From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Wed, Aug 17 2005 3:47 pm

Lots of garbage deleted.........

Tsk, tsk, tsk... :-)


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But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.

Offense? By operating under my legal German callsign of DA2LJ, based on my
just as legal US Callsign, both based on the "Status of Forces" agreement
in place at the time does NOT constitute ANY SORT OF OFFENSE.

Dannie boy, you didn't see the big brouhaha in here on Brian
making a single comment about doing amateur ops from Somalia
and ALL the resident PCTAs in here jumping on his case? All
of those PCTA extras were ready to give Brian a necktie party
for that "offense" which all of them ruled on...

Under my German Amateur Radio License I had FULL Privlidges any German
National had. That included VHF on 2m FM withing the confines of the
Federal Republic of Germany.

So...how do you relate that to the UCMJ that required you to
abide by Army regulations? Remember that you described using
your amateur HT "while standing on a command track." That
indicates you were in the field, on a field exercise for the
United States Army. United States of America. NOT the
Federal Republic of Germany ("west Germany" in 1972).

To whom did you owe the greater loyalty to? Ham radio? The
FRG? Or to the United States of America?


Was this ham HT purchased by yourself or was it given to you
by the U.S. Army?

It was a CIVILIAN RADIO LENNIE, CIVILIAN IS NOT MILITARY, GOT IT
NOW????????

And No the U.S. Army didn't GIVE it to me. It NEVER BELONGED TO the U.S.
Army......GOT THAT NOW LENNIE????

Tsk, tsk...you are getting all upset. Relax. All that is
in question is suspicion of Treason against the United States
of America...it's not like the more important issue of the
retention of the morse code test for amateurs, is it?


I don't know "why," Dannie...that's what MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
("M.I.") might want to know in interests of U.S. national
security. You certainly had OPPORTUNITY. You now display
considerable emotional volatility. I don't know your political
mindset...other than what appears in here as a staunch
conservative.

All of the above can be a COVER. :-)

Cover for what dip****? Having a Amateur Radio QSO from a field location
while in the U.S. Army in Germany?

M.I. would ask that sort of question, not me.

Tell ya what......if you think I did such a comsec violation, call up the
flippin FBI and report me. Do it you piece of crap.

Tsk, tsk, you are getting all UPSET again. Relax.

I might have called the FBI, might not. Actually, I'd call the
Military Intelligence folks first, then maybe U.S. Army JAG.
Notifying the FBI first would be the proper sequence, though,
since my Honorable Army service was over in mid-1960...I'm a
civilian, a citizen of the United States of America.


No reason to Lennie. I was perfectly legal by both German and US Military
rules and regulations.

Colonel Rudolph Abel, KGB, was living in NYC, being "perfectly legal
to outward appearances," posing as an artist who had "ham radio for
a hobby." Only thing was that he was NOT "perfectly legal" after
an investigation. He was arrested, tried, convicted...later exchanged
for U-2 spy plane pilot Francis Gary Powers.

So call the FBI blowhard.

The FBI already knows about Rudolph Abel...it's taught at the
FBI Academy in Quantico, VA.

Nothing else worth commenting on. Think I'll go find something useful to
do, like enjoy my ham radio. Sure beats talking to this moron.

Enjoy your ham radio...but avoid mentioning anything that
might violate the security of the United States of America.

Oh, and destroy any one-time pads you may have lying around.
Such an item is immediately spotted by investigators. Try
not to look too nervous when they come to your door.


FBI CIA

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From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Wed, Aug 17 2005 3:47 pm

Lots of garbage deleted.........

Tsk, tsk, tsk... :-)


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But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.

Offense? By operating under my legal German callsign of DA2LJ, based on
my
just as legal US Callsign, both based on the "Status of Forces" agreement
in place at the time does NOT constitute ANY SORT OF OFFENSE.

Dannie boy, you didn't see the big brouhaha in here on Brian
making a single comment about doing amateur ops from Somalia
and ALL the resident PCTAs in here jumping on his case? All
of those PCTA extras were ready to give Brian a necktie party
for that "offense" which all of them ruled on...


Oh yeah, now I know what your talking about. Well Lennie operation out of a
foreign country does require that countries approval. I had German
approval. So what is your problem?

Under my German Amateur Radio License I had FULL Privlidges any German
National had. That included VHF on 2m FM withing the confines of the
Federal Republic of Germany.

So...how do you relate that to the UCMJ that required you to
abide by Army regulations? Remember that you described using
your amateur HT "while standing on a command track." That
indicates you were in the field, on a field exercise for the
United States Army. United States of America. NOT the
Federal Republic of Germany ("west Germany" in 1972).


Operating a amateur radio does not come under the Uniformed Code of Military
Justice Lennie, it is controlled by the Gernam Post Office to be exact,
under the Status of Forces agreement the US had with Germany at that time.

You are spinning off on a dead end tanget Lennie.

To whom did you owe the greater loyalty to? Ham radio? The
FRG? Or to the United States of America?


My loyalties have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with operating my ham radio
anywhere or anytime.

Again Lennie, its a a dead end and I'm not falling for it.


Was this ham HT purchased by yourself or was it given to you
by the U.S. Army?

It was a CIVILIAN RADIO LENNIE, CIVILIAN IS NOT MILITARY, GOT IT
NOW????????

And No the U.S. Army didn't GIVE it to me. It NEVER BELONGED TO the U.S.
Army......GOT THAT NOW LENNIE????

Tsk, tsk...you are getting all upset. Relax. All that is
in question is suspicion of Treason against the United States
of America...it's not like the more important issue of the
retention of the morse code test for amateurs, is it?

Damn....he FINALLY got around to bring Morse Code testing into the
arguement. You are like a open book Lennie.


I don't know "why," Dannie...that's what MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
("M.I.") might want to know in interests of U.S. national
security. You certainly had OPPORTUNITY. You now display
considerable emotional volatility. I don't know your political
mindset...other than what appears in here as a staunch
conservative.

All of the above can be a COVER. :-)

Cover for what dip****? Having a Amateur Radio QSO from a field location
while in the U.S. Army in Germany?

M.I. would ask that sort of question, not me.

Tell ya what......if you think I did such a comsec violation, call up the
flippin FBI and report me. Do it you piece of crap.

Tsk, tsk, you are getting all UPSET again. Relax.

I might have called the FBI, might not. Actually, I'd call the
Military Intelligence folks first, then maybe U.S. Army JAG.
Notifying the FBI first would be the proper sequence, though,
since my Honorable Army service was over in mid-1960...I'm a
civilian, a citizen of the United States of America.


No reason to Lennie. I was perfectly legal by both German and US
Military
rules and regulations.

Colonel Rudolph Abel, KGB, was living in NYC, being "perfectly legal
to outward appearances," posing as an artist who had "ham radio for
a hobby." Only thing was that he was NOT "perfectly legal" after
an investigation. He was arrested, tried, convicted...later exchanged
for U-2 spy plane pilot Francis Gary Powers.

So call the FBI blowhard.

The FBI already knows about Rudolph Abel...it's taught at the
FBI Academy in Quantico, VA.

Nothing else worth commenting on. Think I'll go find something useful to
do, like enjoy my ham radio. Sure beats talking to this moron.

Enjoy your ham radio...but avoid mentioning anything that
might violate the security of the United States of America.

Oh, and destroy any one-time pads you may have lying around.
Such an item is immediately spotted by investigators. Try
not to look too nervous when they come to your door.


FBI CIA



Hey Lennie the loser....I'm shaking in my boots. All you were was a broom
pushing tube puller. That once in a while pushed a button or two.

Take your best shot idiot.

Dan/W4NTI

From: Dan/W4NTI on Aug 18, 3:17 pm

wrote in message
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Wed, Aug 17 2005 3:47 pm
wrote in message


But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.

Offense? By operating under my legal German callsign of DA2LJ, based on my
just as legal US Callsign, both based on the "Status of Forces" agreement
in place at the time does NOT constitute ANY SORT OF OFFENSE.

Tsk, tsk, TSK! Every member of the United States military is
subject to the UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE (UCMJ) anywhere
he or she is. The UCMJ OVERRIDES every other civil law
as long as they are IN the U.S. military.

That applied to YOU. That applied to Brian when he was in
active duty. That even applied to me long ago.


Dannie boy, you didn't see the big brouhaha in here on Brian
making a single comment about doing amateur ops from Somalia
and ALL the resident PCTAs in here jumping on his case? All
of those PCTA extras were ready to give Brian a necktie party
for that "offense" which all of them ruled on...

Oh yeah, now I know what your talking about. Well Lennie operation out of a
foreign country does require that countries approval. I had German
approval. So what is your problem?

The ONLY problem is the PCTA extra Double Standard. All you PCTA
doublers want to rag on NCTAs for some imaginary "offense" but
when confronted with the SAME THING applying to one of YOU, it
is un-glue time and y'all pull a hissy-fit.

Under my German Amateur Radio License I had FULL Privlidges any German
National had. That included VHF on 2m FM withing the confines of the
Federal Republic of Germany.

So...how do you relate that to the UCMJ that required you to
abide by Army regulations? Remember that you described using
your amateur HT "while standing on a command track." That
indicates you were in the field, on a field exercise for the
United States Army. United States of America. NOT the
Federal Republic of Germany ("west Germany" in 1972).

Operating a amateur radio does not come under the Uniformed Code of Military
Justice Lennie, it is controlled by the Gernam Post Office to be exact,
under the Status of Forces agreement the US had with Germany at that time.

Sweetums, it doan matter when it comes to COMMUNICATING
anything to M.I. and the JAG. COMMUNICATIONS by any means
of sensitive/classified military information is an offense
under the UCMJ.

You are spinning off on a dead end tanget Lennie.

Not at all. When IN the U.S. military, all are under the
UCMJ first...everything else is secondary.

To whom did you owe the greater loyalty to? Ham radio? The
FRG? Or to the United States of America?

My loyalties have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with operating my ham radio
anywhere or anytime.

So, as long as you are operating your ham radio, you HAVE
NO LOYALTY to anyone? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Again Lennie, its a a dead end and I'm not falling for it.

No. The UCMJ is NOT a "dead end." It applied just before
my Army service time began in 1952...it applied 20 years
later when you were in your shack-onna-track...it applies
TODAY to EVERY member of the United States military.


Hey Lennie the loser....I'm shaking in my boots.

Call the VA's nearest medical facility to ease that
trembling, Dan Disabled. They will fix you up.

All you were was a broom pushing tube puller. That once
in a while pushed a button or two.

Now, now, you are getting all ANGRY again. I was a
"soldier first, signalman second." We were all reminded
of that often...along with a yearly reading of the UCMJ
(true).

Operations and Maintenance Supervisors of Microwave
Radio Relay Systems facilities (MOS 281.6, the "0.6"
denoting the supervisor part, E-5 or higher) did
MORE than "push brooms and pull tubes." :-)

On the real side, none of us were too proud to
refrain from such routine tasks when there was a
need. Yes, we all "pulled tubes" on those 9
microwave radio relay terminals...they had over
250 vacuum tubes in each one and those didn't last
forever.

There was NO "Fulda Gap" in Japan or Korea. Jimmie
Noserve could have told you that; he is a renowned
military expert for having read so much about it.
Brain Kellie might have told you, too, but he is
having some personal problems right now on spelling
of others' names.

Take your best shot idiot.

Not necessary. I qualified Expert on personal small
arms shooting but I won't have to shoot anything.
You've already shot yourself in the foot more than
once. "No loyalty owed to anyone anywhere!" Tsk,
tsk, tsk.

non loy

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More boredom...

"Nomen Woger" wrote in message
...

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More boredom...


I think Lennie missed his calling. He would have been a great speach
writter for Ted Kennedy.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote:
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Mon, Aug 15 2005 4:53 pm

Because YOU didn't see it. Because YOU
have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO other than what you conjure up in your
distorted mind?

Take a trank, Dannie Disabled, settle down.

"Dannie Disabled"

Sure am glad that LENNIE doesn't participate in those "personal
ATTACKS" that he suggested to anothr person in another thread that
"others" make...!!!!

I realize that YOU think ham radio is super-secret stuff which
can't be revealed to the outside world, but that is NOT so.
But, you are totally confusing ARMY communications with your
ham hobby activies and that is NOT good for the U.S. Army.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh...actually, I believe it is YOU who have gotten your
1950's era rear-area radio mechanic days confused with what you THINK
Amateur Radio is.

Huge Snippage

Being close to "unfriendly territory" was not a problem at all. You NOT
BEING a ham of course, would not comprehend these things.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was NEVER in Bavaria in the 1970s. But, I was
IN the U.S. Army in the 1950s and as a civilian engineer working
for civilian contractors engaged in Department of Defense contract
work from the late 1950s on through to 1989.

Lennie's closest approach to any "unfriendly territory" was
crawling back to the barracks drunk-as-a-skunk and finding himslef in a
benjo ditch.

Dannie Disabled,
I've had a bit MORE investigation by the U.S. government on
SECURITY matters (including background checks for Top Secret
and "Q") for the simple reason that I've been around longer than
you have.

No doubt you've been investigated, Lennie...No doubt...

Don't try this Tuff Guy bull#### with me.

Yeah, Dan...we ALL know who the "Tuff Guy" full of bull#### is in
THIS forum...And Lennie does NOT like being in second on that one!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ:

Personal attacks are catching. If someone pulls a personal attack on you,
you are certainly tempted to return it.

However, when studying what advantages a person pulling personal attacks
receives--loss of respect, loss of credibility, loss of self-respect, loss
of anyone taking them seriously... some have pulled these "tricks" for
such a long length of time, it is doubtful they have any shred of dignity
left to recover!

One is soon placed back on a more conventional road...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:51:31 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


wrote:
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Mon, Aug 15 2005 4:53 pm

Because YOU didn't see it. Because YOU
have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO other than what you conjure up in your
distorted mind?

Take a trank, Dannie Disabled, settle down.

"Dannie Disabled"

Sure am glad that LENNIE doesn't participate in those "personal
ATTACKS" that he suggested to anothr person in another thread that
"others" make...!!!!

I realize that YOU think ham radio is super-secret stuff which
can't be revealed to the outside world, but that is NOT so.
But, you are totally confusing ARMY communications with your
ham hobby activies and that is NOT good for the U.S. Army.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh...actually, I believe it is YOU who have gotten your
1950's era rear-area radio mechanic days confused with what you THINK
Amateur Radio is.

Huge Snippage

Being close to "unfriendly territory" was not a problem at all. You NOT
BEING a ham of course, would not comprehend these things.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was NEVER in Bavaria in the 1970s. But, I was
IN the U.S. Army in the 1950s and as a civilian engineer working
for civilian contractors engaged in Department of Defense contract
work from the late 1950s on through to 1989.

Lennie's closest approach to any "unfriendly territory" was
crawling back to the barracks drunk-as-a-skunk and finding himslef in a
benjo ditch.

Dannie Disabled,
I've had a bit MORE investigation by the U.S. government on
SECURITY matters (including background checks for Top Secret
and "Q") for the simple reason that I've been around longer than
you have.

No doubt you've been investigated, Lennie...No doubt...

Don't try this Tuff Guy bull#### with me.

Yeah, Dan...we ALL know who the "Tuff Guy" full of bull#### is in
THIS forum...And Lennie does NOT like being in second on that one!

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: Dan/W4NTI on Aug 18, 3:17 pm

wrote in message
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Wed, Aug 17 2005 3:47 pm
wrote in message


But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.

Regardless of who Dan Jeswald is, I operated legally. I had the
permission of my commanding officer.

David Heil/K8MN, worlds greatest DXer, claimed that a commanding
officer cannot give those priveleges. I proved him wrong with a quote
from the ARRL website.

Needless to say, I'm ALWAYS wary of the expertise of Extra's. They
just get it wrong so much of the time.

"K4YZ" wrote in message
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wrote:
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Mon, Aug 15 2005 4:53 pm

Because YOU didn't see it. Because YOU
have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO other than what you conjure up in
your
distorted mind?

Take a trank, Dannie Disabled, settle down.

"Dannie Disabled"

Sure am glad that LENNIE doesn't participate in those "personal
ATTACKS" that he suggested to anothr person in another thread that
"others" make...!!!!

I realize that YOU think ham radio is super-secret stuff which
can't be revealed to the outside world, but that is NOT so.
But, you are totally confusing ARMY communications with your
ham hobby activies and that is NOT good for the U.S. Army.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh...actually, I believe it is YOU who have gotten your
1950's era rear-area radio mechanic days confused with what you THINK
Amateur Radio is.

Huge Snippage

Being close to "unfriendly territory" was not a problem at all. You NOT
BEING a ham of course, would not comprehend these things.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was NEVER in Bavaria in the 1970s. But, I was
IN the U.S. Army in the 1950s and as a civilian engineer working
for civilian contractors engaged in Department of Defense contract
work from the late 1950s on through to 1989.

Lennie's closest approach to any "unfriendly territory" was
crawling back to the barracks drunk-as-a-skunk and finding himslef in a
benjo ditch.

Dannie Disabled,
I've had a bit MORE investigation by the U.S. government on
SECURITY matters (including background checks for Top Secret
and "Q") for the simple reason that I've been around longer than
you have.

No doubt you've been investigated, Lennie...No doubt...

Don't try this Tuff Guy bull#### with me.

Yeah, Dan...we ALL know who the "Tuff Guy" full of bull#### is in
THIS forum...And Lennie does NOT like being in second on that one!

Steve, K4YZ


What amazes me is how he can sit there and make all these unwarranted
assumptions. Example; TS clearance. Does he think he is the only one in
the world that had a TS clearance?

I was a COMMO NCOIC. Does he think I didn't get a Security Clearance?

Yep...he is a PUTZ.

Dan/W4NTI

.... what is amazing is anyone even trying to build a bridge between a
gov't security clearance and a hobby, or imposing yourself on people
with inane chatter about such... well, unless your favorite hobby is
dreaming you are a secret agent with a CW key, and annoying others...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:54:00 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:


"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Mon, Aug 15 2005 4:53 pm

Because YOU didn't see it. Because YOU
have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO other than what you conjure up in
your
distorted mind?

Take a trank, Dannie Disabled, settle down.

"Dannie Disabled"

Sure am glad that LENNIE doesn't participate in those "personal
ATTACKS" that he suggested to anothr person in another thread that
"others" make...!!!!

I realize that YOU think ham radio is super-secret stuff which
can't be revealed to the outside world, but that is NOT so.
But, you are totally confusing ARMY communications with your
ham hobby activies and that is NOT good for the U.S. Army.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh...actually, I believe it is YOU who have gotten your
1950's era rear-area radio mechanic days confused with what you THINK
Amateur Radio is.

Huge Snippage

Being close to "unfriendly territory" was not a problem at all. You NOT
BEING a ham of course, would not comprehend these things.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was NEVER in Bavaria in the 1970s. But, I was
IN the U.S. Army in the 1950s and as a civilian engineer working
for civilian contractors engaged in Department of Defense contract
work from the late 1950s on through to 1989.

Lennie's closest approach to any "unfriendly territory" was
crawling back to the barracks drunk-as-a-skunk and finding himslef in a
benjo ditch.

Dannie Disabled,
I've had a bit MORE investigation by the U.S. government on
SECURITY matters (including background checks for Top Secret
and "Q") for the simple reason that I've been around longer than
you have.

No doubt you've been investigated, Lennie...No doubt...

Don't try this Tuff Guy bull#### with me.

Yeah, Dan...we ALL know who the "Tuff Guy" full of bull#### is in
THIS forum...And Lennie does NOT like being in second on that one!

Steve, K4YZ


What amazes me is how he can sit there and make all these unwarranted
assumptions. Example; TS clearance. Does he think he is the only one in
the world that had a TS clearance?

I was a COMMO NCOIC. Does he think I didn't get a Security Clearance?

Yep...he is a PUTZ.

Dan/W4NTI