BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumbass you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

break

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

in point of fact K1MAN's real "crime" is being unpopular sorry to say
that amounts to crime these days


SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumbass you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

Todd N9OGL

Trying to reason with Toad is like talking to a rock.

Dan/W4NTI

"N9OGL" wrote in message
ups.com...
BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question
from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumbass you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumb### you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such
as yourself, as to what they are.

Steve, K4YZ

Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference"
is.

Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to
be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

Nope.

The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.

K1MAN does.

It really is THAT simple.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
N9OGL wrote:
Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference"
is.

Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to
be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason.

not at all obvious many possible explainations exist for complaining
about K1MAN and not about W1AW


Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

Nope.

The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.

K1MAN does.

It really is THAT simple.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

Steve, K4YZ

Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.


You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ:

Well there ya go, ya figured it out!

K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does!

Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter
anymore then they do arrl/W1AW.

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ