From: John Smith on Aug 21, 2:17 pm

... what is amazing is anyone even trying to build a bridge between a
gov't security clearance and a hobby, or imposing yourself on people
with inane chatter about such... well, unless your favorite hobby is
dreaming you are a secret agent with a CW key, and annoying others...

...or a heroic cold warrior keeping the commies contained in
the Fulda Gap! :-)

John, you should have been here around 1997 or so and the
(unidentified) "reserve colonel" telling us all about how
"his son was 'behind the lines' in Iraq" during the First
Gulf War, "sending intelligence reports by morse code!"

In 1990-1991. NO military occupation specialties called for
radio ops with morsemanship skill training then. Besides,
the U.S. Army had the AN/PSC-3 that handled TEXT at 1200
BPS on the military aviation band of 225 to 400 MHz...with
capability to bounce off relay sats or to orbiting Joint
Stars aircraft for relay. Three antennas with that set, two
of them directional to avoid unfriendly DF on the position.
PSC-3 went obsolete soon after and the current model is PSC-7.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:54:00 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I was a COMMO NCOIC. Does he think I didn't get a Security Clearance?

Irrelevant. Thirty-one Charlies probably get the lowest level
now as they did for us back a half century ago...CONFIDENTIAL.

BFD. It's all paperwork, name and Confidential form goes
through a few agencies, is checked against computer listings
and that's that. Fail the Confidential check and it's OUT
of that MOS school into something else. The Uniform Code of
Military Justice rules all military.

Standard three levels, least sensitive to most sensitive, is:
Confidential, Secret, Top Secret. [the forms get longer, the
more sensitive the clearance...the FBI gets the fun task of
having to interview friends and family and neighbors for a
"Top"...which they grudgingly do] I've had them all. shrug
No big deal.

The FCC specifically FORBIDS ANY communication "intended to
obscure he meaning" in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R.

Dannie has now become fascinated with my "Putz." We'll have
to wait and see what he do about dat. [strange stuff!]

put zen

wrote:
wrote:
From: Dan/W4NTI on Aug 18, 3:17 pm

wrote in message
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Wed, Aug 17 2005 3:47 pm
wrote in message


But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.

Regardless of who Dan Jeswald is, I operated legally. I had the
permission of my commanding officer.

You operated with the tacit approval of your "commanding officer".
Since you were only an enlisted guy, it might have gotten the pressure
off of you and onto him/her had the REAL authorites decided to say
something about it.

David Heil/K8MN, worlds greatest DXer, claimed that a commanding
officer cannot give those priveleges. I proved him wrong with a quote
from the ARRL website.

And the ARRL website is not the United Nations telecommunications
authority.

Needless to say, I'm ALWAYS wary of the expertise of Extra's. They
just get it wrong so much of the time.

But not THIS time. Nor any other time that one of your rants has
been involved. YOU just can't get it right. You were, for all intents
and purposes, bootlegging. You got away with it, but it was
bootlegging nonetheless. That's why T5/N0IMD cards are no good for
DXCC purposes.

Steve, K4YZ

Len:

Just about the time these guys have me believing I accidentally stumbled
into rec.radio.amateur.secret.agent, someone says something sane and I
switch back to thinking I am still in rec.radio.amateur.policy--then it
happens all over again...

I really suspect we are in rec.radio.amateur.merry.go.round...

.... but I am afraid one of these guys will one day produce a "secret
decoder ring" from the 1960's (and bestowed upon them from a god in a
cheerio box), then the theme from the x-files will startup in the
background, and I will feel, once again, like the carpet has been pulled
beneath my feet--I hate when that happens! Usually when that happens, I
see a vision of art bell and wayne greene discussing colloidal silver and
burying locomotive piggy-back containers in your back yard to protect you
from "The Big One!"

.... course, once I remove the wool from over my eyes, things do start
looking better ...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:06:14 -0700, LenAnderson wrote:

From: John Smith on Aug 21, 2:17 pm

... what is amazing is anyone even trying to build a bridge between a
gov't security clearance and a hobby, or imposing yourself on people
with inane chatter about such... well, unless your favorite hobby is
dreaming you are a secret agent with a CW key, and annoying others...

...or a heroic cold warrior keeping the commies contained in
the Fulda Gap! :-)

John, you should have been here around 1997 or so and the
(unidentified) "reserve colonel" telling us all about how
"his son was 'behind the lines' in Iraq" during the First
Gulf War, "sending intelligence reports by morse code!"

In 1990-1991. NO military occupation specialties called for
radio ops with morsemanship skill training then. Besides,
the U.S. Army had the AN/PSC-3 that handled TEXT at 1200
BPS on the military aviation band of 225 to 400 MHz...with
capability to bounce off relay sats or to orbiting Joint
Stars aircraft for relay. Three antennas with that set, two
of them directional to avoid unfriendly DF on the position.
PSC-3 went obsolete soon after and the current model is PSC-7.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:54:00 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I was a COMMO NCOIC. Does he think I didn't get a Security Clearance?

Irrelevant. Thirty-one Charlies probably get the lowest level
now as they did for us back a half century ago...CONFIDENTIAL.

BFD. It's all paperwork, name and Confidential form goes
through a few agencies, is checked against computer listings
and that's that. Fail the Confidential check and it's OUT
of that MOS school into something else. The Uniform Code of
Military Justice rules all military.

Standard three levels, least sensitive to most sensitive, is:
Confidential, Secret, Top Secret. [the forms get longer, the
more sensitive the clearance...the FBI gets the fun task of
having to interview friends and family and neighbors for a
"Top"...which they grudgingly do] I've had them all. shrug
No big deal.

The FCC specifically FORBIDS ANY communication "intended to
obscure he meaning" in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R.

Dannie has now become fascinated with my "Putz." We'll have
to wait and see what he do about dat. [strange stuff!]

put zen

From: John Smith on Aug 21, 4:49 pm

Len:

Just about the time these guys have me believing I accidentally stumbled
into rec.radio.amateur.secret.agent?, someone says something sane and I
switch back to thinking I am still in rec.radio.amateur.policy--then it
happens all over again...

I really suspect we are in rec.radio.amateur.merry.go.rou?nd...

Where do you think the producers of "Groundhog Day" got their
plot from? :-)

...at the signpost up ahead...rec.radio.twilight.zone!


... but I am afraid one of these guys will one day produce a "secret
decoder ring" from the 1960's (and bestowed upon them from a god in a
cheerio box), then the theme from the x-files will startup in the
background, and I will feel, once again, like the carpet has been pulled
beneath my feet--I hate when that happens!

It IS disconcerting! :-) But, those are the fantasies of the
Mighty Macho (Mutant?) Morsemen, dreaming under the headphones
and hearing signals that aren't there...

Usually when that happens, I
see a vision of art bell and wayne greene discussing colloidal silver and
burying locomotive piggy-back containers in your back yard to protect you
from "The Big One!"

Understood. However, from a practical point of view, those shipping
containers are quite practical for storage or even working on one's
hobbies. Riverside Convalescent Hospital in North Hollywood has one
for storage, tucked into the back of one parking lot. A Corvette
car restorer uses one to hold his in-work 'Vettes. Being all metal,
they would be excellent for amateur radio "shacks" pumping 2 gallons
into a "shack-top" antenna (big all-metal box is an excellent
ground plane/counterpoise). Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced because
this city carries the most sea freight on this coast and the U/S
(for sea use) containers are abundant. They need large trees and
bushes to hide their gargantuan rectangular shapes; esthetically
they are bad for a neighborhood if left uncovered. [yes, I know
Stockton carries a lot of sea freight also, but it ain't the size
of San Pedro - Long Beach harbor facilities]


... course, once I remove the wool from over my eyes, things do start
looking better ...

Coders are trying to pull STEEL wool over our eyes. Problem is,
they don't realize that their steel wool is all rusty and
unserviceable. They don't realize that the same wooly stuff
has been pulled on THEM by the wonderful olde-tymers of the
League (of Indistinguishable Gentlemen)(with apologies to Sean
Connery).

Excuse me while I get a cold drick from da fridge...it makes
nice code inside aw day log.

old tim

John Smith wrote:
Len:

Just about the time these guys have me believing I accidentally stumbled
into rec.radio.amateur.secret.agent, someone says something sane and I
switch back to thinking I am still in rec.radio.amateur.policy--then it
happens all over again...

I really suspect we are in rec.radio.amateur.merry.go.round...

... but I am afraid one of these guys will one day produce a "secret
decoder ring" from the 1960's (and bestowed upon them from a god in a
cheerio box), then the theme from the x-files will startup in the
background, and I will feel, once again, like the carpet has been pulled
beneath my feet--I hate when that happens! Usually when that happens, I
see a vision of art bell and wayne greene discussing colloidal silver and
burying locomotive piggy-back containers in your back yard to protect you
from "The Big One!"

... course, once I remove the wool from over my eyes, things do start
looking better ...

John

I will now share a medevil Wisdom written by the monks of 6th and 7th
Century English. In their they worte in the English Book of Prayer "
Protect us oh Lord from the Wrath of the Morsemen"

viking theme come up

AOF:

Really, those morsemen aren't all that bad--if only they could lose that
Neanderthal look...

Now that you have shared that though, I can see a resemblance to norwegian
cavemen, must be a racial trait--or perhaps the brass key combined with
slowly-pulsed rf causes some type of physical deformities?

Maybe someday the Oak Ridge Boys will do a song about them, who knows...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:43:18 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


John Smith wrote:
Len:

Just about the time these guys have me believing I accidentally stumbled
into rec.radio.amateur.secret.agent, someone says something sane and I
switch back to thinking I am still in rec.radio.amateur.policy--then it
happens all over again...

I really suspect we are in rec.radio.amateur.merry.go.round...

... but I am afraid one of these guys will one day produce a "secret
decoder ring" from the 1960's (and bestowed upon them from a god in a
cheerio box), then the theme from the x-files will startup in the
background, and I will feel, once again, like the carpet has been pulled
beneath my feet--I hate when that happens! Usually when that happens, I
see a vision of art bell and wayne greene discussing colloidal silver and
burying locomotive piggy-back containers in your back yard to protect you
from "The Big One!"

... course, once I remove the wool from over my eyes, things do start
looking better ...

John

I will now share a medevil Wisdom written by the monks of 6th and 7th
Century English. In their they worte in the English Book of Prayer "
Protect us oh Lord from the Wrath of the Morsemen"

viking theme come up