


Does this mean the guys that have the basic qualification now would
have to go back and rewrite to get HF privilege ?

I believe so. I saw something on that very thing somewhere on the internet
but can't remember where. Or alternatively, they can still take the Morse
test.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"amateur" wrote

Does this mean the guys that have the basic qualification
now would have to go back and rewrite to get HF privilege ?

Not in most cases.

As I read it, you are authorized HF access as of today, without further testing,
if...

1) ...you got your Basic certificate before April 2, 2002.
2) ...if you got your Basic certificate after April 2, 2002 AND at a score
of 80% or higher.
3) ...if you got your Basic certificate after April 2, 2002 at a score lower
than 80% AND pass a 5WPM Morse exam

Perhaps Leo can confirm (or correct) my understanding.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" ) writes:
"amateur" wrote

Does this mean the guys that have the basic qualification
now would have to go back and rewrite to get HF privilege ?

Not in most cases.

As I read it, you are authorized HF access as of today, without further testing,
if...

1) ...you got your Basic certificate before April 2, 2002.
2) ...if you got your Basic certificate after April 2, 2002 AND at a score
of 80% or higher.
3) ...if you got your Basic certificate after April 2, 2002 at a score lower
than 80% AND pass a 5WPM Morse exam

If you have the advanced license, that also gives you HF privileges with this
new change.

The retaking the test is only if someone didn't receive the 80% pass mark but
want HF and fits none of the above four possibilities.

The RAC bulletin reads like only if you were licensed before April 2, 2002
that you automatically get HF privileges. But on reading the Canadian
Gazette entry on this,
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html
it seems less clearcut.

They start off with the bit about before April 2, 2002:
(2) Amateurs certified prior to April 2, 2002 will be allowed to
operate in the HF bands below 30 MHz based on the experience and
knowledge they have acquired over this period of time.

But then further down:
Amateurs holding a Basic Certificate who have been certified for at
least three years will automatically receive authority to operate in
the HF bands. This is based on the rationale that three years of
experience will have allowed the amateur to acquire sufficient
experience to operate proficiently in the HF bands. Amateurs who
received their Basic Certificate within the three year interval prior
to the date of the new standards will be required to prove that they
had attained a mark of at least 80%.

Those two paragraphs don't fully mesh. The first is a hardcoding of
a date, but the second suggests that all one needs is a 3 year waiting
period. I'm not sure which takes control.

Michael VE2BVW

Michael Black wrote:
"K=D8HB" ) writes:
"amateur" wrote

Does this mean the guys that have the basic qualification
now would have to go back and rewrite to get HF privilege ?

Not in most cases.

As I read it, you are authorized HF access as of today, without further=
testing,
if...

1) ...you got your Basic certificate before April 2, 2002.
2) ...if you got your Basic certificate after April 2, 2002 AND at =
a score
of 80% or higher.
3) ...if you got your Basic certificate after April 2, 2002 at a sc=
ore lower
than 80% AND pass a 5WPM Morse exam

If you have the advanced license, that also gives you HF privileges with =
this
new change.

The retaking the test is only if someone didn't receive the 80% pass mark=
but
want HF and fits none of the above four possibilities.

The RAC bulletin reads like only if you were licensed before April 2, 2002
that you automatically get HF privileges. But on reading the Canadian
Gazette entry on this,
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html
it seems less clearcut.

break
They start off with the bit about before April 2, 2002:
(2) Amateurs certified prior to April 2, 2002 will be allowed to
operate in the HF bands below 30 MHz based on the experience and
knowledge they have acquired over this period of time.

But then further down:
Amateurs holding a Basic Certificate who have been certified for at
least three years will automatically receive authority to operate in
the HF bands. This is based on the rationale that three years of
experience will have allowed the amateur to acquire sufficient
experience to operate proficiently in the HF bands. Amateurs who
received their Basic Certificate within the three year interval prior
to the date of the new standards will be required to prove that they
had attained a mark of at least 80%.

Those two paragraphs don't fully mesh. The first is a hardcoding of
a date, but the second suggests that all one needs is a 3 year waiting
period. I'm not sure which takes control.

they mesh okesp if you igamine that when it was written it may have
been intended to be posted earier

A date certain and then a period of time covers the new folks over time
=20
Michael VE2BVW